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EienShinwa
United States655 Posts
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onedayclose
United States1145 Posts
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hoby2000
United States918 Posts
Anyway, maybe the price tag could go down, but I've been trying to explain what you've already said to everyone. I'm willing to pay for it, but I think a lot of other people would too, especially if they give Gold subscribers a discount. Plus, more people would get gold because then they get Arena at discount, and HD Championship. Good post, my friend. You're always good with words, and this time was no different. | ||
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
However, the referral system mentioned at the beginning is not good and I think that some sort of open forum needs to be had in devising an adequate method of revenue sharing. But yes... One of the issues being that MLG's content hasnt bee previewed for the Arena is one thing that makes me think negatively about the $20.. But for me I will spend the $20 and then if it turns out not to be worth $20 I will /whine all over the internet. Alex is better at writing than I am, but he has hit some points I've been making right on the head. Nice post! | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
"Access to HQ Pro Circuit Streams" Sources: http://forums.majorleaguegaming.com/topic/258885-mlg-gold-membership-gift-cards/ http://reflectzyn.com/competitive-gaming/2011/06/22/mlg-memberships-a-progressive-step-for-competitive-gaming/ Except now it only provides: "Access to MLG Pro Circuit Championship Broadcasts in HD" Source: http://assets0.www.mlg-cdn.com/membership Don't tell me that the Winter Arena isn't part of the MLG Circuit for 2012 and that it isn't filled with professional players, because it is both. They just changed the names around. And this my friends, is called bait and switch, and it is illegal. Bait-and-switch is a form of fraud, most commonly used in retail sales but also applicable to other contexts. First, customers are "baited" by advertising for a product or service at a low price; second, the customers discover that the advertised good is not available and are "switched" to a costlier product. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bait-and-switch If you paid for your MLG Membership with a Credit Card, dispute the charge! Here is some information to help you guys dispute the charges: Amex Cards: http://search.americanexpress.com/app/answers/display/a_id/706 Visa: http://usa.visa.com/merchants/operations/chargebacks_dispute_resolution/index.html Mastercard: http://www.mastercard.us/support/transaction-dispute.html Discover: https://www.discover.com/credit-cards/help-center/faqs/disputes.html | ||
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esotericc
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show.me
Sweden37 Posts
If I had known this was coming beforehand, I would never had payed that sum of money for watching three MLGs in HD. | ||
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cydereal
United States193 Posts
If you want to watch some of MLG that weekend but don't like the idea of shelling out, please, find your local Barcraft and show up! Buy a plate of nachos or something for $10 and watch the matches in good company. | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
On February 14 2012 15:56 BronzeKnee wrote: This is what my Gold Membership was supposed to provide when I bought it: "Access to HQ Pro Circuit Streams" Sources: http://forums.majorleaguegaming.com/topic/258885-mlg-gold-membership-gift-cards/ http://reflectzyn.com/competitive-gaming/2011/06/22/mlg-memberships-a-progressive-step-for-competitive-gaming/ Except now it only provides: "Access to MLG Pro Circuit Championship Broadcasts in HD" Source: http://assets0.www.mlg-cdn.com/membership Don't tell me that the Winter Arena isn't part of the MLG Circuit for 2012 and that it isn't filled with professional players, because it is both. They just changed the names around. And this my friends, is called bait and switch, and it is illegal. Bait-and-switch is a form of fraud, most commonly used in retail sales but also applicable to other contexts. First, customers are "baited" by advertising for a product or service at a low price; second, the customers discover that the advertised good is not available and are "switched" to a costlier product. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bait-and-switch If you paid for your MLG Membership with a Credit Card, dispute the charge! Here is some information to help you guys dispute the charges: Amex Cards: http://search.americanexpress.com/app/answers/display/a_id/706 Visa: http://usa.visa.com/merchants/operations/chargebacks_dispute_resolution/index.html Mastercard: http://www.mastercard.us/support/transaction-dispute.html Discover: https://www.discover.com/credit-cards/help-center/faqs/disputes.html The Arena is not a Pro Circuit event... | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
It just doesn't make sense to create a great competitive event and then expose it to as few people as possible... especially for something like pro gaming, which has so much room to grow if more people were exposed to it. There's a damn good reason that virtually every sport or competitive event in the world (besides boxing) puts on a free show and makes their income through sponsorship and advertising. You want to build a large fanbase who will tune in for all the big events, so you can make more and more advertising money. The PPV format is just plain stupid. It only succeeds for boxing and pro wrestling, which feature "special attraction" events that you will not see anywhere else unless you take this one chance to watch it. But this doesn't apply to pro gaming... why would you pay $20 to see Korean pros face each other, when you can see it for free every week or two, or almost every day if you're awake during GSL hours? It really pains me to see one of the largest forces in e-sports latch on to these completely wrong-headed ideas like PPV, restricting content, and Extended Series. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On February 14 2012 15:56 BronzeKnee wrote: This is what my Gold Membership was supposed to provide when I bought it: "Access to HQ Pro Circuit Streams" Sources: http://forums.majorleaguegaming.com/topic/258885-mlg-gold-membership-gift-cards/ http://reflectzyn.com/competitive-gaming/2011/06/22/mlg-memberships-a-progressive-step-for-competitive-gaming/ Except now it only provides: "Access to MLG Pro Circuit Championship Broadcasts in HD" Source: http://assets0.www.mlg-cdn.com/membership Don't tell me that the Winter Arena isn't part of the MLG Circuit for 2012 and that it isn't filled with professional players, because it is both. They just changed the names around. And this my friends, is called bait and switch, and it is illegal. Bait-and-switch is a form of fraud, most commonly used in retail sales but also applicable to other contexts. First, customers are "baited" by advertising for a product or service at a low price; second, the customers discover that the advertised good is not available and are "switched" to a costlier product. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bait-and-switch If you paid for your MLG Membership with a Credit Card, dispute the charge! Here is some information to help you guys dispute the charges: Amex Cards: http://search.americanexpress.com/app/answers/display/a_id/706 Visa: http://usa.visa.com/merchants/operations/chargebacks_dispute_resolution/index.html Mastercard: http://www.mastercard.us/support/transaction-dispute.html Discover: https://www.discover.com/credit-cards/help-center/faqs/disputes.html While I don't think disputing the charge is a great idea right off the bat, I do think that it should be noted that MLG did play this very sketchily. I, luckily, didn't shell out the money for Gold membership because I don't get paid until this coming Thursday. I'll probably still end up paying to watch because not only do I enjoy watching, it's part of my (other) job to keep tabs on just about every player I can. | ||
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SC2.PiXL
United States35 Posts
I do, however, think that $20 is quite to high. I will be the first to say that there is not an org. that I would give my money to faster than eSports, but this is a bit to much. I am a GOLD MEMBER on MLG and I feel a bit cheated that I have to pay the same that everyone else has to, ONTOP of my membership fee's. Then comes the question, will i continue to be a GOLD MEMBER even if I have to pay the same amount, the answer is up in the air at this point. Im torn on what to do. I want to be able to support MLG in anyway I can, but at the same time, I can't afford it.. D: what to do, is that big question...!!! Over all, I think that this is something that needs to be atleast tried to figure out whether or not it will work. (imo if the price was lower, it would work much better) So I will be forking over the extra $20 to have my mind blown as EG takes 1/4th place!!! Mad respect to you, Alex, TEAM EG, and all of the MLG staff!!!! Hope you find my thoughts helpful, Tommy | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
Wrong. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/the-first-details-about-the-mlg-2012-pro-circuit "The 2012 MLG Pro Circuit will be made up of four distinct Seasons, each with their own Live Championship Event." The circuit is the entire season, the championship event is just the conclusion in MLG's own words. Orginally Gold Members were given "Access to HQ Pro Circuit Streams" for one year, and it changed to "Access to MLG Pro Circuit Championship Broadcasts in HD". "The 2012 MLG Pro Circuit is a series of live events running throughout 2012. This is the third year to include StarCraft 2, a game that continues to rise in prominence in MLG events." http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit That is bait and switch. I should receive access to all Pro Circuit events with my Gold Membership until it expires. | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
On February 14 2012 16:00 VirgilSC2 wrote: While I don't think disputing the charge is a great idea right off the bat, I do think that it should be noted that MLG did play this very sketchily. I, luckily, didn't shell out the money for Gold membership because I don't get paid until this coming Thursday. I'll probably still end up paying to watch because not only do I enjoy watching, it's part of my (other) job to keep tabs on just about every player I can. I'm not defending what they did but encouraging people to chargeback is not what should be happening right now I agree with Virgil | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On February 14 2012 15:56 FXOpen wrote: For once I agree with everything that Alex has said about MLG. However, the referral system mentioned at the beginning is not good and I think that some sort of open forum needs to be had in devising an adequate method of revenue sharing. But yes... One of the issues being that MLG's content hasnt bee previewed for the Arena is one thing that makes me think negatively about the $20.. But for me I will spend the $20 and then if it turns out not to be worth $20 I will /whine all over the internet. Alex is better at writing than I am, but he has hit some points I've been making right on the head. Nice post! A rarity indeed. There is one thing I don't agree with however. I would never pay for something and voice my concerns after the fact because once you paid. You paid. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
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where_
Australia53 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On February 14 2012 16:02 Raelcun wrote: I'm not defending what they did but encouraging people to chargeback is not what should be happening right now I agree with Virgil To each their own I suppose. I don't like paying for things then not receiving what I paid for. | ||
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a9arnn
United States1537 Posts
On February 14 2012 15:56 BronzeKnee wrote:+ Show Spoiler + This is what my Gold Membership was supposed to provide when I bought it: "Access to HQ Pro Circuit Streams" Sources: http://forums.majorleaguegaming.com/topic/258885-mlg-gold-membership-gift-cards/ http://reflectzyn.com/competitive-gaming/2011/06/22/mlg-memberships-a-progressive-step-for-competitive-gaming/ Except now it only provides: "Access to MLG Pro Circuit Championship Broadcasts in HD" Source: http://assets0.www.mlg-cdn.com/membership Don't tell me that the Winter Arena isn't part of the MLG Circuit for 2012 and that it isn't filled with professional players, because it is both. They just changed the names around. And this my friends, is called bait and switch, and it is illegal. Bait-and-switch is a form of fraud, most commonly used in retail sales but also applicable to other contexts. First, customers are "baited" by advertising for a product or service at a low price; second, the customers discover that the advertised good is not available and are "switched" to a costlier product. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bait-and-switch If you paid for your MLG Membership with a Credit Card, dispute the charge! Here is some information to help you guys dispute the charges: Amex Cards: http://search.americanexpress.com/app/answers/display/a_id/706 Visa: http://usa.visa.com/merchants/operations/chargebacks_dispute_resolution/index.html Mastercard: http://www.mastercard.us/support/transaction-dispute.html Discover: https://www.discover.com/credit-cards/help-center/faqs/disputes.html Well the arena isn't a Pro Circuit event, it's an offline qualifier of sorts to precede the main event of Cbus (Seeing as the event's not open to the public/etc.). | ||
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