The North American Star League is looking for one more Protoss to fill its NASL Season 3 Roster! Due to choosing to no longer compete in StarCraft II professionally, iNkA has withdrawn from the league, leaving a vacancy. His replacement from Aiur is now up to the fans!
Reviewing the top placing Protoss from NASL Season 1, NASL Season 2, and the NASL Season 3 Qualifiers, there are a few options available to fill the void. The current options for filling this last spot in the league are:
With these Protoss in mind, NASL asks its fans to vote on the NASL FaceBook page to choose the next Protoss invited to fill the last spot in the league. The results at the end of the day on Friday will determine who NASL invites into the league next to fill the spot.
I'm voting for Naniwa, but would he even be a good sport about it? Scheduling is likely going to frustrate him to no end, and prevent him from playing his best.
I really think Socke derserves it. He is likely one of the best european protoss player, taking out a bunch of Koreans at MLG and performing really well recently.
He derserves it way more than people like incontrol (no offense) who just don't put up the results that would prove that he is a serious contender in his groups.
Obvious vote is MC, but I'm kinda rooting for nani. I guess my real question is, why was inka in S3 at all with all these players missing? B/C of the 'no korean' S2 debacle?
Edit: Wasn't nani upset about the S1 organization? He didn't like playing out of his timezone, etc? I may be remembering a different tourney, but I thought he promised not to come back. Changed his mind? I don't want to waste a vote on him if he won't come back -
I think this place has to be taken by a protoss who missed it just for 1 round in NASL season 3 qualifiers. So Pomi or Bling. They can play against each other.
How is Naniwa beating MC? Skill wise I guess its arguable that Naniwa can come close to MC(imo he is nowhere near it.) Personality wise Naniwa is nothing compared to MC... just a big whiny baby who will rage and give up games, whereas MC is always giving his all and you really can't find a funnier more outgoing personality in all of Sc2 imo.
This should be a no brainer, but seeing as how many people actually enjoy Idra's hissy fits.... I guess it's save to say Naniwa will win T.T
On April 05 2012 03:14 Necro)Phagist( wrote: How is Naniwa beating MC? Skill wise I guess its arguable that Naniwa can come close to MC(imo he is nowhere near it.) Personality wise Naniwa is nothing compared to MC... just a big whiny baby who will rage and give up games, whereas MC is always giving his all and you really can't find a funnier more outgoing personality in all of Sc2 imo.
This should be a no brainer, but seeing as how many people actually enjoy Idra's hissy fits.... I guess it's save to say Naniwa will win T.T
Voting for MC because he's the only one who actually deserves it. Runners up are the other Koreans. Naniwa is a distant 4th. I understand, but regret, that people would vote for him.
Yes... because he won one PvP it makes him more deserving? MC is the better overall player and is by far the better personality. MC deserves this 100000x more then Naniwa, Nani is already getting shit handed to him with a Code S seed(Which I expect him to fail and drop out of GSL entirely like every other foreigner....)
I think the point is pretty clear that I prefer NaNiwa over MC and I gauge their difference in skill (whether right or wrong) based direct matches between the two.
I think if you'd want to convince me to vote for MC, you'd follow the same distorted train of logic and cite games or series of when MC beat NaNiwa further crippling my point.
I think the point is pretty clear that I prefer NaNiwa over MC and I gauge their difference in skill (whether right or wrong) based direct matches between the two.
I think if you'd want to convince me to vote for MC, you'd follow the same distorted train of logic and cite games or series of when MC beat NaNiwa further crippling my point.
Gauging skill based on one head to head match, in the most volatile, coin flippy matchup? Seems legit and solid logic!
Also Naniwa is only in Code S because of a Seed, and MC is also in Code S(And has won GSL... Twice!) so what is your point?
On April 05 2012 03:14 Necro)Phagist( wrote: How is Naniwa beating MC? Skill wise I guess its arguable that Naniwa can come close to MC(imo he is nowhere near it.) Personality wise Naniwa is nothing compared to MC... just a big whiny baby who will rage and give up games, whereas MC is always giving his all and you really can't find a funnier more outgoing personality in all of Sc2 imo.
This should be a no brainer, but seeing as how many people actually enjoy Idra's hissy fits.... I guess it's save to say Naniwa will win T.T
NaNiwa is a foreigner.
Why should naniwa being a foreigner be an advantage? Vote for the better player to give better games, and that would be MC. I hate this separation of 'foreigners' and 'koreans', it's like cheering for white basketball players because they're the minority in basketball.. lol
I think the point is pretty clear that I prefer NaNiwa over MC and I gauge their difference in skill (whether right or wrong) based direct matches between the two.
I think if you'd want to convince me to vote for MC, you'd follow the same distorted train of logic and cite games or series of when MC beat NaNiwa further crippling my point.
Gauging skill based on one head to head match, in the most volatile, coin flippy matchup? Seems legit and solid logic!
Also Naniwa is only in Code S because of a Seed, and MC is also in Code S(And has won GSL... Twice!) so what is your point?
to be fair MC is only in Code S because of a seed also
MC's past NASL performance is the best of all the options here, he has the best overall tournament record, and he has the most fan-friendly ceremonies and personality.
MC should've just been picked without a Facebook poll.
I say Bling, he is a solid protoss and won't suffer from KR to NA lag. Though, in the off chance MC does well I would love to see him in Toronto. so tough to choose
I think the point is pretty clear that I prefer NaNiwa over MC and I gauge their difference in skill (whether right or wrong) based direct matches between the two.
I think if you'd want to convince me to vote for MC, you'd follow the same distorted train of logic and cite games or series of when MC beat NaNiwa further crippling my point.
Gauging skill based on one head to head match, in the most volatile, coin flippy matchup? Seems legit and solid logic!
Also Naniwa is only in Code S because of a Seed, and MC is also in Code S(And has won GSL... Twice!) so what is your point?
On April 05 2012 03:50 axellerate wrote: All those votes for incontrol. lol. Thats like saying:
WHICH TERRAN!?
MVP CLOUD MMA GRETORP (275 votes) MARINEKING
Believe it or not, sometimes fans like watching their favorite players, even if they're not Code S level and are better known for having an awesome personality.
On April 05 2012 03:14 Necro)Phagist( wrote: How is Naniwa beating MC? Skill wise I guess its arguable that Naniwa can come close to MC(imo he is nowhere near it.) Personality wise Naniwa is nothing compared to MC... just a big whiny baby who will rage and give up games, whereas MC is always giving his all and you really can't find a funnier more outgoing personality in all of Sc2 imo.
This should be a no brainer, but seeing as how many people actually enjoy Idra's hissy fits.... I guess it's save to say Naniwa will win T.T
NaNiwa is a foreigner.
Why should naniwa being a foreigner be an advantage? Vote for the better player to give better games, and that would be MC. I hate this separation of 'foreigners' and 'koreans', it's like cheering for white basketball players because they're the minority in basketball.. lol
sorry, there's such a thing as being a fan favorite. not to mention as far as "giving better games" that would almost certainly go to naniwa over MC. when i see MC play in tournaments he all-ins in 75% of his games, naniwa is a much more entertaining player to watch.
On April 05 2012 03:14 Necro)Phagist( wrote: How is Naniwa beating MC? Skill wise I guess its arguable that Naniwa can come close to MC(imo he is nowhere near it.) Personality wise Naniwa is nothing compared to MC... just a big whiny baby who will rage and give up games, whereas MC is always giving his all and you really can't find a funnier more outgoing personality in all of Sc2 imo.
This should be a no brainer, but seeing as how many people actually enjoy Idra's hissy fits.... I guess it's save to say Naniwa will win T.T
NaNiwa is a foreigner.
Why should naniwa being a foreigner be an advantage? Vote for the better player to give better games, and that would be MC. I hate this separation of 'foreigners' and 'koreans', it's like cheering for white basketball players because they're the minority in basketball.. lol
That's not weird, I always cheer for a black guy playing hockey.
On April 05 2012 03:50 axellerate wrote: All those votes for incontrol. lol. Thats like saying:
WHICH TERRAN!?
MVP CLOUD MMA GRETORP (275 votes) MARINEKING
Believe it or not, sometimes fans like watching their favorite players, even if they're not Code S level and are better known for having an awesome personality.
Its a starcraft 2 tournament to see who the best player is. lol. Naniwa and MC should be the only two people there. No offense to incontrol.
On April 05 2012 03:50 axellerate wrote: All those votes for incontrol. lol. Thats like saying:
WHICH TERRAN!?
MVP CLOUD MMA GRETORP (275 votes) MARINEKING
Believe it or not, sometimes fans like watching their favorite players, even if they're not Code S level and are better known for having an awesome personality.
Its a starcraft 2 tournament to see who the best player is. lol. Naniwa and MC should be the only two people there. No offense to incontrol.
It's a StarCraft 2 tournament to see who can play the best to those attending. NASL poll is to decide who we want to see playing in the NASL. Not who is the best for the NASL, the best of the NASL is decided by those who are participating, not by those who aren't or who may not be participating.
On April 05 2012 03:50 axellerate wrote: All those votes for incontrol. lol. Thats like saying:
WHICH TERRAN!?
MVP CLOUD MMA GRETORP (275 votes) MARINEKING
Believe it or not, sometimes fans like watching their favorite players, even if they're not Code S level and are better known for having an awesome personality.
Its a starcraft 2 tournament to see who the best player is. lol. Naniwa and MC should be the only two people there. No offense to incontrol.
It's a StarCraft 2 tournament to see who can play the best to those attending. NASL poll is to decide who we want to see playing in the NASL. Not who is the best for the NASL, the best of the NASL is decided by those who are participating, not by those who aren't or who may not be participating.
Its a contest of skill. The most deserving players exclude incontrol. Sorry to break that to you. Past results speak for themselves.
On April 05 2012 03:50 axellerate wrote: All those votes for incontrol. lol. Thats like saying:
WHICH TERRAN!?
MVP CLOUD MMA GRETORP (275 votes) MARINEKING
Believe it or not, sometimes fans like watching their favorite players, even if they're not Code S level and are better known for having an awesome personality.
Its a starcraft 2 tournament to see who the best player is. lol. Naniwa and MC should be the only two people there. No offense to incontrol.
It's a StarCraft 2 tournament to see who can play the best to those attending. NASL poll is to decide who we want to see playing in the NASL. Not who is the best for the NASL, the best of the NASL is decided by those who are participating, not by those who aren't or who may not be participating.
Its a contest of skill. The most deserving players exclude incontrol. Sorry to break that to you. Past results speak for themselves.
If it was based on global past results, then we wouldn't need a poll and that clearly would be a concurrent way to decide who should be allowed entry into a tournament.
Unfortunately, that isn't entirely true and how you personally dicate someone's qualifications is obviously different than others (hence the poll).
I think the point is pretty clear that I prefer NaNiwa over MC and I gauge their difference in skill (whether right or wrong) based direct matches between the two.
I think if you'd want to convince me to vote for MC, you'd follow the same distorted train of logic and cite games or series of when MC beat NaNiwa further crippling my point.
I'm surprised naniwa is allowed to play in NASL or wanted to
last time he was in NASL he pretty much talked down about the tournament, I forgot what he said specifically
But I would have preferred the polls to be somewhere else than on facebook, I don't have a facebook account and everytime I go there I can't do anything without them asking me to connect...
I understand that it's good if nasl page gets some hits though
On April 05 2012 03:14 Necro)Phagist( wrote: How is Naniwa beating MC? Skill wise I guess its arguable that Naniwa can come close to MC(imo he is nowhere near it.) Personality wise Naniwa is nothing compared to MC... just a big whiny baby who will rage and give up games, whereas MC is always giving his all and you really can't find a funnier more outgoing personality in all of Sc2 imo.
This should be a no brainer, but seeing as how many people actually enjoy Idra's hissy fits.... I guess it's save to say Naniwa will win T.T
NaNiwa is a foreigner.
Why should naniwa being a foreigner be an advantage? Vote for the better player to give better games, and that would be MC. I hate this separation of 'foreigners' and 'koreans', it's like cheering for white basketball players because they're the minority in basketball.. lol
sorry, there's such a thing as being a fan favorite. not to mention as far as "giving better games" that would almost certainly go to naniwa over MC. when i see MC play in tournaments he all-ins in 75% of his games, naniwa is a much more entertaining player to watch.
Well, I don't know what to say to that... fair enough, I guess? The only thing I see Naniwa having going for him is being a foreigner. I can't understand how anyone can prefer his play - the comment about MC all-ining 75% of games when compared to Naniwa is just laughable - or his personality.
On April 05 2012 03:50 axellerate wrote: All those votes for incontrol. lol. Thats like saying:
WHICH TERRAN!?
MVP CLOUD MMA GRETORP (275 votes) MARINEKING
Believe it or not, sometimes fans like watching their favorite players, even if they're not Code S level and are better known for having an awesome personality.
And you are in a position to judge the players personalitys without ever meeting them? I don't think so.
On April 05 2012 03:50 axellerate wrote: All those votes for incontrol. lol. Thats like saying:
WHICH TERRAN!?
MVP CLOUD MMA GRETORP (275 votes) MARINEKING
Believe it or not, sometimes fans like watching their favorite players, even if they're not Code S level and are better known for having an awesome personality.
And you are in a position to judge the players personalitys without ever meeting them? I don't think so.
Doesn't prevent them from trying and basing decisions on that attempt.
Picked Naniwa, simply because he is capable of competing with koreans while not being completely unbeatable for most foreigners, MC has allready been in two NASL finals, it gets boring to watch.
On April 05 2012 04:14 drbrown wrote: Picked Naniwa, simply because he is capable of competing with koreans while not being completely unbeatable for most foreigners, MC has allready been in two NASL finals, it gets boring to watch.
On April 05 2012 04:14 drbrown wrote: Picked Naniwa, simply because he is capable of competing with koreans while not being completely unbeatable for most foreigners, MC has allready been in two NASL finals, it gets boring to watch.
You picked naniwa because he's swedish and you're swedish. I can tell by your made up stats about MC and how he is 'boring to watch'. I think it's agreed upon with this community that MC is one of the most exciting players to watch at lan events.
On April 05 2012 03:50 axellerate wrote: All those votes for incontrol. lol. Thats like saying:
WHICH TERRAN!?
MVP CLOUD MMA GRETORP (275 votes) MARINEKING
Believe it or not, sometimes fans like watching their favorite players, even if they're not Code S level and are better known for having an awesome personality.
And you are in a position to judge the players personalitys without ever meeting them? I don't think so.
I've been fortunate enough to meet iNcontroL (as well as most of EG) on several occasions. The man's a fucking baller. I also appreciate everything he does for the community. He fucking works his ass off.
On April 05 2012 03:14 Necro)Phagist( wrote: How is Naniwa beating MC? Skill wise I guess its arguable that Naniwa can come close to MC(imo he is nowhere near it.) Personality wise Naniwa is nothing compared to MC... just a big whiny baby who will rage and give up games, whereas MC is always giving his all and you really can't find a funnier more outgoing personality in all of Sc2 imo.
This should be a no brainer, but seeing as how many people actually enjoy Idra's hissy fits.... I guess it's save to say Naniwa will win T.T
I read that Johan Lucchesi got kicked out of his parent´s home at the age of 17 because he wanted to play WarCraft III professionally instead of going to school.
And he managed to.
If that´s true, he has balls of steel and iron willpower for doing that.
On April 05 2012 03:50 axellerate wrote: All those votes for incontrol. lol. Thats like saying:
WHICH TERRAN!?
MVP CLOUD MMA GRETORP (275 votes) MARINEKING
Believe it or not, sometimes fans like watching their favorite players, even if they're not Code S level and are better known for having an awesome personality.
And you are in a position to judge the players personalitys without ever meeting them? I don't think so.
I've been fortunate enough to meet iNcontroL (as well as most of EG) on several occasions. The man's a fucking baller. I also appreciate everything he does for the community. He fucking works his ass off.
Why do people vote Naniwa? MC is doing better and deserves it much more due to season 1. Squirtle is at second place of, who deserves more.. He has no votes.. Voted MC, obviously and so should you!
On April 05 2012 04:50 iNcontroL wrote: I apologize for my terrible fucking smile in that picture rofl
I owe you another picture sir <3 hope to see you again, soon!
Not a problem ^^
It's funny. I actually made it a point to talk with as many pros as possible when I went to MLG Columbus and Providence last year, and Columbus this year (I think that picture was from last year in Columbus) and you were one of the most personable guys by far.
I think the point is pretty clear that I prefer NaNiwa over MC and I gauge their difference in skill (whether right or wrong) based direct matches between the two.
I think if you'd want to convince me to vote for MC, you'd follow the same distorted train of logic and cite games or series of when MC beat NaNiwa further crippling my point.
Winning a PvP isn't exactly evidence of tremendous skill difference if you ask me, especially when MC's PvT and PvZ are stronger than Naniwa's by far.
Why must the choice be between so many players I like ? God damnit it I don't know whether to vote on who I think is most skilled, whose playstyle I like best or who I think it would be most meaningful for.
NASL really needs to redesign their system to make it harder to stay in the league. It just gets boring seeing some of these weaker players barely staying in the league. People complained about this problem in the GSL and MLG. Everyone seemed to like the change the leagues made and I feel it led to higher levels of play. I propose that they only players who remain are the players who make it to the live event and fill the remaining spots with a qualifer similar to the MLG arena qualifer.
On April 05 2012 05:18 mTwTT1 wrote: lol a fan vote to see who gets into the league.. excellent system
From the tournament organisers' PoV it makes perfect sense - you get the person people want and in doing so drum up hype for the event itself and remind people it's on.
Of course, from an MC fan's PoV it's a horrific system.
On April 05 2012 05:45 Luepert wrote: Voted Naniwa, MC had his chance but pulled out.
Umm, correct me if I'm wrong didn't Naniwa pull out too? He did well enough to be in Season 2 but he wasn't there. And MC only withdrew because all the Korean teams did, don't think he really had much of a choice.
Ugh... I feel like the NASL is already off to a shaky start in my book. I watched most of season 1(which was pretty bad), some the finals of season 2 and here it looks like I'm going to tune out completely for season 3.
They aren't exactly running a tight ship in terms of player skill, but honestly it seems they're just fucking picking and choosing regardless of what the qualification requirements.
Socke finished with a better record that NonY last season, but hold the fucking phone. Socke has to get voted back in but NonY gets a free ride. The NASL is absolutely flippant about maintaining the competitiveness of their league and they seem to have little interest in fairness either.
Love incontrol as a caster and promoter of the game, but there's no way in my mind that he deserves a spot ahead of MC, or most others on the list for that matter
I'm sad that Squirtle has almost no votes Obviously he's not as popular as MC, nani or Incontrol but the guy is extremely skilled and often plays very entertaining games as well. He deserves some more love imo.
We seriously have to choose between players like nani, mc, and bling when garbage players like TT1 and cruncher are already in the tournament? That's just sad.
On April 05 2012 06:34 ShamTao wrote: Wow I can't believe people aren't voting for Squirtle/Ace. They rock socks, too!
Yeah but theres no point in voting for them since it's obviously going to be MC or naniwa. I like them too though. I would vote for them before naniwa.
On April 05 2012 06:05 Mordiford wrote: Ugh... I feel like the NASL is already off to a shaky start in my book. I watched most of season 1(which was pretty bad), some the finals of season 2 and here it looks like I'm going to tune out completely for season 3.
They aren't exactly running a tight ship in terms of player skill, but honestly it seems they're just fucking picking and choosing regardless of what the qualification requirements.
Socke finished with a better record that NonY last season, but hold the fucking phone. Socke has to get voted back in but NonY gets a free ride. The NASL is absolutely flippant about maintaining the competitiveness of their league and they seem to have little interest in fairness either.
Socke was in Season 2, but he chose not to confirm his participation and he lost his spot. I sent emails throughout December and January that said "please answer and confirm you want to play in Season 3 or you will forfeit your spot."
Socke didn't confirm his participation in Season 3, and lost his spot.
Hahah Naniwa should take it, iNkA was a Quantic Protoss as well, it just fits!
I wished Ace could take it, but he was so far behind when I voted. Guess I gotta help Naniwa win that close victory rather than vote for Ace and still have him hundreds of votes behind...
Normally would probably pick MC but incontrol did put forth so much time and effort into making nasl what it is today that I can't help but vote for him.
Well skillwise it should be either MC or Squirtle. According to fairness it should be the guy, who actually qualified on the legitimate way: Socke.
I would honestly laugh out loud, if either Naniwa (the guy, who badmouthed the same league in his last game in Season I) or Incontrol, who isn´t on the same level as any of the other options, get the spot.
Honestly I believe it would be fairer to have some quick play-off tournament for the spot rather than a popularity contest.
Personally it would have to be MC, based on past results it seems he deserves it the most. My other option would be Naniwa, also based on his good results, but because foreigners make for interesting contests.
On April 05 2012 04:14 drbrown wrote: Picked Naniwa, simply because he is capable of competing with koreans while not being completely unbeatable for most foreigners, MC has allready been in two NASL finals, it gets boring to watch.
You picked naniwa because he's swedish and you're swedish. I can tell by your made up stats about MC and how he is 'boring to watch'. I think it's agreed upon with this community that MC is one of the most exciting players to watch at lan events.
Buddy
I personally dislike Naniwa, but he is the best candidate for a good tournament.
On April 05 2012 06:54 Sphaero wrote: Well skillwise it should be either MC or Squirtle. According to fairness it should be the guy, who actually qualified on the legitimate way: Socke.
I would honestly laugh out loud, if either Naniwa (the guy, who badmouthed the same league in his last game in Season I) or Incontrol, who isn´t on the same level as any of the other options, get the spot.
On April 05 2012 04:14 drbrown wrote: Picked Naniwa, simply because he is capable of competing with koreans while not being completely unbeatable for most foreigners, MC has allready been in two NASL finals, it gets boring to watch.
You picked naniwa because he's swedish and you're swedish. I can tell by your made up stats about MC and how he is 'boring to watch'. I think it's agreed upon with this community that MC is one of the most exciting players to watch at lan events.
Buddy
I personally dislike Naniwa, but he is the best candidate for a good tournament.
Stop making these bullshit assumptions.
He wasnt in the second NASL finals that was Hero I believe. Coindicentally both NASL finals went 1. Puma 2. oGs Protoss 3. Sen
I really wish we decided tournament structure and invites based on who is most skilled, and who is most skilled is what people actually were interested in; not just watching their favorite person, even if someone else is more qualified.
On April 05 2012 09:18 K3Nyy wrote: Wow I would've thought it would be overwhelmingly MC. Surprised Nani is beating him. ><"
MC definitely has my vote though.
Naniwa is white, is it really that surprising?
MC SHOULD get this spot because he has a better NASL record, but Naniwa would be the 2nd choice so if he wins I won't get too upset.
Also, just think about how much MC added to NASL season 1. How can you not want him at the finals again. While Naniwa just complained in his last game.
i did drop out of nasl because of going to korea, i thought it would be a huge issue if i was in korea and played it late at night. but now that im here i can see that i was wrong. There are like one tournament every week ( the esv ) and not much more else to play }} I would love a shot to play in NASL again obviously and give it my all to reach the playoffs!
On April 05 2012 09:27 Naniwa wrote: i did drop out of nasl because of going to korea, i thought it would be a huge issue if i was in korea and played it late at night. but now that im here i can see that i was wrong. There are like one tournament every week ( the esv ) and not much more else to play }} I would love a shot to play in NASL again obviously and give it my all to reach the playoffs!
On April 05 2012 09:27 Naniwa wrote: i did drop out of nasl because of going to korea, i thought it would be a huge issue if i was in korea and played it late at night. but now that im here i can see that i was wrong. There are like one tournament every week ( the esv ) and not much more else to play }} I would love a shot to play in NASL again obviously and give it my all to reach the playoffs!
On April 05 2012 03:11 iNcontroL wrote: Please vote for me! Would love the opportunity for retribution. If not me any of the other players are more than deserving.
PLZ VOTE FOR ME IM BAD, BUT EXTREMELY POPULAR LETS MAKE THAT SHINE!!!
This has to be a mistake. Please explain the situation NASL.tv!
Socke was in Season 2, but he chose not to confirm his participation and he lost his spot. I sent emails throughout December and January that said "please answer and confirm you want to play in Season 3 or you will forfeit your spot."
Socke didn't confirm his participation in Season 3, and lost his spot.
From Xeris on page 7.
Anyway once again, gogo vote for the president!! :D
I feel like both MC or Naniwa have the power to win the entire tournament if they were placed into the bracket, so it doesn't really matter to me. However, as much as I love Naniwa, his play has been always quite one-dimensional, so from a spectator's standpoint, I'd rather see MC enter!
i think mc will win by the number of fans, but to be fair i would say it would be more instresting having another non korean for a non korean so i say socke or naniwa, and since socke kicked out so many koreans on MLG i say Socke
ps: also i not understand the system, why are season 2 playoff players out of the nasl3 ? i want nani AND socke ... the 2 best nonkorean protoss beside huk are need to be in
pps: thats the ONLY problem i have with koreans in nasl, good nonkors are missing, hasu socke nani huk only on protoss side not attending but having koreans like crazymoving in is so ... i dont know i think sad is the word i feel
On April 05 2012 14:40 CoR wrote: i think mc will win by the number of fans, but to be fair i would say it would be more instresting having another non korean for a non korean so i say socke or naniwa, and since socke kicked out so many koreans on MLG i say Socke
ps: also i not understand the system, why are season 2 playoff players out of the nasl3 ? i want nani AND socke ... the 2 best nonkorean protoss beside huk are need to be in
pps: thats the ONLY problem i have with koreans in nasl, good nonkors are missing, hasu socke nani huk only on protoss side not attending but having koreans like crazymoving in is so ... i dont know i think sad is the word i feel
I've explained why Socke isn't in NASL in this thread. He should have been in, but he forfeited his spot.
On April 05 2012 14:40 CoR wrote: i think mc will win by the number of fans, but to be fair i would say it would be more instresting having another non korean for a non korean so i say socke or naniwa, and since socke kicked out so many koreans on MLG i say Socke
ps: also i not understand the system, why are season 2 playoff players out of the nasl3 ? i want nani AND socke ... the 2 best nonkorean protoss beside huk are need to be in
pps: thats the ONLY problem i have with koreans in nasl, good nonkors are missing, hasu socke nani huk only on protoss side not attending but having koreans like crazymoving in is so ... i dont know i think sad is the word i feel
I've explained why Socke isn't in NASL in this thread. He should have been in, but he forfeited his spot.
Hmm, did Socke actually decline the invitation or simply not answer the mail? Because from an outsider perspective, the more logical and practical way to do those things would be the communication via the team managers (in this case Take) rather the players themselves and apparently Socke´s team mates Cloud and Darkforce are in Season III.
While I do really like iNcontroL as a person and I do cheer for him i'm going to be blunt and straight forward. If he wants to start making a comeback into the scene as a player he needs to be more dedicated about practicing (I know I don't see every aspect of his life and don't know exactly how much he practices) from my limited knowledge I see him doing a ton of other things and I just don't see him being dedicated to grinding for hours upon hours to get better. He has some of the best knowledge of the game that I have ever seen in a player but he is just not putting in the time like a Huk, Puma, Hero, Naniwa or these other guys who are having success.
BTW I am not bashing on Geoff I would really like for him to get better and perform better as a player which is the reason I am saying this but I think currently he does not deserve this spot because he doesn't want it bad enough (for a lack of a better phrase) but of course this is all in my opinion.
TLDR Geoff needs to dedicate more time to practice to deserve this spot.
MC has been the best Protoss since the GSL Open era and still is the best Protoss in terms of tournament results. MC also has better NASL past results.
On April 05 2012 16:35 enzym wrote: Damn. I'd love to vote for Socke, but I must resist Facebook.com till the end.
I've resisted for all these years now, not going to give in for this one vote!!!
That being said, I sure hope people dont vote Naniwa, thats really all I ask. I would love to see MC or iNcontrol, but really, just anyone besides Naniwa for me.
On April 05 2012 20:13 CaptainCrush wrote: That being said, I sure hope people dont vote Naniwa, thats really all I ask. I would love to see MC or iNcontrol, but really, just anyone besides Naniwa for me.
On April 05 2012 16:35 enzym wrote: Damn. I'd love to vote for Socke, but I must resist Facebook.com till the end.
I've resisted for all these years now, not going to give in for this one vote!!!
That being said, I sure hope people dont vote Naniwa, thats really all I ask. I would love to see MC or iNcontrol, but really, just anyone besides Naniwa for me.
MC losing narrowly to Naniwa, one vote might swing it
On April 05 2012 21:31 Shiori wrote: It's a bit disappointing that people are voting for foreigners just because they're foreigners.
when it comes to Incontrol I agree with you, but Nani is better than MC...
Yeah I mean Naniwa just beat him in a bo3. That's why they should forget the whole Protoss thing and just invite haypro since he is better than Naniwa, beat him at mlg u know.
On April 05 2012 03:09 masterbreti wrote: I really think Socke derserves it. He is likely one of the best european protoss player, taking out a bunch of Koreans at MLG and performing really well recently.
He derserves it way more than people like incontrol (no offense) who just don't put up the results that would prove that he is a serious contender in his groups.
On April 05 2012 21:31 Shiori wrote: It's a bit disappointing that people are voting for foreigners just because they're foreigners.
when it comes to Incontrol I agree with you, but Nani is better than MC...
I love to watch Naniwa but he is way inferior to MC in terms of skill or results.
Naniwa has shown some positive results in short burst tournaments where preparation plays much less of a factor because you cannot predict your opponents, but in tournaments where players have a lot of time to prepare, such as GSL, his results have been very poor. Compare his GSL record, 0-6 in code A and 0-4 in Blizzard Cup, to MC's not to mention how much better MC did compared to Naniwa in NASL season 1 there is no question that Naniwa is not up to MC's level and the only claim against that is PvP which is widely accepted as being not a true test of a players skill.
However, the thing that interests me the most is that tournaments continue to forgive Naniwa for his past indiscretions, GSL gave his a Code S seed, now NASL is giving him a chance back in despite his unprofessional and disparaging comments after he was eliminated from NASL season 1. It makes sense that tournaments want him to compete because like Idra people either love to see him win or lose, so he will draw eyes, I just wish that players were held more accountable for the actions by tournaments so they would be forced to act more professionally.
On April 05 2012 16:35 enzym wrote: Damn. I'd love to vote for Socke, but I must resist Facebook.com till the end.
I've resisted for all these years now, not going to give in for this one vote!!!
That being said, I sure hope people dont vote Naniwa, thats really all I ask. I would love to see MC or iNcontrol, but really, just anyone besides Naniwa for me.
You're going to be very disappointed... Naniwa is winning right now....
I still don't understand why people want Naniwa over MC...
They both all in a fair amount, MC is just way better at it it... Personality wise Naniwa is a cry baby quitter, MC is hilarious and a showman Overall skill wise MC is obviously superior
Yet because Naniwa is a foreigner people vote for him... how pathetic...
You're going to be very disappointed... Naniwa is winning right now....
I still don't understand why people want Naniwa over MC...
They both all in a fair amount, MC is just way better at it it... Personality wise Naniwa is a cry baby quitter, MC is hilarious and a showman Overall skill wise MC is obviously superior
Yet because Naniwa is a foreigner people vote for him... how pathetic...
I feel as though naniwa is up-and-coming. He's shown a high level of skill in a number of tournaments. Yes, he has had his failures but that's to be expected.
People like storylines. MC is great. Love the guy. He doesn't quite have the same appeal as Naniwa to me...different personality types. MC IS a showman. Naniwa creates shows too...just often in a BM way. People like drama.
Assuming people are voting for him strictly in some sort of reverse-racism...THAT is pathetic.
You're going to be very disappointed... Naniwa is winning right now....
I still don't understand why people want Naniwa over MC...
They both all in a fair amount, MC is just way better at it it... Personality wise Naniwa is a cry baby quitter, MC is hilarious and a showman Overall skill wise MC is obviously superior
Yet because Naniwa is a foreigner people vote for him... how pathetic...
I feel as though naniwa is up-and-coming. He's shown a high level of skill in a number of tournaments. Yes, he has had his failures but that's to be expected.
People like storylines. MC is great. Love the guy. He doesn't quite have the same appeal as Naniwa to me...different personality types. MC IS a showman. Naniwa creates shows too...just often in a BM way. People like drama.
Assuming people are voting for him strictly in some sort of reverse-racism...THAT is pathetic.
The fact that you doubt my assumption, just kind of shows you haven't lurked in many LR threads.... Constantly people saying they don't wanna watch anymore once its only Koreans, saying foreigners need their own tournaments etc. I'm not calling them racists, more fanboys of a non existent team(Team foreigners )
I agree Naniwa is up and coming(I actually don't hate him, just pisses me off he is going to be in this and not MC) but is not anywhere near MC's level at this point in time. And I will never, ever understand why people enjoy bullshit drama...
On April 05 2012 16:35 enzym wrote: Damn. I'd love to vote for Socke, but I must resist Facebook.com till the end.
I've resisted for all these years now, not going to give in for this one vote!!!
That being said, I sure hope people dont vote Naniwa, thats really all I ask. I would love to see MC or iNcontrol, but really, just anyone besides Naniwa for me.
You're going to be very disappointed... Naniwa is winning right now....
I still don't understand why people want Naniwa over MC...
They both all in a fair amount, MC is just way better at it it... Personality wise Naniwa is a cry baby quitter, MC is hilarious and a showman Overall skill wise MC is obviously superior
Yet because Naniwa is a foreigner people vote for him... how pathetic...
different tastes. I find MC more annoying than 'hilarious', and i love Naniwa as the embodiment as a 'first place or bust' competitor. he doesn't want to "show great games" like every other player out there. he wants to win.
On April 05 2012 03:14 Necro)Phagist( wrote: How is Naniwa beating MC? Skill wise I guess its arguable that Naniwa can come close to MC(imo he is nowhere near it.) Personality wise Naniwa is nothing compared to MC... just a big whiny baby who will rage and give up games, whereas MC is always giving his all and you really can't find a funnier more outgoing personality in all of Sc2 imo.
This should be a no brainer, but seeing as how many people actually enjoy Idra's hissy fits.... I guess it's save to say Naniwa will win T.T
NaNiwa is a foreigner.
Why should naniwa being a foreigner be an advantage? Vote for the better player to give better games, and that would be MC. I hate this separation of 'foreigners' and 'koreans', it's like cheering for white basketball players because they're the minority in basketball.. lol
voting for NaNiwa has come with an unexpected perk! I get to read people bitch and moan about NaNiwa beating MC in a senseless poll that shouldn't even be up
I like all the players on that list although some of them hasn't shown any results recently so I don't care who gets the spot really.
On April 05 2012 16:35 enzym wrote: Damn. I'd love to vote for Socke, but I must resist Facebook.com till the end.
I've resisted for all these years now, not going to give in for this one vote!!!
That being said, I sure hope people dont vote Naniwa, thats really all I ask. I would love to see MC or iNcontrol, but really, just anyone besides Naniwa for me.
You're going to be very disappointed... Naniwa is winning right now....
I still don't understand why people want Naniwa over MC...
They both all in a fair amount, MC is just way better at it it... Personality wise Naniwa is a cry baby quitter, MC is hilarious and a showman Overall skill wise MC is obviously superior
Yet because Naniwa is a foreigner people vote for him... how pathetic...
How pathetically close minded. You're like one of these people that can't accept other people's music tastes. Just because we don't agree with you doesn't make bad people, we just support Naniwa as a player as enjoy supporting him.
I still can't decide between Nani and MC for my vote since at this point the winner is going to be one of them. I like both players a lot for various reasons and I have this same indecision on who to cheer for whenever they meet up because I want them both to win
Ok just looked it up and by replacing Inka the winner should be in division 5 with Polt, Targa, Demuslim, Jinro, Puzzle, Morrow and 2 unannounced players. This still doesn't help me decide though since outside of Polt the rest of the group is beatable for both players. MC recently went 2:1 vs Polt but Polt is 6-2 vs MC overall. Polt is currently 1-0 over Naniwa although that was the game most people felt he could have won in blizzcup had he not overcommitted. Either way Polt is the favourite over both especially if given decent time to prepare for them.
I really wish I could find a reason to pick one over the other right now.
Hoping to see InControl win, he's been a huge asset to NASL in the past even if his skill does not sniff that of MC or Naniwa. Naniwa is willing to play but still, season 1 drama still is there. And MC, wasn't his fault he had to back out of S2, but there's still that aspect.
On April 05 2012 16:35 enzym wrote: Damn. I'd love to vote for Socke, but I must resist Facebook.com till the end.
I've resisted for all these years now, not going to give in for this one vote!!!
That being said, I sure hope people dont vote Naniwa, thats really all I ask. I would love to see MC or iNcontrol, but really, just anyone besides Naniwa for me.
You're going to be very disappointed... Naniwa is winning right now....
I still don't understand why people want Naniwa over MC...
They both all in a fair amount, MC is just way better at it it... Personality wise Naniwa is a cry baby quitter, MC is hilarious and a showman Overall skill wise MC is obviously superior
Yet because Naniwa is a foreigner people vote for him... how pathetic...
BlinG, Incontrol, Socke, and Pomi are all also foreigners, and they're not beating MC, which defeats your logic. people could you know, just like Naniwa more than MC?
On April 05 2012 16:35 enzym wrote: Damn. I'd love to vote for Socke, but I must resist Facebook.com till the end.
I've resisted for all these years now, not going to give in for this one vote!!!
That being said, I sure hope people dont vote Naniwa, thats really all I ask. I would love to see MC or iNcontrol, but really, just anyone besides Naniwa for me.
You're going to be very disappointed... Naniwa is winning right now....
I still don't understand why people want Naniwa over MC...
They both all in a fair amount, MC is just way better at it it... Personality wise Naniwa is a cry baby quitter, MC is hilarious and a showman Overall skill wise MC is obviously superior
Yet because Naniwa is a foreigner people vote for him... how pathetic...
different tastes. I find MC more annoying than 'hilarious', and i love Naniwa as the embodiment as a 'first place or bust' competitor. he doesn't want to "show great games" like every other player out there. he wants to win.
And MC doesn't? Not to knock on Naniwa's skill or accomplishments or anything because he's obviously a great player, but in terms who's more likely to take the whole tournament, I would pick MC over Naniwa any day. In the last three months alone, he's won two major tournaments, made ro8 code S and sweeped his Iron Squid group. My votes for MC, even if we're basing this solely on merit.
I don't get this... Naniwa, MC and squirtle are vastly better than A LOT of people in the NASL. Why aren't they just in it? Namely MC. The guys games vs puma went down in sc2 history as some of the best tvps to date. Invite them all...
On April 06 2012 10:57 axellerate wrote: I don't get this... Naniwa, MC and squirtle are vastly better than A LOT of people in the NASL. Why aren't they just in it? Namely MC. The guys games vs puma went down in sc2 history as some of the best tvps to date. Invite them all...
Because some people qualified fair and square, if you want to be completely honest none of them deserve a spot in the NASL over players who barely missed qualification.
EDIT: That being said of course it makes sense for NASL to invite one of these players, they will bring a lot of attention to the league which can only be good. But to invite them all would ruin the integrity of the league.
On April 06 2012 10:57 axellerate wrote: I don't get this... Naniwa, MC and squirtle are vastly better than A LOT of people in the NASL. Why aren't they just in it? Namely MC. The guys games vs puma went down in sc2 history as some of the best tvps to date. Invite them all...
Because some people qualified fair and square, if you want to be completely honest none of them deserve a spot in the NASL over players who barely missed qualification.
EDIT: That being said of course it makes sense for NASL to invite one of these players, they will bring a lot of attention to the league which can only be good. But to invite them all would ruin the integrity of the league.
I'm all for inviting good players into the league.
However, I would have liked to see the invites go out before the qualifiers.
Invite good/popular players and then let anyone try to qualify.
On April 06 2012 01:04 FairForever wrote: Hoping to see InControl win, he's been a huge asset to NASL in the past even if his skill does not sniff that of MC or Naniwa. Naniwa is willing to play but still, season 1 drama still is there. And MC, wasn't his fault he had to back out of S2, but there's still that aspect.
I cannot fathom how ANYONE would vote for Incontrol. I like him on SotG and ITG, but his skill level is terrible. He is not going to add anything to the league in terms of game play. As a caster I would vote for him, but how do you justify voting for him as a player? Do you really want to see him go 0-5 in another group?
People seem to forget that both MC and Naniwa would have been in had they not forfeited their spots after season 1. Can't really blame MC, since every Korean did it, but Naniwa bitched like a little girl publicly and said he wanted nothing to do with NASL.
On April 05 2012 21:31 Shiori wrote: It's a bit disappointing that people are voting for foreigners just because they're foreigners.
when it comes to Incontrol I agree with you, but Nani is better than MC...
Really now?
Naniwa is better than MC imo, Naniwa actually goes for long and standard play opposed to MC who just rides success based off his amazing control and abusive/risky all ins.
On April 07 2012 08:26 compucomp wrote: How did Bling all of a sudden draw a ton of votes?
just saw this on twitter:
johan lucchesi @QuanticNaNi bling getting voted into nasl by totalbiscuits WoW followers? Sigh. this is just stupid. have a tournament or something. 6:33 PM - 6 Apr 12 via web · Details
On April 07 2012 08:26 compucomp wrote: How did Bling all of a sudden draw a ton of votes?
just saw this on twitter:
johan lucchesi @QuanticNaNi bling getting voted into nasl by totalbiscuits WoW followers? Sigh. this is just stupid. have a tournament or something. 6:33 PM - 6 Apr 12 via web · Details
Not sure if trolling or serious ^^ I dislike that nasl shows the voting results, changes the outcome by a ton
There is a skill gap after the first two players... either of them is fine. MC is the boss and I always want to have him. Naniwa is cool in his own way.
Can't we have them both? There are many less-deserving players currently in the tournament than those two
On April 05 2012 21:31 Shiori wrote: It's a bit disappointing that people are voting for foreigners just because they're foreigners.
when it comes to Incontrol I agree with you, but Nani is better than MC...
Really now?
Naniwa is better than MC imo, Naniwa actually goes for long and standard play opposed to MC who just rides success based off his amazing control and abusive/risky all ins.
Don't get why people say this. MCs perfectly capable of playing the macro game.
On April 07 2012 13:15 esaul17 wrote: What did Nani do in season 1?
And congratz MC!
He practically threw his last games in the playoffs to get to the finals against Darkforce, then said in game "Thank god im done with NASL!" or something along those lines. Then he complained publicly about playing conditions, like time, server. Standard Naniwa stuff.
On April 07 2012 13:15 esaul17 wrote: What did Nani do in season 1?
And congratz MC!
He practically threw his last games in the playoffs to get to the finals against Darkforce, then said in game "Thank god im done with NASL!" or something along those lines. Then he complained publicly about playing conditions, like time, server. Standard Naniwa stuff.
Like time?
And what? How did throwing matching help him get to "the finals"? And what finals?
On April 07 2012 13:15 esaul17 wrote: What did Nani do in season 1?
And congratz MC!
He practically threw his last games in the playoffs to get to the finals against Darkforce, then said in game "Thank god im done with NASL!" or something along those lines. Then he complained publicly about playing conditions, like time, server. Standard Naniwa stuff.
Like time?
And what? How did throwing matching help him get to "the finals"? And what finals?
Such as the time he had to play the games.
NASL has playoffs for people who don't directly qualify for the final event. Naniwa threw his game cause he didn't want to play anymore.
On April 05 2012 21:31 Shiori wrote: It's a bit disappointing that people are voting for foreigners just because they're foreigners.
when it comes to Incontrol I agree with you, but Nani is better than MC...
Really now?
Naniwa is better than MC imo, Naniwa actually goes for long and standard play opposed to MC who just rides success based off his amazing control and abusive/risky all ins.
Don't get why people say this. MCs perfectly capable of playing the macro game.
No disrespect to MC, but how often does he opt to go for that kind of play?
On April 07 2012 13:15 esaul17 wrote: What did Nani do in season 1?
And congratz MC!
He practically threw his last games in the playoffs to get to the finals against Darkforce, then said in game "Thank god im done with NASL!" or something along those lines. Then he complained publicly about playing conditions, like time, server. Standard Naniwa stuff.
Like time?
And what? How did throwing matching help him get to "the finals"? And what finals?
Such as the time he had to play the games.
NASL has playoffs for people who don't directly qualify for the final event. Naniwa threw his game cause he didn't want to play anymore.
Oh sorry. I thought you meant he threw the games to help him reach the finals.
That is unfortunate. Nani is my favourite player next to MC. Hopefully he manages to behave better now.
On April 05 2012 21:31 Shiori wrote: It's a bit disappointing that people are voting for foreigners just because they're foreigners.
when it comes to Incontrol I agree with you, but Nani is better than MC...
Really now?
Naniwa is better than MC imo, Naniwa actually goes for long and standard play opposed to MC who just rides success based off his amazing control and abusive/risky all ins.
Don't get why people say this. MCs perfectly capable of playing the macro game.
No disrespect to MC, but how often does he opt to go for that kind of play?
He goes for macro games more often then people give him credit for...
Also a lot of the time he 'all ins' it wasn't a planned from the get go all in, he scouts a weakness like a shark smelling blood in the water and he goes for it.
On April 05 2012 21:31 Shiori wrote: It's a bit disappointing that people are voting for foreigners just because they're foreigners.
when it comes to Incontrol I agree with you, but Nani is better than MC...
Really now?
Naniwa is better than MC imo, Naniwa actually goes for long and standard play opposed to MC who just rides success based off his amazing control and abusive/risky all ins.
Don't get why people say this. MCs perfectly capable of playing the macro game.
No disrespect to MC, but how often does he opt to go for that kind of play?
Most games I've seen of him against Terran these days
On April 05 2012 21:31 Shiori wrote: It's a bit disappointing that people are voting for foreigners just because they're foreigners.
when it comes to Incontrol I agree with you, but Nani is better than MC...
Really now?
Naniwa is better than MC imo, Naniwa actually goes for long and standard play opposed to MC who just rides success based off his amazing control and abusive/risky all ins.
Don't get why people say this. MCs perfectly capable of playing the macro game.
No disrespect to MC, but how often does he opt to go for that kind of play?
All the time maybe? Try watching his games. He almost always goes for a macro game versus terran after standard four gate pressure after his expo. He two bases in PvZ for a long time because, as you can see from recent games, if you try to take a greedy third you'll get hit with 12 minute maxed burrow roaches, so you have to put on pressure. MC has good enough control and timings to end the game with his pressure. He even expands almost every game of PvP I've watched of his recently whereas Naniwa continuously goes for one base pushes, a lot of them colossi-based from what I remember, against protoss opponents. I've probably seen Naniwa two base just as much as I've seen MC too in the other matchups.
On April 07 2012 13:37 MetalSlug wrote: Fuck Protoss ! Add Scarlet xD
Are we really going to have this all over the forum now? Why would Scarlett deserve this spot over MC, Naniwa, or any of the other deserving protoss in this thread? It's just as pathetic seeing people go rabid over her because she is a girl than to see people insult her for her gender. She's a girl, they exist, get over it.