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Roblin
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-12 16:32:27
March 12 2012 08:43 GMT
#1
Hello TL, I thought it was time to check the race distribution of TL, I know it has been done before, and I believe there were predominantly zerg players on TL at that time.

but since then many changes have been made, many players claim to have switched race (I'm referencing switching away from terran since last patch, mainly)

there are people here and there whom claim TL is mostly zerg players, but I believe they reference very old data, and as such I would like to update said data with some more fresh stuff.

I did search for "race distribution" and unless I missed something there should not have been any recent poll made, so I feel this deserves a thread.

so, please vote in the following poll:

Poll: What race is currently your main race?

Zerg (731)
 
31%

Protoss (720)
 
30%

Terran (718)
 
30%

Random (206)
 
9%

2375 total votes

Your vote: What race is currently your main race?

(Vote): Terran
(Vote): Zerg
(Vote): Protoss
(Vote): Random




edit:

someone requested a poll for activity, so I decided to add another 2 polls, both of which were requested by different people.

notice: if you was placed last season but have yet to play your placement match this season, please vote for the league you were in last season. if you were not placed last season, please vote "placement matches"

Poll: What league are you placed in? (1v1)

Master (371)
 
31%

Diamond (322)
 
27%

Platinum (239)
 
20%

Gold (131)
 
11%

Silver (52)
 
4%

placement matches (34)
 
3%

Bronze (30)
 
2%

Grandmaster (27)
 
2%

1206 total votes

Your vote: What league are you placed in? (1v1)

(Vote): Grandmaster
(Vote): Master
(Vote): Diamond
(Vote): Platinum
(Vote): Gold
(Vote): Silver
(Vote): Bronze
(Vote): placement matches



Poll: How often do you play SC2 melee matches?

10-20 games per week (253)
 
24%

less than 5 games per week (240)
 
23%

5-10 games per week (205)
 
20%

20-50 games per week (189)
 
18%

never (66)
 
6%

50-100 games per week (59)
 
6%

100-200 games per week (18)
 
2%

more than 200 games per week (8)
 
1%

1038 total votes

Your vote: How often do you play SC2 melee matches?

(Vote): more than 200 games per week
(Vote): 100-200 games per week
(Vote): 50-100 games per week
(Vote): 20-50 games per week
(Vote): 10-20 games per week
(Vote): 5-10 games per week
(Vote): less than 5 games per week
(Vote): never

I'm better today than I was yesterday!
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3684 Posts
March 12 2012 08:47 GMT
#2
Good idea, should be interesting to see what we'll end up with.
Played protoss since I started and even when protoss had a hard time in pretty much all the matchups (before emp nerf, when mutas started to become popular again) I never thought about switching races, I don' really see the point as you can win any game with any race on any map if you just outplay your opponnent.
I think this will come down to the same distribution as last time though, with mainly zerg/protoss and not that many terrans.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 12 2012 08:49 GMT
#3
What are you going to do with the information knowing TL's race distribution (which will be bias and probably not entirely conclusive given a lot of members aren't signed up/won't vote/might not read the topic)
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Verror
Profile Joined March 2011
261 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-12 08:55:19
March 12 2012 08:52 GMT
#4
Was Terran since I got the game (around gsl season 2) but switched to Random a month or 2 ago, since I'm just playing for fun, and I love playing all 3 races.

Tho I've thought about just race-picking since (as opposed to the stereo-type) I get cheesed 2-3x more often as random as I ever did as terran, not that I mind because most are protoss going either FFE if i spawn zerg, or doing a cannon rush if I spawn T/P, but I thought it was kinda funny. =P

edit:
On March 12 2012 17:49 Torte de Lini wrote:
What are you going to do with the information knowing TL's race distribution (which will be bias and probably not entirely conclusive given a lot of members aren't signed up/won't vote/might not read the topic)


Be interesting to know overall, even though the information could probly be found on a blizz site, the guys who dont vote/dont read/dont care, should be the same demographic percent-wise as the poll.
Roblin
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden948 Posts
March 12 2012 08:56 GMT
#5
On March 12 2012 17:49 Torte de Lini wrote:
What are you going to do with the information knowing TL's race distribution (which will be bias and probably not entirely conclusive given a lot of members aren't signed up/won't vote/might not read the topic)

I plan to do absolutely nothing with it.

the poll doesn't actually check the race distribution of all TL, it checks the race distribution of fairly active members in the SC2 forum.

but it can be referenced by anyone as proof of bias.
for example, lets say someone makes a thread such as this one:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319999

then most likely, the poll will end up biased, but then the question is: how biased? and in what races favor?
crossreferencing this poll might give a clearer answer to those questions.
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ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
March 12 2012 09:01 GMT
#6
I will laugh so hard if protoss is the least represented race.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
March 12 2012 09:03 GMT
#7
I was Terran in BW and a bit of beta, but I was so intrigued by warp tech that I switched to Protoss. Probably not the best idea, but I love my alien buddies ).
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
March 12 2012 09:07 GMT
#8
Played toss in BW and SC2 beta, switched to Zerg around the time just before the reaper was nerfed. My main reason for switching was that I loved the creep mechanic and I desperately wanted more focus on macro.
YourMom
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania565 Posts
March 12 2012 09:09 GMT
#9
Many zergs because IdrA, FruitDealer winning GSL and NesTea winning too.
I'm very good at making carriers.
Roblin
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-12 09:17:51
March 12 2012 09:17 GMT
#10
On March 12 2012 18:01 ceaRshaf wrote:
I will laugh so hard if protoss is the least represented race.

well, so far we don't have enough votes to say anything conclusive, but it looks like you will be laughing.
I'm better today than I was yesterday!
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8578 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-12 09:21:59
March 12 2012 09:19 GMT
#11
First intuiton after playing the campaign and watching pro replays was Terran. I also played human in Wc3. Tried a bit but it did not feel right, not sure why exactly but mmm just felt so stale. Zerg were vastly different from what I experienced from former RTS games and I also did not like the models that much. Then there was the new, shiny and sparkly kid who could warp in anywhere on the map. It was pylon love at the first warp in. Also the fact so many great players chose it for themselve that I used to follow in the Wc3 Scene.(ToD,Sase,HasuObs,Kiwikaki,Naniwa...etc.)
eighteen8
Profile Joined December 2010
105 Posts
March 12 2012 09:28 GMT
#12
TL always was a zerg venue, so it makes no sense comparing the TL distribution with anything else.
Mythal
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Spain108 Posts
March 12 2012 09:33 GMT
#13
Good initiative

I thought there would be more brotoss though.
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noodlesinsoup
Profile Joined October 2010
United States106 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-12 09:35:22
March 12 2012 09:35 GMT
#14
I absolutely love playing zerg in 2v2s and customs, but my main for 1v1 has been Protoss since the beta. I might race switch in HoTS though... who knows!
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France1939 Posts
March 12 2012 09:36 GMT
#15
It's funny that there are so few protoss players on TL but the strategy forum has the most [G]uides written for protoss.
geiko.813 (EU)
Sergio1992
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Italy522 Posts
March 12 2012 09:37 GMT
#16
On March 12 2012 18:36 Geiko wrote:
It's funny that there are so few protoss players on TL but the strategy forum has the most [G]uides written for protoss.

kinda strange :D
chambertin
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1704 Posts
March 12 2012 09:40 GMT
#17
On March 12 2012 18:36 Geiko wrote:
It's funny that there are so few protoss players on TL but the strategy forum has the most [G]uides written for protoss.


Do you think perhaps that is because Toss is the race that is most build order reliant? That is certainly my perspective. Zerg must certainly be more flexible/ As for Terran it seems like there might be too much variety in BO for them to merit simple guides. I'm not sure....
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Polygamy
Profile Joined January 2010
Austria1114 Posts
March 12 2012 09:43 GMT
#18
Random, and no I do not cheese.
StanzA
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada478 Posts
March 12 2012 09:47 GMT
#19
Zerg since release and Zerg in Brood War. I don't think I'll ever change ^^
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idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
March 12 2012 09:50 GMT
#20
On March 12 2012 18:43 Polygamy wrote:
Random, and no I do not cheese.


quite funny i cheese every player that is random on the ladder because i am at a disadvantage vs zerg if i don't go FFE and i am at a disadvantage if i build a 13gate vs someone building a 10gate - so 10gate, 4gate it is. Most of them are also not equally good with all races and therefore it feels often like a waste of time versus randoms.

And yep it is sadly true, most randoms cheese and therefore people like me like to countercheese vs randoms and therefore randoms that didn't cheese in the first place start to counter-counter-cheese.


[x]voted Brotoss
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
March 12 2012 10:09 GMT
#21
I saw a thread like this one back a few month.
It was like, 35% zerg 32% protoss 28 terran%, something close to that. And the majority of TL were Diamond level zerg player actually.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Liveon
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Netherlands1083 Posts
March 12 2012 10:19 GMT
#22
here's a thread from last year: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218655

I play zerg.
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Roblin
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden948 Posts
March 12 2012 10:21 GMT
#23
On March 12 2012 19:09 Noocta wrote:
I saw a thread like this one back a few month.
It was like, 35% zerg 32% protoss 28 terran%, something close to that. And the majority of TL were Diamond level zerg player actually.

well, it seems the toss count have reduced, but otherwise it seems roughly unchanged.

but why has the toss count lowered in the last months?
I'm better today than I was yesterday!
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
March 12 2012 10:29 GMT
#24
On March 12 2012 19:21 Roblin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 19:09 Noocta wrote:
I saw a thread like this one back a few month.
It was like, 35% zerg 32% protoss 28 terran%, something close to that. And the majority of TL were Diamond level zerg player actually.

well, it seems the toss count have reduced, but otherwise it seems roughly unchanged.

but why has the toss count lowered in the last months?


Meh. Don't take the numbers i gave as fast. It was something close. Just a general trend of having more zerg than protoss and more protoss than terran on the site. And the majority of players was Diamond level, which is pretty logical ( highest level of play who is still pretty large : 18% of player afaik )

And you should probably not compare to a poll who has still less than 500 reply lol
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zergtat
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Hong Kong853 Posts
March 12 2012 12:02 GMT
#25
8% main as random, this is kinda unexpected o_O
Zerg player here.
Z: SEn P: White-Ra T: Polt
Chytilova
Profile Joined December 2011
United States790 Posts
March 12 2012 12:34 GMT
#26
On March 12 2012 21:02 zergtat wrote:
8% main as random, this is kinda unexpected o_O
Zerg player here.


Unexpected because you thought it would be less? I main as random. I'm not trying to become the best of the best. I just want to have fun and know all the races.
Eiaco
Profile Joined January 2012
170 Posts
March 12 2012 12:41 GMT
#27
On March 12 2012 21:34 Chytilova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 21:02 zergtat wrote:
8% main as random, this is kinda unexpected o_O
Zerg player here.


Unexpected because you thought it would be less? I main as random. I'm not trying to become the best of the best. I just want to have fun and know all the races.


Random players piss me off because I don't know whether to FFE vs Zerg or 12/13 gate vs P/T. I just cheese them. If you want to play all races, just switch amongst the other 3 without ruining everyone elses time.
EdenPLusDucky
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
571 Posts
March 12 2012 12:57 GMT
#28
There should be what matchup do you racepick poll, since I main terran on ladder but racepick in zvz. I've had a history of good luck with coinflips in my life.
me_viet
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1350 Posts
March 12 2012 12:57 GMT
#29
On March 12 2012 21:41 Eiaco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 21:34 Chytilova wrote:
On March 12 2012 21:02 zergtat wrote:
8% main as random, this is kinda unexpected o_O
Zerg player here.


Unexpected because you thought it would be less? I main as random. I'm not trying to become the best of the best. I just want to have fun and know all the races.


Random players piss me off because I don't know whether to FFE vs Zerg or 12/13 gate vs P/T. I just cheese them. If you want to play all races, just switch amongst the other 3 without ruining everyone elses time.


maybe you should learn to transition from one bo to another instead of qq'ing? If they spent the time to get to the level as you for all 3 races, no reason they shouldn't get that little advantage of you not knowing their race for the first 2 mins.

There's probably a reason why no pros are random... =O
Roblin
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden948 Posts
March 12 2012 13:06 GMT
#30
wow, the polls are way more even than I thought they would be.

32% toss
30% zerg 30% terran
8% random

as of right now
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ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
March 12 2012 13:15 GMT
#31
On March 12 2012 21:41 Eiaco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 21:34 Chytilova wrote:
On March 12 2012 21:02 zergtat wrote:
8% main as random, this is kinda unexpected o_O
Zerg player here.


Unexpected because you thought it would be less? I main as random. I'm not trying to become the best of the best. I just want to have fun and know all the races.


Random players piss me off because I don't know whether to FFE vs Zerg or 12/13 gate vs P/T. I just cheese them. If you want to play all races, just switch amongst the other 3 without ruining everyone elses time.


Nobody asked what you think about Random players, sorry. Let's not turn this into another thread where everybody argues about whether the "Random advantage" is fair or not.

Will be interested to see what this poll looks like once the sample size is a bit bigger but it looks pretty even so far.
MandoRelease
Profile Joined October 2010
France374 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-12 13:22:20
March 12 2012 13:18 GMT
#32
Zerg player from release, always has been, always will be
You'll still have bias in threads, mainly because in a thread dealing with the Protoss state, you'll find mainly Protoss players. Same thing in threads dealing primarily with Zerg or Terran, they'll be more represented posts wise, giving off a false impression that TL is Z-biased or T-biased or whatever.
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Chytilova
Profile Joined December 2011
United States790 Posts
March 12 2012 13:36 GMT
#33
On March 12 2012 21:41 Eiaco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 21:34 Chytilova wrote:
On March 12 2012 21:02 zergtat wrote:
8% main as random, this is kinda unexpected o_O
Zerg player here.


Unexpected because you thought it would be less? I main as random. I'm not trying to become the best of the best. I just want to have fun and know all the races.


Random players piss me off because I don't know whether to FFE vs Zerg or 12/13 gate vs P/T. I just cheese them. If you want to play all races, just switch amongst the other 3 without ruining everyone elses time.


...or I can just tell people my race at the beginning of the game which I try to do every time (admittedly I do forget sometimes though).
CyDe
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1010 Posts
March 12 2012 13:38 GMT
#34
I wonder if there is a thread like this for what league people are in as well... would be interesting. Because TL seems to be either mid-higher leagues or silvers.

Anyway, I play terran, all the way back to beta. I played WarCraft 3 as Orcs, and, because I was terribly noobish, would spam a triple layer of Watch Towers to the entrance of my base, effectively walling if off. I also played Night Elves, a little big better, and enjoyed amassing armies of Archers and those chicks that ride on panthers. So terran was sort of natural for me.

Man I love WarCraft 3, I think I will record some of that. Was such a great game *nostalgia*
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Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
March 12 2012 13:47 GMT
#35
I don't play ladder, but only team ladder games with my bronze/silver rl friends. And when I do this, I play random.

Furthermore, being random makes watching games much more enjoyable cause you are not overwhelmed by this fucking racial bias. I used to play Terran, so it's still a little bit inside of me, but it's getting less and less.

[X] Random
[_] Terran [_] Zerg [_] Protoss [X] Random ------- Fantasy - hyvaa - sOs
vandelayindustries
Profile Joined August 2011
United States290 Posts
March 12 2012 14:11 GMT
#36
Random only. I feel like it gives me a considerable advantage early game in 1v1
DirgeForNovember
Profile Joined September 2011
Romania3 Posts
March 12 2012 14:15 GMT
#37
Zerg here. Former Protoss.
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Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
March 12 2012 14:16 GMT
#38
Interesting, seems super even at the moment!
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
March 12 2012 14:20 GMT
#39
Terran atm, former Protoss, but I'd like to keep playing both races in the future. Glad to see such an even poll. There should be a poll like that more regularly
Chytilova
Profile Joined December 2011
United States790 Posts
March 12 2012 15:09 GMT
#40
On March 12 2012 22:38 CyDe wrote:
I wonder if there is a thread like this for what league people are in as well... would be interesting.


Yeah I actually think this would be the more interesting poll.
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
March 12 2012 15:10 GMT
#41
I just put protoss in the lead!
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44741 Posts
March 12 2012 15:11 GMT
#42
On March 12 2012 17:56 Roblin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 17:49 Torte de Lini wrote:
What are you going to do with the information knowing TL's race distribution (which will be bias and probably not entirely conclusive given a lot of members aren't signed up/won't vote/might not read the topic)

I plan to do absolutely nothing with it.



Awesome thread :D I don't understand the point of it, but I voted.
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Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
March 12 2012 15:16 GMT
#43
Seems oddly ... even! How cool is that!
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K_Dilkington
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden449 Posts
March 12 2012 15:35 GMT
#44
Very even.
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Jaegeru
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom676 Posts
March 12 2012 15:45 GMT
#45
Kind of nice that it's so well distributed :D
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Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
March 12 2012 15:46 GMT
#46
Are people just voting to keep it even like the last GSL finals poll? :<
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LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
March 12 2012 15:47 GMT
#47
Lol it's pretty freakin' even :D
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Shinespark
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile843 Posts
March 12 2012 15:49 GMT
#48
On March 12 2012 17:49 Torte de Lini wrote:
What are you going to do with the information knowing TL's race distribution (which will be bias and probably not entirely conclusive given a lot of members aren't signed up/won't vote/might not read the topic)


Not conclusive, maybe, but biased? It's not like terran players refuse to vote on polls and zerg players always lie...
In other words, it's not going to be biased.
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FryBender
Profile Joined January 2011
United States290 Posts
March 12 2012 15:50 GMT
#49
Wow that is impressive how even it is
Roblin
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden948 Posts
March 12 2012 16:03 GMT
#50
almost 900 votes in and its almost perfectly even!
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Rustug
Profile Joined October 2010
1488 Posts
March 12 2012 16:06 GMT
#51
Voted! Proud to play Terran.. Locked and Loaded!
I like these type of topics every now and then, gives a fun little insight (not everything needs to science! or fact!)
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magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
March 12 2012 16:09 GMT
#52
You should add a poll for how active players are. Player may say they they main a certain race, but only play twice a month.
Roblin
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden948 Posts
March 12 2012 16:34 GMT
#53
On March 13 2012 01:09 magnaflow wrote:
You should add a poll for how active players are. Player may say they they main a certain race, but only play twice a month.


poll added, but there is no real way of isolating activity by race.

but more statistics are better I guess.
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TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
March 12 2012 16:37 GMT
#54
terran 50-100 games a week master league, a suspiciously high percentage of master leagueers though
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SyDe
Profile Joined January 2011
France355 Posts
March 12 2012 17:09 GMT
#55
only 34 votes so far (@what league are you placed in) that's why it's not really clear yet, but I believe the highest percentage will be master, even with more votes.

Zerg ftw !
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Pure-SC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1440 Posts
March 12 2012 17:13 GMT
#56
Surprisingly even so far. Good to see and quite interesting polls.
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sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
March 12 2012 17:18 GMT
#57
intrersting poll
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
gaymon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1023 Posts
March 12 2012 17:25 GMT
#58
On March 13 2012 02:09 SyDe wrote:
only 34 votes so far (@what league are you placed in) that's why it's not really clear yet, but I believe the highest percentage will be master, even with more votes.

Zerg ftw !


If most ppl on here would vote it wouldnt be masters; although this community is kinda advanced masters is still only 2% of the playerbase. The fact, that most people who post here and vote are confident in their ability and therefore we get more masters % than there really are in this community.
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
March 12 2012 17:33 GMT
#59
Not sure how reliable the poll is. TL polls have a strange tendency to end up perfectly even when it's not a landslide victory for either side. I'm pretty sure that there is a large group of people who votes to keep the poll as even as possible. A blind poll would be much better in this case (actually, it's better in pretty much every case as it prevents the preliminary results from biasing later voters).
Such flammable little insects!
Roblin
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden948 Posts
March 12 2012 17:37 GMT
#60
On March 13 2012 02:33 Rannasha wrote:
Not sure how reliable the poll is. TL polls have a strange tendency to end up perfectly even when it's not a landslide victory for either side. I'm pretty sure that there is a large group of people who votes to keep the poll as even as possible. A blind poll would be much better in this case (actually, it's better in pretty much every case as it prevents the preliminary results from biasing later voters).

unfortunately thats an issue I don't know how to deal with, besides, the polls are not perfectly even, so if there issuch a group it is probably not a very big group.

how does one make a blind poll?
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Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-12 17:41:04
March 12 2012 17:39 GMT
#61
Oh interesting poll
Was not sure what to answer for the last question, i only play team games (more then 50 a week) and never 1 vs 1 so kept this question open.

Maybe interesting idea to add a few questions about team games to the poll
maybe sub-devide the last question in team games a week and 1 vs 1 games a week or add a question if you mostly play team games or 1 vs 1
personally i do feel there is a huge part of the sc players base that mostly play team games (maybe even up to 30%+?)though they might not neccesarly visit this forum.
It would be interesting to get some numbers on this
CluEleSs_UK
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom583 Posts
March 12 2012 19:41 GMT
#62
Played Protoss until the start of season 3 (masters league), and decided that Terran suited my strengths better, so switched to it. Played Terran ever since, and for me it's the coolest, greatest race
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4Relic
Profile Joined January 2012
24 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 15:10:42
April 16 2012 14:56 GMT
#63
I played Terran in Brood War, then StarCraft 2 was released.

In season 1 I just couldn't make up my mind in what race to choose, I went through many race switches until I decided Protoss is the most enjoyable. I soon lost interest in StarCraft 2 after all these race changes, I think I made myself lose interest in the game. I played shooters for a while and skipped seasons 2 to 5 and I rediscovered SC again in late season 6, I played Protoss for a couple of games and I felt it just didn't feel right. I needed to either play Zerg or Terran, if I didn't choose a race, I would never stop switching. So I went back to Terran and I hope I stick with it.
SomeONEx
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden641 Posts
April 16 2012 15:14 GMT
#64
Terran hwaiting!!
BW hwaiting!
ActionRing
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)4 Posts
April 16 2012 15:20 GMT
#65
A region(U.S, Europe, etc...) stat would be interesting as well.
Dujek
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom276 Posts
April 16 2012 15:27 GMT
#66
On April 17 2012 00:20 ActionRing wrote:
A region(U.S, Europe, etc...) stat would be interesting as well.


I agree with this.

I'm actually surprised at the number of masters players here.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
April 16 2012 15:31 GMT
#67
On April 17 2012 00:27 Dujek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 00:20 ActionRing wrote:
A region(U.S, Europe, etc...) stat would be interesting as well.


I agree with this.

I'm actually surprised at the number of masters players here.

Are you? I mean, TL is a community made mostly of players who aim to become good at the game.
Alnius
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway29 Posts
April 16 2012 15:35 GMT
#68
No wonder I feel alone, only 3% bronze.
SKYFISH_
Profile Joined April 2011
Bulgaria990 Posts
April 16 2012 15:40 GMT
#69
terran->protoss->random

10-20 games per week

EU diamond league

pp
i get matched against random players once every 30 games maybe.
people who bitch about R players cheesing or whatever are spoiled little shits and their 'excuses' for cheesing are pathetic.
In Soviet Terranistan you rush the Zerg
trwkling
Profile Joined September 2011
658 Posts
April 16 2012 15:42 GMT
#70
cool pool! good to see so many random players out there
used to main terran myself but then i stopped playing for school for a while and when im back everything just changed so much so i started playing random... quite fun! its cool to play different strats and have a good laugh at the weird stuff that happens
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
April 16 2012 15:46 GMT
#71
On April 17 2012 00:40 SKYFISH_ wrote:
terran->protoss->random

10-20 games per week

EU diamond league

pp
i get matched against random players once every 30 games maybe.
people who bitch about R players cheesing or whatever are spoiled little shits and their 'excuses' for cheesing are pathetic.

thing is, 80% of the random people I play on ladder do, in fact, cheese me, half of them blindly
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
April 16 2012 15:54 GMT
#72
That's amazing hwo well distributed that graph is. Wow.
Hubble
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany248 Posts
April 16 2012 16:05 GMT
#73
Zerg, Diamond, less than 5 laddergames/week
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transience
Profile Joined February 2011
Belgium74 Posts
April 16 2012 16:06 GMT
#74
I think it's really striking how few games the average TL'er plays per week.
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.
Insomni7
Profile Joined June 2011
667 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 16:11:05
April 16 2012 16:10 GMT
#75
So apparently the two most common states are TL on masters AND barely ever playing O.o

or are there people lying about their league...
Never Forget.
boppel
Profile Joined March 2012
140 Posts
April 16 2012 16:12 GMT
#76
On April 17 2012 01:10 Insomni7 wrote:
So apparently the two most common states are TL on masters AND barely ever playing O.o

or are there people lying about their league...


TL users obv. no need to play for being godlike in sc2
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
April 16 2012 16:15 GMT
#77
i play underpowered terran
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 16:15:43
April 16 2012 16:15 GMT
#78
33% seems wishful thinking lol, I assume a lot of people who rarely play think they should have the capacity to hit Masters
I think esports is pretty nice.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 16 2012 16:15 GMT
#79
Wow, that's some sick balance...
I thought we would see like 10% Terran after some whiny threads, but we're really standing our grounds :D
A lot of random players, which I can't be happy about but eh...

Terani hwaiting!
Mentalizor
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1596 Posts
April 16 2012 16:16 GMT
#80
dat race poll o.O

For some time I've been thinking master league wasn't as exclusive as it used to be. More and more people get promoted and less and less of the lower-league-players quit. However, I realize TL doesn't translate directly since it's mostly for the most dedicated players/community followers.
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Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
April 16 2012 16:20 GMT
#81
Been play Terran since 1998 . But I haven't played much SC2 in the last 5 months, still play 10-20 games per season and stay at diamond since there is no master. I just got bored with SC2, will comeback hardcore once HoTS goes gold.
Terran
onPHYRE
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria923 Posts
April 16 2012 16:24 GMT
#82
Zerg masters, 5-10 games a week.
Livin' this life like it was written.
speknek
Profile Joined February 2012
758 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 16:35:38
April 16 2012 16:35 GMT
#83
Main with terran, joke around with protoss, both masters eu (actually higher with P)
Less than 5 a week on average, i guess (usually like 1 week of 5 games a day, then a month without playing)
Holytornados
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1022 Posts
April 16 2012 16:36 GMT
#84
Surprised at how even.

I wasn't sure what race to vote. I used to play terran, but am in the process of attempting to switch to Protoss.
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decaf
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria1797 Posts
April 16 2012 16:37 GMT
#85
On March 12 2012 18:36 Geiko wrote:
It's funny that there are so few protoss players on TL but the strategy forum has the most [G]uides written for protoss.

Writing Guides about various all-ins doesn't take that much effort
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 16:45:49
April 16 2012 16:39 GMT
#86
On March 12 2012 18:40 chambertin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 18:36 Geiko wrote:
It's funny that there are so few protoss players on TL but the strategy forum has the most [G]uides written for protoss.


Do you think perhaps that is because Toss is the race that is most build order reliant? That is certainly my perspective. Zerg must certainly be more flexible/ As for Terran it seems like there might be too much variety in BO for them to merit simple guides. I'm not sure....

This is what I think too. When I played Protoss, I found that a good build order is a very important thing to have going into the game. Playing Terran now, I feel like build orders are in general simpler (because we don't indicate every single unit that comes out of the gateway for the first 6 minutes :D), and more adaptable.
PvP is very build order reliant, while TvT is maybe the least non Zerg build reliant matchup.
PvZ is mostly "FFE into a cool and precise build that accomplishes some goal or hit a timing", TvZ is mostly "take map control with hellions, and try to deny bases, defend harass, keep up macroing, until you think you can finish Zerg with a big push"
TvP is a bit of the same for both races, with plenty of all ins to defend, and some clear mid-to-late game compositions, and it comes down to micro.

Edit: And that may be a reason to the relative success of the race on the ladder. You follow a build order found on TL, your chances of winning the game increase to 55% compared to your opponent who doesn't have that supply list to rely on :D
I at least know that when I was Protoss, I was very proud of my build orders and shit, which, now that I think about it, is quite dumb, because there is little to no glory in following a supply list.
v3chr0
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States856 Posts
April 16 2012 16:44 GMT
#87
Interesting results so far, very even.

TL no imba!
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VoO
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany278 Posts
April 16 2012 16:50 GMT
#88
Protoss Master in the beginning, switched to Terran and got High Master/GM then Terran became unplayable and switched to Zerg which I'm currently in Master but I will quit SC2 for the time being at least until Protoss gets fixed.
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ivirj
Profile Joined January 2010
Mexico79 Posts
April 16 2012 18:39 GMT
#89
Played T since the beta, then switched to Z because T was OP that that time.

Now switched back to T from Z because Z is op this time around.

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Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
April 16 2012 18:47 GMT
#90
haha, I always knew, that the average level on TL was platinum diamondish. can we now never ever use the argument "it's noobfriendly" again in the context of tournaments n stuff? like "the casual viewers can't take any information from healthbars" fuck you there are no casual viewers, stop making claims in their name.
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Imbu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States903 Posts
April 16 2012 18:56 GMT
#91
On April 17 2012 03:47 Greenei wrote:
haha, I always knew, that the average level on TL was platinum diamondish. can we now never ever use the argument "it's noobfriendly" again in the context of tournaments n stuff? like "the casual viewers can't take any information from healthbars" fuck you there are no casual viewers, stop making claims in their name.

There may not be casual observers on TL or in this case ones that actually responded to the pool - there are plenty of people who watch StarCraft that do not come here. Also, there's no need to be so aggressive towards these suggestions since just by being on TL you've pretty much moved out of the casual zone. For instance, the single player campaign has had less than 1% of the global community complete the game on Insane difficulty, yet for the majority of TL'ers, that is a rather simple task. When you're looking at a community that can easily do what more than 99% of the global community can not, I would say we're quite removed from the term "causal".
@DreamingBird
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 16 2012 18:59 GMT
#92
On April 17 2012 03:47 Greenei wrote:
haha, I always knew, that the average level on TL was platinum diamondish. can we now never ever use the argument "it's noobfriendly" again in the context of tournaments n stuff? like "the casual viewers can't take any information from healthbars" fuck you there are no casual viewers, stop making claims in their name.

But are you sure that the poll represents the level of a good amount of lurkers on TL? Are you sure every tournament spectator has a TL account and answered the poll? It's not easy to draw conclusions from this kind of data. Just cool to see it so balanced and kinda high levelish :D
Fealthas
Profile Joined May 2011
607 Posts
April 16 2012 19:01 GMT
#93
Wow, we have a more even distrubution then I though we would have.
snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
April 16 2012 19:07 GMT
#94
at this point, 41 people said they never play sc2 melee matches.

my question is, then why do you come to the sc2 section of TL?
My religion is Starcraft
Brainiak
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany91 Posts
April 16 2012 19:08 GMT
#95
Chose Toss and have never ever regretted it
(Wow so many in Tl are masters!!)
“History is written by the victors.” Winston Churchill
SoniC_eu
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1008 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 19:50:18
April 16 2012 19:21 GMT
#96
I don't think this will give a accurate race representation across all the leagues? Seems like when one third of the ppl responding are masters, then it's bias towards the higher leagues. MAkes sense, cos generally ppl with a TL account who are active on forums etc. are of a higher caliber.
sc2 ranks def. shows a different picture


Sc2 ranks showing race distribution
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Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
April 16 2012 19:25 GMT
#97
On April 17 2012 04:07 snively wrote:
at this point, 41 people said they never play sc2 melee matches.

my question is, then why do you come to the sc2 section of TL?


I don't play the game at all (I have literally like 7 games played from beta->now) and I come to the SC2 section to follow what few tournaments I do :p

Same for BW, I haven't touched BW in years but I'm in the BW forums for the tournaments/community etc.

There's a lot more to TL than just BW/SC2/Whatever players, there's a huge community. This is a news site as well, don't forget. :D
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SoniC_eu
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1008 Posts
April 16 2012 19:51 GMT
#98
On April 17 2012 04:25 Torenhire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 04:07 snively wrote:
at this point, 41 people said they never play sc2 melee matches.

my question is, then why do you come to the sc2 section of TL?


I don't play the game at all (I have literally like 7 games played from beta->now) and I come to the SC2 section to follow what few tournaments I do :p

Same for BW, I haven't touched BW in years but I'm in the BW forums for the tournaments/community etc.

There's a lot more to TL than just BW/SC2/Whatever players, there's a huge community. This is a news site as well, don't forget. :D


The mighty Torte has a lil ladder nerves? :o
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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 19:54:59
April 16 2012 19:54 GMT
#99
[x] Protoss
[x] GM
[x] 50-100 hours / week


quite nice too see 30% at all races TL > Ladder
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HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
April 16 2012 19:57 GMT
#100
On April 17 2012 01:37 decaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 18:36 Geiko wrote:
It's funny that there are so few protoss players on TL but the strategy forum has the most [G]uides written for protoss.

Writing Guides about various all-ins doesn't take that much effort


I hope you're not serious
Meteora.GB
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2479 Posts
April 16 2012 20:00 GMT
#101
I find it hard to believe there are more masters than there are any other league according to the poll.

At any rate, Terran in Platinum. Rarely play because of wrist injury and ladder anxiety.
veryveryhard
Profile Joined November 2010
38 Posts
April 16 2012 20:00 GMT
#102

what are melee matches?

thank you
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
April 16 2012 20:29 GMT
#103
On April 17 2012 04:51 SoniC_eu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 04:25 Torenhire wrote:
On April 17 2012 04:07 snively wrote:
at this point, 41 people said they never play sc2 melee matches.

my question is, then why do you come to the sc2 section of TL?


I don't play the game at all (I have literally like 7 games played from beta->now) and I come to the SC2 section to follow what few tournaments I do :p

Same for BW, I haven't touched BW in years but I'm in the BW forums for the tournaments/community etc.

There's a lot more to TL than just BW/SC2/Whatever players, there's a huge community. This is a news site as well, don't forget. :D


The mighty Torte has a lil ladder nerves? :o


Torenhire != Torte de Lini, unless he spends even more time posting than I thought o_O
I think esports is pretty nice.
Nabes
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1800 Posts
April 16 2012 20:35 GMT
#104
On April 17 2012 05:00 Meteora.GB wrote:
I find it hard to believe there are more masters than there are any other league according to the poll.

At any rate, Terran in Platinum. Rarely play because of wrist injury and ladder anxiety.


I would think the higher the league you are, the more likley you would visit TL.
boppel
Profile Joined March 2012
140 Posts
April 16 2012 20:53 GMT
#105
On April 17 2012 05:00 veryveryhard wrote:

what are melee matches?

thank you

ladder games
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 16 2012 22:38 GMT
#106
On April 17 2012 05:29 Saechiis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 04:51 SoniC_eu wrote:
On April 17 2012 04:25 Torenhire wrote:
On April 17 2012 04:07 snively wrote:
at this point, 41 people said they never play sc2 melee matches.

my question is, then why do you come to the sc2 section of TL?


I don't play the game at all (I have literally like 7 games played from beta->now) and I come to the SC2 section to follow what few tournaments I do :p

Same for BW, I haven't touched BW in years but I'm in the BW forums for the tournaments/community etc.

There's a lot more to TL than just BW/SC2/Whatever players, there's a huge community. This is a news site as well, don't forget. :D


The mighty Torte has a lil ladder nerves? :o


Torenhire != Torte de Lini, unless he spends even more time posting than I thought o_O


I have ladder nerves, but I can account for at least 3,200 games played in total since release :B
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KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
April 17 2012 14:19 GMT
#107
Interesting how so far it's an extremely even split
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IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
April 17 2012 14:20 GMT
#108
weird because there's way less terrans on ladder compared to the other races.
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
April 17 2012 14:22 GMT
#109
wow looks really even soo far
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
April 17 2012 14:27 GMT
#110
On April 17 2012 05:35 OrangeSoda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 05:00 Meteora.GB wrote:
I find it hard to believe there are more masters than there are any other league according to the poll.

At any rate, Terran in Platinum. Rarely play because of wrist injury and ladder anxiety.


I would think the higher the league you are, the more likley you would visit TL.


Ya but I consider this poll of league about as honest as the ones you see in the 1v1 obs ums or when you ask pirates how many of them buy the stuff they pirate if its good. Polls like these are inherently going to draw people to lie about them especially considering that a majority of the players of sc2 are gold or lower.
SirPsychoMantis
Profile Joined December 2011
United States180 Posts
April 17 2012 15:32 GMT
#111
On April 17 2012 23:27 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 05:35 OrangeSoda wrote:
On April 17 2012 05:00 Meteora.GB wrote:
I find it hard to believe there are more masters than there are any other league according to the poll.

At any rate, Terran in Platinum. Rarely play because of wrist injury and ladder anxiety.


I would think the higher the league you are, the more likley you would visit TL.


Ya but I consider this poll of league about as honest as the ones you see in the 1v1 obs ums or when you ask pirates how many of them buy the stuff they pirate if its good. Polls like these are inherently going to draw people to lie about them especially considering that a majority of the players of sc2 are gold or lower.


Some people will lie, yes, but I can bet you that a majority of the gold and lower players don't even know what teamliquid is.
Zerg #1
Genome852
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States979 Posts
April 18 2012 00:28 GMT
#112
On April 17 2012 23:27 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 05:35 OrangeSoda wrote:
On April 17 2012 05:00 Meteora.GB wrote:
I find it hard to believe there are more masters than there are any other league according to the poll.

At any rate, Terran in Platinum. Rarely play because of wrist injury and ladder anxiety.


I would think the higher the league you are, the more likley you would visit TL.


Ya but I consider this poll of league about as honest as the ones you see in the 1v1 obs ums or when you ask pirates how many of them buy the stuff they pirate if its good. Polls like these are inherently going to draw people to lie about them especially considering that a majority of the players of sc2 are gold or lower.


But you have to consider that anyone who spends time reading teamliquid probably got out of bronze / lower leagues fairly quickly...
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
April 18 2012 00:32 GMT
#113
On April 17 2012 05:00 Meteora.GB wrote:
I find it hard to believe there are more masters than there are any other league according to the poll.

At any rate, Terran in Platinum. Rarely play because of wrist injury and ladder anxiety.

If master league players are gonna be anywhere on the internet, they're gonna be on TL.
Zealot Lord
Profile Joined May 2010
Hong Kong747 Posts
April 18 2012 01:09 GMT
#114
wow, I wish ladder balance of opponents race was like this!
SEA KarMa
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia452 Posts
April 18 2012 01:12 GMT
#115
interesting too see the results of this poll.
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-Exalt-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States972 Posts
April 18 2012 01:14 GMT
#116
damn I expected at least 60% to be zerg! woah!

FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
April 18 2012 02:02 GMT
#117
Think people are just voting to keep it even. Feels like Zerg is the most played, with Protoss not far behind, Terrans are getting scarce these days.
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statikg
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada930 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 02:08:31
April 18 2012 02:07 GMT
#118
The poll doest take into account number of games played per race, for example, I voted Terran, masters yet I haven't played heavily for months (150+ games a season til end of season 5 -> less then 10 games for season 6)

I am sceptical of people lying about their race, why bother theres really little motive to do so.
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