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Fnatic add aLive and Hwanni to the team! - Page 6

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FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 04:44:25
February 01 2012 04:43 GMT
#101
I got this feeling we will see Fnatic and IM have some sort of partnership in future..
hwanni is good at making connections
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
hyperknight
Profile Joined May 2011
294 Posts
February 01 2012 04:43 GMT
#102
aLive's addition to the fnatic.sc2 roster just made fnatic one of the best foreigner teams out there.


Also, I dont know what Hwanni's role is, but you can be 100% sure that fnatic have some major plans for their fnatic.sc2 team. I can smell the first foreigner team (fnatic)'s very own Korean training house incoming!
"you 6poll?" - aLive to IdrA on NASL Sunday Showmatch, Feb 2012
Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
February 01 2012 04:43 GMT
#103
On February 01 2012 13:12 MrCash wrote:
Happy for Alive and that this whole ordeal got settled.
I still have a bad taste in my mouth about the way fnatic handle the situation. It seems pretty obvious at this point they were not being truthful when they stated they were not attempting to recruit alive and had no influence on him leaving TSL.
I generally support foreign teams, in hopes of foreign teams performing better, but I'm really not inclined to support a foreign team who's focus is poaching Korean stars.
I still like alive and hopes he succeeds, however I have 0 inclination to root for fnatic the way I would instinctively root for anyone from Team Liquid or EG or Dignitias.
Also if people want to bring up TSL poor history of player retention, look no further than the wiki on fnatic for much lengthier list of "Former Players".


The thing that really bugs me about "poaching" is that people's arguments always seem to ignore player's choice in the matter.

Regardless of whether or not fnatic is great at holding onto players of thier own, it is still the player's decision and desire that leads them to another team.
Merikh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States918 Posts
February 01 2012 04:51 GMT
#104
lol tired of the " TSL lost another player", remember aLive wanted to leave from the get go. Someone or something is fucking up in TSL if good players keep leaving.
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yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 04:55:30
February 01 2012 04:55 GMT
#105
Horrah for Hwanni!
Honestly came out of no where and is a huge shock.
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
weeA
Profile Joined October 2010
India442 Posts
February 01 2012 04:57 GMT
#106
Fnatic has a sick line up now!!! GSTL Win soon!!
Lim Yo Hwan I love U
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
February 01 2012 05:00 GMT
#107
Great pickup for Fnatic. aLive is a fucking monster. Hope to see him tearing up more tournaments soon
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kurrysauce
Profile Joined October 2010
272 Posts
February 01 2012 05:00 GMT
#108
Why is losira on the banner on the top? or am I mistaking him for another player.
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 05:04:45
February 01 2012 05:02 GMT
#109
On February 01 2012 13:43 Angel_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 13:12 MrCash wrote:
Happy for Alive and that this whole ordeal got settled.
I still have a bad taste in my mouth about the way fnatic handle the situation. It seems pretty obvious at this point they were not being truthful when they stated they were not attempting to recruit alive and had no influence on him leaving TSL.
I generally support foreign teams, in hopes of foreign teams performing better, but I'm really not inclined to support a foreign team who's focus is poaching Korean stars.
I still like alive and hopes he succeeds, however I have 0 inclination to root for fnatic the way I would instinctively root for anyone from Team Liquid or EG or Dignitias.
Also if people want to bring up TSL poor history of player retention, look no further than the wiki on fnatic for much lengthier list of "Former Players".


The thing that really bugs me about "poaching" is that people's arguments always seem to ignore player's choice in the matter.

Regardless of whether or not fnatic is great at holding onto players of thier own, it is still the player's decision and desire that leads them to another team.


Actually I do prefer the players to get what is best for them.
However, the term "poaching" is often used too loosely. If a team is interested in a player, they should approach him and make an offer. If a players likes it, he should take it. Afterwards, either the approaching team or the player have to pay the appropriate consequences, in this case breach of contract penalties.
Poaching, at least to me, is when people try to attain players through nefarious or immoral means, especially if they are aware those actions are immoral. Much like poaching of Rhino horns. They might know it's wrong and don't care.
If fnatic believed what they were doing was not immoral or wrong, they wouldn't have lied about attempting to recruit alive. It feels apparent they were simply trying to dodge the attached penalties of a contract transfer.

So to simplify, I am happy for alive (and every player who can improve his own life/career), I do not respect fnatic's actions. Seeing fnatic's history though, I am also worried about their ability to help him grow. Many of these players are young and the industry is not well developed, plenty of cracks in the system to fall through.
kochujang
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1226 Posts
February 01 2012 05:05 GMT
#110
When I start to think about this, it seems that Hwanni is the alternative solution Fnatic talked about when they did not go through with the co-operation with TSL. Yeah, it looks like Fnatic is soon to open a team house in Seoul.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 01 2012 05:15 GMT
#111
I love Hwanni, congrats to him! great pick-up!
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
February 01 2012 05:15 GMT
#112
Whoa, Hwanni too? Fnatic starting to become a super sick organisation in sc2!
#freeshauni
drgonzhere
Profile Joined November 2010
United States447 Posts
February 01 2012 05:20 GMT
#113
Hwanni Time!!!!
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mcmartini
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1972 Posts
February 01 2012 05:21 GMT
#114
Congratulations to Fnatic, Hwanni and aLive
I just want to say I have 370 APM - Liquid'Tyler SotG 14-12-2011 "I mean it's too bad you can't be paid to be, you know, a chicken shit fucking whiny bitch on the internet or we would have lots of rich community members" Nick "Tasteless" Plott
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
February 01 2012 05:25 GMT
#115
I feel bad for Lee in spite of his mistakes. How would it feel if you were Lee. Interested to see Hwanni there though.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
February 01 2012 05:26 GMT
#116
Congrats to Hwanni and aLive, and I hope Fnatic has learned its lesson (ok aLive too but he's still a kid so there's time to mature).
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10889 Posts
February 01 2012 05:27 GMT
#117
Hwanni the korean guy who was always doing korean translations back in BW? If so this is so awesome
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
TBA
Profile Joined December 2011
92 Posts
February 01 2012 05:30 GMT
#118
a lot of traitors in tsl, poor coach lee
Grubby ~ MVP ~ TLO ~ TigerToss ~ GoD
slytown
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)1411 Posts
February 01 2012 05:36 GMT
#119
damn. Hwanni and Alive. Fnatic just got rich.
The best Flash meme ever: http://imgur.com/zquoK
Zim23
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1681 Posts
February 01 2012 05:37 GMT
#120
Hopefully everyone on TSL could find a great new home and we can end that team's reign of terror.
Do an arranged marriage if she's not completely minging, and don't worry about dancing, get a go-kart, cheers.
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