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Criticism is allowed. Undue flaming is not. Take a second to think your post through before you submit.

Bans will be handed out.

Should go without saying, but don't link restreams here either.
GGessence
Profile Joined July 2011
United States13 Posts
February 14 2012 21:49 GMT
#3021
i didnt pay a cent to watch "the Superbowl" at my house why would a Sc2 competition be any different?
Wateke
RajaF
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada530 Posts
February 14 2012 21:50 GMT
#3022
On February 15 2012 06:39 Thorantham wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 07:52 Dodgin wrote:
Guess I am watching assembly.

They are really shooting themselves in the foot trying to do this while another major event is going on at the same time. But I guess it is just a test.

Poll: Will you pay for this?

No (3762)
 
89%

Yes (452)
 
11%

4214 total votes

Your vote: Will you pay for this?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



After reading EGAlex's thread on the subject I am interested in the community response to a slightly different system, please vote in this poll if you did in the last one.

Poll: Would you pay if it was 10$ and 5$ for MLG Gold Members?

No (1520)
 
74%

Yes (539)
 
26%

2059 total votes

Your vote: Would you pay if it was 10$ and 5$ for MLG Gold Members?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No





And this is why esports will not be on mainstream media any time soon.


Good. I hope it never gets to mainstream media. I don't want the scene to become just another corporate wasteland.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
February 14 2012 21:50 GMT
#3023
On February 15 2012 06:46 Shiori wrote:
Personally I don't see how people would say no to less than 10$ tickets, unless they literally can't afford it. I mean, it's not a bad deal in that case. It's not too amazing, but 10$ is at least comparable to a movie ticket or something.

This, if people aren't willing to pay 10$ for a HD stream of the best players.... then we mind as well just revert back to the old days of BW with only Korean tournaments as they are really the only ones who can support the scene since its already in the 'mainstream' for them.

I'm not gonna try and say buy it just to support E-sports, just want to ask why? Why are people voting no on that last poll? How is 10$ for 3 days of HQ awesome games not worth it to you?
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
JustJonny
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada294 Posts
February 14 2012 21:50 GMT
#3024
On February 15 2012 06:49 GGessence wrote:
i didnt pay a cent to watch "the Superbowl" at my house why would a Sc2 competition be any different?


you're right. basically the same thing. /sarcasm
SMD
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada627 Posts
February 14 2012 21:51 GMT
#3025
On February 15 2012 06:49 GGessence wrote:
i didnt pay a cent to watch "the Superbowl" at my house why would a Sc2 competition be any different?


not to mention your statement is false unless you have illegal cable.....
GGessence
Profile Joined July 2011
United States13 Posts
February 14 2012 21:51 GMT
#3026
On February 15 2012 06:50 JustJonny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 06:49 GGessence wrote:
i didnt pay a cent to watch "the Superbowl" at my house why would a Sc2 competition be any different?


you're right. basically the same thing. /sarcasm



i know right dude? \sarcasm
Wateke
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
February 14 2012 21:51 GMT
#3027
On February 15 2012 06:48 Lotsa_Spaghetti wrote:
I think the MLG officials could learn from the ESL. The ESL has existed for a (at least in eSports) considerably long time and while the regular leagues are not that known outside their respective countries, the ESL brings us the IEM tournament series which is in my opinion very comparable to what the MLG tries to deliver.

I don't know the balance sheets of the ESL, but considering that it has successfully and fruitfully developed over the past years it makes me think that they have a pretty good business model.


Please do not raise ESL as standard of anything, it is down there with WCG in credibility (which is another long running ESPORTS brand - perhaps the secret to success is to suck)
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
February 14 2012 21:52 GMT
#3028
On February 15 2012 06:49 GGessence wrote:
i didnt pay a cent to watch "the Superbowl" at my house why would a Sc2 competition be any different?

You don't pay for cable? Cool shit bro!

Drawing a comparison the super bowl is the silliest thing I've ever herd. When MLG can sell 30 sec ads for millions of dollars then yea you can make that comparison....
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Damnight
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany222 Posts
February 14 2012 21:52 GMT
#3029
I agree with Mr. Bitter, but the price is too high. Make it like at the GSL with yearly tickets abonnements and 1 free stream or 2 without vods, loads of ads, bad quality, around 360p. The Premium pass, with access to all features, Vods, HD, no Ads, Premium Streams, Special content during Ad-pause, About everything you CAN deliver for "free" (no extra charge).

But PPV ain´t the way, if there are so many guys and girls protesting, there may be a drastical cut on viewers, especially the casual viewer who only watch big events, they will never be willing to pay.

I´m no buisness man, but im sure you´ll lose half your viewership of sc2, since there are way more people watching than playing and nerding around like me!
JustJonny
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada294 Posts
February 14 2012 21:52 GMT
#3030
On February 15 2012 06:51 GGessence wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 06:50 JustJonny wrote:
On February 15 2012 06:49 GGessence wrote:
i didnt pay a cent to watch "the Superbowl" at my house why would a Sc2 competition be any different?


you're right. basically the same thing. /sarcasm



i know right dude? \sarcasm


sry if you were in fact being sarcastic. so hard to tell in this thread!
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
February 14 2012 21:52 GMT
#3031
I just want to join the shitstorm real quick as a signature by me against greedyness.

If you want to charge, it's fine. For events like HSC I got the stream even if my pc couldn't handle HD and also donated some money. That's cool. 10 bucks should be a reasonable price.

But 20 bucks for 3 days? While all other tournaments have free streams. ALL the other? If you gonna make it PPV, please make it slowly and steadily and see how the viewership reacts. E.g. lowstream 5 $ HD 15 $. But this is just crazy. Bad broadcasting for EU. Terrible music in the incredibly lengthy downtimes?

HSC also had a pricepool of 35000 (I believe) thousand bucks and some players were flown in. I agree that you have more effort, but to justify that much of a difference? are you kidding me?

I can go watch a soccer game live for that money. I can get GSL for that money. Or I can save money and go watch free streams.

This will hurt eSports even though you claim to help it. More viewers => more sponsors + premium is the way to go IMO and not forced PPV.

I am angry. And I don't think this will work out for you. I sincerely hope that it doesn't.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
GGessence
Profile Joined July 2011
United States13 Posts
February 14 2012 21:52 GMT
#3032
On February 15 2012 06:51 SMD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 06:49 GGessence wrote:
i didnt pay a cent to watch "the Superbowl" at my house why would a Sc2 competition be any different?


not to mention your statement is false unless you have illegal cable.....

not illegal cable and nope i did see it free. i pay for both cable/net not even premium just he basic
Wateke
RajaF
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada530 Posts
February 14 2012 21:52 GMT
#3033
On February 15 2012 06:51 SMD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 06:49 GGessence wrote:
i didnt pay a cent to watch "the Superbowl" at my house why would a Sc2 competition be any different?


not to mention your statement is false unless you have illegal cable.....


Actually it's not false. I watched the Superbowl for free too. In HD, with my rabbit ears. Whoever pays for cable is... well a sucker.
GGessence
Profile Joined July 2011
United States13 Posts
February 14 2012 21:53 GMT
#3034
On February 15 2012 06:52 JustJonny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 06:51 GGessence wrote:
On February 15 2012 06:50 JustJonny wrote:
On February 15 2012 06:49 GGessence wrote:
i didnt pay a cent to watch "the Superbowl" at my house why would a Sc2 competition be any different?


you're right. basically the same thing. /sarcasm



i know right dude? \sarcasm


sry if you were in fact being sarcastic. so hard to tell in this thread!

i was but i wasnt at the same time but its cool xD
Wateke
legendzawk
Profile Joined October 2011
United States40 Posts
February 14 2012 21:53 GMT
#3035
There is just too much content out there from other providers for this to work. The only way this could work is if MLG somehow had a monopoly over the SC2 scene which of course, is not going to happen.
VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
February 14 2012 21:54 GMT
#3036
So wait. I won't be able to watch MLG now? Well that sucks...
VashTS; 330; Random -- Ranked #9 Pokemon Video Game Player in the World in 2009
Lotsa_Spaghetti
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany50 Posts
February 14 2012 21:54 GMT
#3037
On February 15 2012 06:51 Soap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 06:48 Lotsa_Spaghetti wrote:
I think the MLG officials could learn from the ESL. The ESL has existed for a (at least in eSports) considerably long time and while the regular leagues are not that known outside their respective countries, the ESL brings us the IEM tournament series which is in my opinion very comparable to what the MLG tries to deliver.

I don't know the balance sheets of the ESL, but considering that it has successfully and fruitfully developed over the past years it makes me think that they have a pretty good business model.


Please do not raise ESL as standard of anything, it is down there with WCG in credibility (which is another long running ESPORTS brand - perhaps the secret to success is to suck)


Credibility? What do you mean by that? They give us eSports. For real.
この俺も悲しみを背負う事が出来た。
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
February 14 2012 21:55 GMT
#3038
On February 15 2012 06:50 JustJonny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 06:49 GGessence wrote:
i didnt pay a cent to watch "the Superbowl" at my house why would a Sc2 competition be any different?


you're right. basically the same thing. /sarcasm

hahaha got an irl chuckle out of me
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GGessence
Profile Joined July 2011
United States13 Posts
February 14 2012 21:56 GMT
#3039
On February 15 2012 06:55 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 06:50 JustJonny wrote:
On February 15 2012 06:49 GGessence wrote:
i didnt pay a cent to watch "the Superbowl" at my house why would a Sc2 competition be any different?


you're right. basically the same thing. /sarcasm

hahaha got an irl chuckle out of me

good man xD
Wateke
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
February 14 2012 21:56 GMT
#3040
On February 15 2012 06:52 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 06:49 GGessence wrote:
i didnt pay a cent to watch "the Superbowl" at my house why would a Sc2 competition be any different?

You don't pay for cable? Cool shit bro!

Drawing a comparison the super bowl is the silliest thing I've ever herd. When MLG can sell 30 sec ads for millions of dollars then yea you can make that comparison....


Super Bowl is on network TV, anyone can watch it.

I wonder how many people would be willing to pay to watch football, or baseball, soccer(also known as football) or whatever other sports. Almost all of them have some type or premium service, and they do have quite a few subscribers. But what would happen to, say baseball, if it went to a PPV format for the world series. How many people would still watch it? (I honestly don't know, I think it's just something interesting to consider)
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
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