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On February 14 2012 15:10 Bowzer wrote:
As a disgruntled gold member, I will be doing option C.
For me it isn't about the 20 dollars, I spent 20 dollars on supper tonight. It's the principle of how Sundance convinced us that buying gold memberships was helping pro players and e-sports, and that we'd see big things this year depending on the amount of gold subscribers they got.
Also, I don't see how going PPV at this juncture is going to grow the sport.
Thanks for the support Alex!
This exactly.
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The new PPV will stop me from watching this event simply because I am in a completely different time-zone and am therefor an occasional viewer and not willing to pay (anything really) for the few games I am able to watch. I really don't know how many like me are out there, but I hope the revenue weighs up againt "our" departure.
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NO write-up can save face for MLG clearly shooting themselves in the foot.
A spade is a spade.
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On February 14 2012 16:23 figq wrote:
While a respected team manager's email has great potential to influence MLG, I kinda doubt an email from just some average viewer like me would even be read.
You're wrong about this. Please email them.
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I feel that calling this "fraud" is crazy....they are simply tring something new. MLG is not tring to pull the wool over ppls eyes, they are simply tring to my money and improve thier show. :D:D
*no hate btw*
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I would be more than happy paying 10 rather than 20, but the whole thing being announced as PPV so close to the start of the event irks me. I think MLG is going to be extremely dissapointed with the viewership for this, I'm not sure they are thinking correctly here.
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I would pay if it's 15
actually I'd pay regardless because I'd like to have an esports model that works... but I'd be more inclined to do so at 15 (although pressure from parents wanting me to actually do work than do "game stuff" is making it so I probably cant until like around july.... t.t)
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On February 14 2012 16:32 SC2.PiXL wrote:
I feel that calling this "fraud" is crazy....they are simply tring something new. MLG is not tring to pull the wool over ppls eyes, they are simply tring to my money and improve thier show. :D:D
*no hate btw*
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck... and so far, the whole affair walks and talks like bait and switch for gold members (which thankfully I decided against at the last moment).
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Leave it to Alex to lay down some knowledge. Cheers 
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On February 14 2012 16:32 SC2.PiXL wrote:
I feel that calling this "fraud" is crazy....they are simply tring something new. MLG is not tring to pull the wool over ppls eyes, they are simply tring to my money and improve thier show. :D:D
*no hate btw*
How it is not fraud?
This is what I paid for: "Access to HQ Pro Circuit Streams"
MLG changed it so Gold Members now recieve: "Access to MLG Pro Circuit Championship Broadcasts in HD"
So now I only get access to Championship Broadcasts. Think the Winter Arena isn't part of the Pro Circuit? Check out the screenshots on the last page. It was bait and switch.
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I'm really not sure you can say "I paid for that" when the event in question wasn't even announced when you bought the Gold Membership. If they'd said Gold would include them, and specifically named the events, you might have a point. As it is, you bought Gold Membership to watch the circuit without knowing that Arena existed and you're still getting the same product for your money now.
Am I missing something?
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On February 14 2012 16:24 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 16:14 Raelcun wrote:On February 14 2012 16:08 BronzeKnee wrote:On February 14 2012 16:05 a9arnn wrote:Well the arena isn't a Pro Circuit event, it's an offline qualifier of sorts to precede the main event of Cbus (Seeing as the event's not open to the public/etc.). This is incorrect. Check my last post above. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/the-first-details-about-the-mlg-2012-pro-circuit"The 2012 MLG Pro Circuit will be made up of four distinct Seasons, each with their own Live Championship Event." The four season represent the 2012 Pro Circuit. And the winter Qualifiers are part of the season, and thus part of the Circuit. MLG would not have changed their language regarding what Gold Members recieve had this not been the case. Even if this is true encouraging people to chargeback is going to do more harm than good most likely. If a large volume of chargebacks occur on a vendor then the bank they are with is levied fines due to being associated with that vendor. The bank then usually passes those directly on to the vendor including in some cases adding a fine per chargeback that occurs afterwards. Basically if people do what you are proposing it is more likely to directly harm MLG than it is to make them change their mind on the pricing. How about you give them time to respond to feedback first? Alright guys, let me make it simple for you: Look at the Logo for the Winter Arena and tell me it isn't part of the Pro Circuit:![[image loading]](http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9915/mlgfs.jpg) It is not hard to determine whether or not the Arena is part of the Pro Circuit! http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/I recommend you dispute the charge with your Credit Card company as outlined in an earlier post if you paid for a Gold or Silver membership.
Let me use simple words so you can understand.
Encouraging chargebacks in large volumes to MLG will only result in them paying fines if successful.
Do you honestly think trying to harm MLG financially will get them to reduce prices or give out discounts you believe that they are shorting you?
This is not about if the Arena is part of the pro circuit, your idea is just bad.
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Sundance, as a young professional with far to much disposable income, my reserve price is $12.
I have every GSL season ticket, every special event, and several MLG tickets. If you could offer me everything for the year for $80 (MLG HD and Arena), I'd pay it up front.
There is still time to fix this up and get me to spend my money on MLG! Adopt GSL's model and I'm in. I'd be willing to bet that for every 1 who would have bought at $20, there's at least two of me.
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I echo the sentiment here that gold members are getting the short end of the stick, but really this was a long time coming. I'm really amazed that e-sports events such as Assembly and MLG have even managed to stay afloat financially. Thus far the revenues for all these events have been through advertising only, and that simply won't cut it for just how much even just the venue costs. God, I really hope that all this e-sports bananza in the west is not just one massive bubble.
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Also MLG should remake their horrific website so you can actually find vods there
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there goes mlg as the biggest non korean event ..
while i dont understand why a team opens a thread like this (even tho you are trying to be nice to mlg  ),
no ppv means i wont watch (i dont even know if i could without a cc?)
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On February 14 2012 16:24 BronzeKnee wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Alright guys, let me make it simple for you: Look at the Logo for the Winter Arena and tell me it isn't part of the Pro Circuit:It is not hard to determine whether or not the Arena is part of the Pro Circuit! http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/I recommend you dispute the charge with your Credit Card company as outlined in an earlier post if you paid for a Gold or Silver membership .
Ok yeah that's pretty bs how they changed that, sorry for doubting you BronzeKnee D:. That's some sneaky moves by MLG :O
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The timing I'm sure is making some people salty. I personally don't understand not showing something beforehand. "Hey guys, we want to charge now for out business model. But since this is sort of new ground for e-sports here's what people can expect so you don't feel like we're just trying to rape money from the scene." And possibly having a minievent for free to showcase how everything has improved or the first even is free or something. The way it is now it does seem like sort of a crap shoot since no one has any idea what to expect. Is it going to be stream crashing, 30 mins of staring at the crowd between matches, paused games, wtf is happening? Or is it going to be mind blowing, totally awesome, man everyone who didn't get this missed out! ?
This is make it or break it essentially, and trying to get people to throw $20 in blindly doesn't seem like the brightest move.
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On February 14 2012 16:38 Raelcun wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 16:24 BronzeKnee wrote:On February 14 2012 16:14 Raelcun wrote:On February 14 2012 16:08 BronzeKnee wrote:On February 14 2012 16:05 a9arnn wrote:Well the arena isn't a Pro Circuit event, it's an offline qualifier of sorts to precede the main event of Cbus (Seeing as the event's not open to the public/etc.). This is incorrect. Check my last post above. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/the-first-details-about-the-mlg-2012-pro-circuit"The 2012 MLG Pro Circuit will be made up of four distinct Seasons, each with their own Live Championship Event." The four season represent the 2012 Pro Circuit. And the winter Qualifiers are part of the season, and thus part of the Circuit. MLG would not have changed their language regarding what Gold Members recieve had this not been the case. Even if this is true encouraging people to chargeback is going to do more harm than good most likely. If a large volume of chargebacks occur on a vendor then the bank they are with is levied fines due to being associated with that vendor. The bank then usually passes those directly on to the vendor including in some cases adding a fine per chargeback that occurs afterwards. Basically if people do what you are proposing it is more likely to directly harm MLG than it is to make them change their mind on the pricing. How about you give them time to respond to feedback first? Alright guys, let me make it simple for you: Look at the Logo for the Winter Arena and tell me it isn't part of the Pro Circuit:It is not hard to determine whether or not the Arena is part of the Pro Circuit! http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/I recommend you dispute the charge with your Credit Card company as outlined in an earlier post if you paid for a Gold or Silver membership. Let me use simple words so you can understand. Encouraging chargebacks in large volumes to MLG will only result in them paying fines if successful. Do you honestly think trying to harm MLG financially will get them to reduce prices or give out discounts you believe that they are shorting you? This is not about if the Arena is part of the pro circuit, your idea is just bad.
You were wrong about the Arena not being in the Pro Circuit and I think you're wrong about this too. MLG is committing fraud, and they deserve to be punished. No one is above the law, even if they provide content I enjoy.
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Really good Post Alex, I will not spend $20 dollars I am poor T_T and for 1 weekend event which I will be switching between and assembly I don't think I could dish out that amount of money. The reason that MMA and Wrestling get such high numbers is the demographic that buys the PPV is mostly male adults, maybe some kids convince their parents. The biggest group of Starcraft 2 Fans are College students like myself who try to support when we can. I agree 10 would be more reasonable, but offering a free Stream should be a must even if it's 240p quality.
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