EPTSjoW and Dignitas part ways - Page 13
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ssxsilver
United States4409 Posts
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On March 02 2012 08:27 ssxsilver wrote: My favorite thing about team leagues is watching the Sjow/Select bromance. This is sad news. =( Bromance works cross-team as well, it's just a little more awkward.  | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
On March 02 2012 08:30 nihlon wrote: Bromance works cross-team as well, it's just a little more awkward. Yep :D | ||
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Phobbers
773 Posts
On March 02 2012 08:23 TotalBiscuit wrote: Then your argument was horseshit to begin with. SC2earnings also shows where that money came from which taken in combination with the earnings ranking is extremely useful and solid information. If you choose to discard that to make some strawman logical fallacy then that's your own business. How was his argument horseshit to begin with? He was calling someone out for saying X won a lot of money, must be good! In no way did he say sjow was bad, he was just pointing out that HERP DERP LOTs O MONEY doesn't mean obligatory good. You sir need to calm down when called out. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On March 02 2012 08:13 Elem wrote: If you earned that much money outside of winning the GSL you've won quite a number of tournaments. Usually this means you're pretty damn good. Hardly. IPL4 will give 100k in prizes, Stephano got like 70 or 80k from IPL3 - MLG was giving 5k per event last season except for the final. Polt got 100k off GSL Super tournament. Prize winnings is a terrible metric for how good someone is. For reference, sjow is ELO Rank: 51st in TLPD international. | ||
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sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
On March 02 2012 08:23 TotalBiscuit wrote: Then your argument was horseshit to begin with. SC2earnings also shows where that money came from which taken in combination with the earnings ranking is extremely useful and solid information. If you choose to discard that to make some strawman logical fallacy then that's your own business. I never said it's useful information, I never said it wasn't solid. I'm saying that just because you earned more money than other doesn't mean you're better than others. There ARE cases where it's true, MVP and NesTea being a good example. However, there are players who are much better than Sjow who have earned less according to those rankings. An obvious factor being time played, Sjow has been around since the beta. If you're semi-successful it's obvious that you'll earn a decent chunk of money from it. That doesn't mean that he's better than people who are beneath him on that ranking. Now, I need to ask you again. Which argument are you saying was horseshit? Because I don't really understand what you're calling me out for. Why the hell are you getting touchy haha? Do you actually think that Sjow is skilled due to the fact that he earned alot of money? And what the hell is my "strawman logical fallacy"...? EDIT: What Kennigit said above me  . | ||
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DrN0
United Kingdom184 Posts
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Nurmis
Finland81 Posts
On March 02 2012 08:32 Kennigit wrote: Hardly. IPL4 will give 100k in prizes, Stephano got like 70 or 80k from IPL3 - MLG was giving 5k per event last season except for the final. Polt got 100k off GSL Super tournament. Prize winnings is a terrible metric for how good someone is. For reference, sjow is ELO Rank: 51st in TLPD international. Stephano got 30k from IPL 3. And still has 92k winnings | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
On March 02 2012 08:32 Kennigit wrote: Hardly. IPL4 will give 100k in prizes, Stephano got like 70 or 80k from IPL3 - MLG was giving 5k per event last season except for the final. Polt got 100k off GSL Super tournament. Prize winnings is a terrible metric for how good someone is. For reference, sjow is ELO Rank: 51st in TLPD international. While I appreciate the sentiment behind the post let's keep facts accurate. Stephano won $30k from IPL 3. | ||
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Kiichol
Sweden182 Posts
On March 02 2012 08:32 Kennigit wrote: Hardly. IPL4 will give 100k in prizes, Stephano got like 70 or 80k from IPL3 - MLG was giving 5k per event last season except for the final. Polt got 100k off GSL Super tournament. Prize winnings is a terrible metric for how good someone is. For reference, sjow is ELO Rank: 51st in TLPD international. You are indeed correct sir, However it is a fine measure of how hard working someone is! Sjow has won a large number of small tournaments to get to that ranking. What was stopping any other Pro player from joining the same tournaments (dis-regarding the invite only tournaments) thus deterring Sjow from victory? Sjow clearly wants to win whether the prize pool is big small or virtually non-existant. Therefore in my eyes. He is a valuable player. Your first reply was a strawman. You answered in a way that the person you responded to probably didn't mean. Even if he did you filled in the blanks and went off on a tangent. We are talking about Sjow and his accomplishements Agree'd with poster below me. I was not linking his earnings as some sort of trophy that meant something. But rather as what I'm referring to in this post here. -edit | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
Lol! On March 02 2012 08:32 sereniity wrote: I never said it's useful information, I never said it wasn't solid. I'm saying that just because you earned more money than other doesn't mean you're better than others. There ARE cases where it's true, MVP and NesTea being a good example. However, there are players who are much better than Sjow who have earned less according to those rankings. An obvious factor being time played, Sjow has been around since the beta. If you're semi-successful it's obvious that you'll earn a decent chunk of money from it. That doesn't mean that he's better than people who are beneath him on that ranking. Now, I need to ask you again. Which argument are you saying was horseshit? Because I don't really understand what you're calling me out for. Why the hell are you getting touchy haha? Do you actually think that Sjow is skilled due to the fact that he earned alot of money? And what the hell is my "strawman logical fallacy"...? EDIT: What Kennigit said above me .Your first reply was a strawman. You answered in a way that the person you responded to probably didn't mean. Even if he did you filled in the blanks, put words in his mouth and went off on a tangent. We are talking about Sjow and his accomplishements not the value of money earned in general. | ||
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babybell
776 Posts
On March 02 2012 06:39 Fusilero wrote: EmpireSjow because Empire are the foreign team that needs more terrans. Kas>enough terrans | ||
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sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
On March 02 2012 08:38 nam nam wrote: Lol! Your first reply was a strawman. You answered in a way that the person you responded to probably didn't mean. Even if he did you filled in the blanks, put words in his mouth and went off on a tangent. We are talking about Sjow and his accomplishements not the value of money earned in general. My reply was meant to be elaborated by the reader. With people like Fruitdealer on a spot like 8 which I pointed out you can draw the conclusion that moneyrankings aren't the best ways to rank player skill, which was my point. The guy said that if you doubt his ability then look at his money rankings. How the hell am I putting words into his mouth and "going off on a tangent"? If anyone went off on a tangent it's TB rofl. | ||
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shanelevy
United States23 Posts
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On March 02 2012 08:32 Kennigit wrote: IPL3 was 30K, IIRC. As I said in my post before that, that is assuming no GSL money (as winning 1 GSL means you get more than any foreigner apart from the top5.)Hardly. IPL4 will give 100k in prizes, Stephano got like 70 or 80k from IPL3 - MLG was giving 5k per event last season except for the final. Polt got 100k off GSL Super tournament. Prize winnings is a terrible metric for how good someone is. For reference, sjow is ELO Rank: 51st in TLPD international. To directly compare skill prize winnings is quite an awful metric. But if you use it in a reasonable way you can actually show(dohoho) that a player isn't completely worthless. As for going by TLPD: By your idea RS_Soulman and DDE are better than players like NaDa, DIMAGA and Kas. Not saying ELO ranking is a pure shit system but it has just as many flaws as it relies on that you play in a lot of tournaments or get a couple of "lucky" wins vs a person in the top of the ELO ranking. SEA players are the best example of how flawed the ELO ranking system can be at times, imo. Though just like prize winnings it can be used as an argument if used reasonably (for example not screaming "STEPHANO BEST FOREIGNER #1 ELO!!!!!") | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6593 Posts
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
 . No doubt he will be picked up by a strong team, just not sure which one. | ||
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ki11z0ne
United States427 Posts
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On March 02 2012 09:01 Darkhoarse wrote: This isn't about who has earned the most. This is about some people being silly and putting down SjoW's achievements, implying that he isn't that great of a player. Which is very, very wrong.can we not have this thread be about how much which player has earned, and instead post about how sad we are that he is leaving dig? . No doubt he will be picked up by a strong team, just not sure which one. | ||
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