I still remember that set vs Hero, big heartbreak for me. :p
Was about to win the last game then a couple of tank mis-rallies lost it. Both players seemed so nervous then.
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LunaSaint
United Kingdom620 Posts
I still remember that set vs Hero, big heartbreak for me. :p Was about to win the last game then a couple of tank mis-rallies lost it. Both players seemed so nervous then. | ||
Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
Best of luck to SjoW. | ||
FuFighter
Germany60 Posts
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Pyloss
Germany1515 Posts
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Hilo
Estonia114 Posts
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Bamm
Sweden279 Posts
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TemujinGK
United States483 Posts
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Naniwa
Sweden477 Posts
On March 02 2012 22:22 TemujinGK wrote: ![]() only time will sjow | ||
Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On March 02 2012 22:25 Naniwa wrote: Show nested quote + On March 02 2012 22:22 TemujinGK wrote: ![]() only time will sjow Sjow-off ... | ||
turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On March 02 2012 11:53 sereniity wrote: Show nested quote + On March 02 2012 11:45 turdburgler wrote: On March 02 2012 11:21 sereniity wrote: On March 02 2012 10:57 00Visor wrote: On March 02 2012 09:25 Eee wrote: On March 02 2012 08:32 Kennigit wrote: On March 02 2012 08:13 Elem wrote: On March 02 2012 08:12 sereniity wrote: If you earned that much money outside of winning the GSL you've won quite a number of tournaments. Usually this means you're pretty damn good.On March 02 2012 08:09 TotalBiscuit wrote: On March 02 2012 08:03 sereniity wrote: [quote] Yeah and FruitDealer is 8th... Your argument is invalid. Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia. Oh, and what is MY argument exactly? I was pointing out how bad his argument of "earned alot of money - must be good" was. So, now please explain to me what my argument was now again? Hardly. IPL4 will give 100k in prizes, Stephano got like 70 or 80k from IPL3 - MLG was giving 5k per event last season except for the final. Polt got 100k off GSL Super tournament. Prize winnings is a terrible metric for how good someone is. For reference, sjow is ELO Rank: 51st in TLPD international. the tlpd is as misleading as the prize money, for example it doesn't include sjows IeSF win among others. And 51st ELO rank is still pretty good. That is 17th best foreigner. If you'd go by the money ranking, Sjow would be ranked 19th globally. If you'd go by the ELO ranking Sjow would be ranked 51st globally. I think Kennigits reference was more to show how big the difference is between the two things - none of them are really good to judge player skill, which the differentials clearly prove. well the thing is, the ELO system is designed to show objective skill, you cant argue that they are equally bad because money is just a subjective measure. as was pointed out, you can easily find cases of easier matches resulting in more money. Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing? Confused... ![]() your post implies that just counting winnings or just looking at elo are equally bad measures. im pointing out that they are both flawed, but they arent equally flawed. winnings gives much more lopsided results than elo. for example, nestea has fallen off recently, so maybe you he is 5th in the world in elo (for example), but his winnings will be top 1-2 for years to come as players come and go, based purely on winnings you would say hes 2nd best! then the other example of winning an mlg after the korean invites, just as hard as any other non code s league, and yet it only rewarded 5k. there were many other leagues with barely any koreans, or second tier koreans, that rewarded more money. sjow is a good player but he certainly isnt top 20 in the world, top 50 as elo indicates sounds much more reasonable. | ||
WilDMousE
Chile1335 Posts
On March 02 2012 19:51 TotalBiscuit wrote: Show nested quote + On March 02 2012 16:52 hrvoje07 wrote: What? Stephano got 30k from IPL3. Thats not even close to 80k. Sjow participated in a lot of event and i think his prize winnings can tell you something about his skill. (his whole winnings don't come from one event). Pretty much this. If you choose to just look solely at his earnings ranking and not the information that is RIGHT FUCKING THERE ON THE PAGE then your argument is pretty much horseshit. You can't just say "oh well that's all I was talking about!", it's like deliberate sodding ignorance. The guy who originally posted was making the assumption that people wouldn't be dumbasses and actually take into account ALL the information that was right there available, rather than just say "herpderp, fruitdealer is 8th, argument invalid". People are more interested in being pedantic than having a sensible discussion it seems. Chill TB, you know this is just a sjow, just take a sjower and relax, we know he's skilled, i'll miss him... I cant live hearing his name without dignitas. | ||
TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On March 02 2012 22:41 WilDMousE wrote: Show nested quote + On March 02 2012 19:51 TotalBiscuit wrote: On March 02 2012 16:52 hrvoje07 wrote: What? Stephano got 30k from IPL3. Thats not even close to 80k. Sjow participated in a lot of event and i think his prize winnings can tell you something about his skill. (his whole winnings don't come from one event). Pretty much this. If you choose to just look solely at his earnings ranking and not the information that is RIGHT FUCKING THERE ON THE PAGE then your argument is pretty much horseshit. You can't just say "oh well that's all I was talking about!", it's like deliberate sodding ignorance. The guy who originally posted was making the assumption that people wouldn't be dumbasses and actually take into account ALL the information that was right there available, rather than just say "herpderp, fruitdealer is 8th, argument invalid". People are more interested in being pedantic than having a sensible discussion it seems. Chill TB, you know this is just a sjow, just take a sjower and relax, we know he's skilled, i'll miss him... I cant live hearing his name without dignitas. Gunnar Optics needs to form a team with the tag "GUN" and hire only Sjow. | ||
Wallstreet11
133 Posts
On March 02 2012 07:33 sereniity wrote: Show nested quote + On March 02 2012 07:25 Wallstreet11 wrote: On March 02 2012 07:11 StuartLove wrote: wounder what team will sign a player like show these days, i cant agree with the ppl above me who said "he gets many offers" i dont think a player who didnt showed many good results in last 12months gets to many offers, pretty sure he must/will take one of his only 1.2 offers. If you don´t think he has had good results you haven´t followed him in the latest tournaments. It´s not like he crushes everything but he is def top3 Terran in Europe and he has beaten good koreans in online tournaments. At the same time I don´t think he will be joining a "B" team because he is better than merz and he is staying in dignitas it seems. I definently think he is either fed up with sc2 and off to do other things or that he is going to join a team that has a pro house or lets him go to korea, Personally I am hoping for either mouz, liquid or Quantic. my 2 cents. I don't know about Top 3.... ThorZaIN and Kas are definitely above him, I might actually rate BeastyQT above him tbh. Even online against the online heroes he did very good. Wasn´t he like rank 1 GM in europe last season? Alsp compare Kas LAN results vs SjoW. It Isn´t even close. Empire has a lot of inet heroes(Happy, Beasty, Kas). Kas has been showing better results nowadays but I doubt Beasty and even Kas even have more wins than losses vs him. If you would go by results(Lan and online) SjoW would ofc be way ahead. Thorzain is prolly 1# in europe thou. When you watch Sjow he seems slow etc and often can´t handle macro + micro at the same time as other can but when it comes to playing smart there are very few who can match him. Bottom line: I don´t think he is overrated at all. He can beat the best any day even on LAN unlike the Empire inet heroes. Has Happy won a single game on LAN? | ||
Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
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Zvenn3n
Sweden1196 Posts
On March 02 2012 22:42 TotalBiscuit wrote: Show nested quote + On March 02 2012 22:41 WilDMousE wrote: On March 02 2012 19:51 TotalBiscuit wrote: On March 02 2012 16:52 hrvoje07 wrote: What? Stephano got 30k from IPL3. Thats not even close to 80k. Sjow participated in a lot of event and i think his prize winnings can tell you something about his skill. (his whole winnings don't come from one event). Pretty much this. If you choose to just look solely at his earnings ranking and not the information that is RIGHT FUCKING THERE ON THE PAGE then your argument is pretty much horseshit. You can't just say "oh well that's all I was talking about!", it's like deliberate sodding ignorance. The guy who originally posted was making the assumption that people wouldn't be dumbasses and actually take into account ALL the information that was right there available, rather than just say "herpderp, fruitdealer is 8th, argument invalid". People are more interested in being pedantic than having a sensible discussion it seems. Chill TB, you know this is just a sjow, just take a sjower and relax, we know he's skilled, i'll miss him... I cant live hearing his name without dignitas. Gunnar Optics needs to form a team with the tag "GUN" and hire only Sjow. Sounds awesome! ![]() | ||
Tiegrr
United States607 Posts
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
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insearchof
United States57 Posts
On March 02 2012 06:27 PolskaGora wrote: Best of luck to SjoW! I remember I started my SC2 career watching Husky cast his games on youtube. I'm sure he will have many offers ![]() bad and bad User was warned for this post | ||
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