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On March 02 2012 09:25 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 08:32 Kennigit wrote:On March 02 2012 08:13 Elem wrote:On March 02 2012 08:12 sereniity wrote:On March 02 2012 08:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 02 2012 08:03 sereniity wrote:On March 02 2012 07:49 Kiichol wrote:http://sc2earnings.com/Sjow is ranked 19th Globally in earnings through Starcraft 2 competitions. So anyone doubting his ability has a rude awakening coming. Yeah and FruitDealer is 8th... Your argument is invalid. Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia. Oh, and what is MY argument exactly? I was pointing out how bad his argument of "earned alot of money - must be good" was. So, now please explain to me what my argument was now again? If you earned that much money outside of winning the GSL you've won quite a number of tournaments. Usually this means you're pretty damn good. Hardly. IPL4 will give 100k in prizes, Stephano got like 70 or 80k from IPL3 - MLG was giving 5k per event last season except for the final. Polt got 100k off GSL Super tournament. Prize winnings is a terrible metric for how good someone is. For reference, sjow is ELO Rank: 51st in TLPD international. the tlpd is as misleading as the prize money, for example it doesn't include sjows IeSF win among others.
And 51st ELO rank is still pretty good.
That is 17th best foreigner.
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Poll: Which team will SjoW go to?Quantic (23) 29% Liquid (14) 18% Mouz (14) 18% Millenium (6) 8% eSahara (4) 5% SK gaming (4) 5% Complexity (3) 4% FnaticRaidCall (3) 4% Empire (2) 3% mTw (2) 3% Korean Team (2) 3% EG (1) 1% 78 total votes Your vote: Which team will SjoW go to? (Vote): Liquid
(Vote): EG
(Vote): Quantic
(Vote): Complexity
(Vote): Empire
(Vote): Millenium
(Vote): Mouz
(Vote): eSahara
(Vote): SK gaming
(Vote): FnaticRaidCall
(Vote): mTw
(Vote): Korean Team
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In case anyone gave a damn: If SjoW doesn't end up on Liquid I would expect Kas or ThorZaIN to be recruited when their contracts expire.
sjow thinks he is worth more than he is. IMO he's not on the level of a kas or thorzain, they would be infinitely better pick ups for any team.
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On March 02 2012 10:57 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 09:25 Eee wrote:On March 02 2012 08:32 Kennigit wrote:On March 02 2012 08:13 Elem wrote:On March 02 2012 08:12 sereniity wrote:On March 02 2012 08:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 02 2012 08:03 sereniity wrote:On March 02 2012 07:49 Kiichol wrote:http://sc2earnings.com/Sjow is ranked 19th Globally in earnings through Starcraft 2 competitions. So anyone doubting his ability has a rude awakening coming. Yeah and FruitDealer is 8th... Your argument is invalid. Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia. Oh, and what is MY argument exactly? I was pointing out how bad his argument of "earned alot of money - must be good" was. So, now please explain to me what my argument was now again? If you earned that much money outside of winning the GSL you've won quite a number of tournaments. Usually this means you're pretty damn good. Hardly. IPL4 will give 100k in prizes, Stephano got like 70 or 80k from IPL3 - MLG was giving 5k per event last season except for the final. Polt got 100k off GSL Super tournament. Prize winnings is a terrible metric for how good someone is. For reference, sjow is ELO Rank: 51st in TLPD international. the tlpd is as misleading as the prize money, for example it doesn't include sjows IeSF win among others. And 51st ELO rank is still pretty good. That is 17th best foreigner.
If you'd go by the money ranking, Sjow would be ranked 19th globally.
If you'd go by the ELO ranking Sjow would be ranked 51st globally.
I think Kennigits reference was more to show how big the difference is between the two things - none of them are really good to judge player skill, which the differentials clearly prove.
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I think lots of foreigners will be cut for koreans in the coming year.
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well this was kind of unexpected... I really think he will go to quantic for some reason
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Little surprised to hear this. Wonder what team will be looking to pick him up.
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Hmm I hope he finds a great new team !
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This sucks for dig but i hope he goes to Quantic to make that team even more sexy
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nice guy and smart player. goodluck
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Quantic most likely..
SjoW is pretty overrated
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On March 02 2012 11:21 sereniity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 10:57 00Visor wrote:On March 02 2012 09:25 Eee wrote:On March 02 2012 08:32 Kennigit wrote:On March 02 2012 08:13 Elem wrote:On March 02 2012 08:12 sereniity wrote:On March 02 2012 08:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 02 2012 08:03 sereniity wrote:On March 02 2012 07:49 Kiichol wrote:http://sc2earnings.com/Sjow is ranked 19th Globally in earnings through Starcraft 2 competitions. So anyone doubting his ability has a rude awakening coming. Yeah and FruitDealer is 8th... Your argument is invalid. Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia. Oh, and what is MY argument exactly? I was pointing out how bad his argument of "earned alot of money - must be good" was. So, now please explain to me what my argument was now again? If you earned that much money outside of winning the GSL you've won quite a number of tournaments. Usually this means you're pretty damn good. Hardly. IPL4 will give 100k in prizes, Stephano got like 70 or 80k from IPL3 - MLG was giving 5k per event last season except for the final. Polt got 100k off GSL Super tournament. Prize winnings is a terrible metric for how good someone is. For reference, sjow is ELO Rank: 51st in TLPD international. the tlpd is as misleading as the prize money, for example it doesn't include sjows IeSF win among others. And 51st ELO rank is still pretty good. That is 17th best foreigner. If you'd go by the money ranking, Sjow would be ranked 19th globally. If you'd go by the ELO ranking Sjow would be ranked 51st globally. I think Kennigits reference was more to show how big the difference is between the two things - none of them are really good to judge player skill, which the differentials clearly prove.
well the thing is, the ELO system is designed to show objective skill, you cant argue that they are equally bad because money is just a subjective measure. as was pointed out, you can easily find cases of easier matches resulting in more money.
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On March 02 2012 11:45 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 11:21 sereniity wrote:On March 02 2012 10:57 00Visor wrote:On March 02 2012 09:25 Eee wrote:On March 02 2012 08:32 Kennigit wrote:On March 02 2012 08:13 Elem wrote:On March 02 2012 08:12 sereniity wrote:On March 02 2012 08:09 TotalBiscuit wrote:On March 02 2012 08:03 sereniity wrote:On March 02 2012 07:49 Kiichol wrote:http://sc2earnings.com/Sjow is ranked 19th Globally in earnings through Starcraft 2 competitions. So anyone doubting his ability has a rude awakening coming. Yeah and FruitDealer is 8th... Your argument is invalid. Sjow has won more than one tournament outside the beta, your argument is dogshit. He's actually won a ton of tournaments, as you'd know if you clicked Liquipedia. Oh, and what is MY argument exactly? I was pointing out how bad his argument of "earned alot of money - must be good" was. So, now please explain to me what my argument was now again? If you earned that much money outside of winning the GSL you've won quite a number of tournaments. Usually this means you're pretty damn good. Hardly. IPL4 will give 100k in prizes, Stephano got like 70 or 80k from IPL3 - MLG was giving 5k per event last season except for the final. Polt got 100k off GSL Super tournament. Prize winnings is a terrible metric for how good someone is. For reference, sjow is ELO Rank: 51st in TLPD international. the tlpd is as misleading as the prize money, for example it doesn't include sjows IeSF win among others. And 51st ELO rank is still pretty good. That is 17th best foreigner. If you'd go by the money ranking, Sjow would be ranked 19th globally. If you'd go by the ELO ranking Sjow would be ranked 51st globally. I think Kennigits reference was more to show how big the difference is between the two things - none of them are really good to judge player skill, which the differentials clearly prove. well the thing is, the ELO system is designed to show objective skill, you cant argue that they are equally bad because money is just a subjective measure. as was pointed out, you can easily find cases of easier matches resulting in more money.
Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing? Confused...  .
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Ah such a shame to see him leave dignitas, in my eyes he was always the best low apm pro out there. I really hope he gets picked up quickly by a good team, all the best to him!
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On March 02 2012 06:23 Kira__ wrote:
oO
Way to raise your post count by 1 without adding nothing to the topic at hand.
Back on the topic...
This is obviously huge news for Dignitas. SjoW was one of the faces of the SC2 team along with SeleCt (not to mention the already departed NaNiWa). Will they be able to keep SeleCt on the roster?
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On March 02 2012 11:43 naux wrote:
Quantic most likely..
SjoW is pretty overrated
hes not even slightly overrated! where did that come from? O_O
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Wow, hopefully SjoW finds somewhere new quickly 
Dignitas looking a little pale.
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On March 02 2012 11:10 pseudocalm wrote:Show nested quote +In case anyone gave a damn: If SjoW doesn't end up on Liquid I would expect Kas or ThorZaIN to be recruited when their contracts expire. sjow thinks he is worth more than he is. IMO he's not on the level of a kas or thorzain, they would be infinitely better pick ups for any team.
What are you talking about? He is easily top 3 terran in Europe. Didn´t he 2-0 Kas just recently etc? There are very few terrans who are as smart as SjoW in game.
Those who say he is overrated cannot have watched his recent games.
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