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heha
Australia425 Posts
Does anyone know anything about this? Search thread only reveals a small mention about it in the Moon joins Fnatic thread, if this isn't enough for an OP I'm sorry please close >.< Edit: From Page 3 From Boss on Page 4 On January 18 2012 22:06 FXOpen wrote: Koreans told me "Guinea pig leave cos he want to go USA". | ||
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PaPoolee
United Arab Emirates660 Posts
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Grampz
United States2147 Posts
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Firesilver
United Kingdom1190 Posts
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QxGRockEr
United States191 Posts
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Terrakin
United States1440 Posts
On January 18 2012 18:59 PaPoolee wrote: Wow whats up with all these pros leaving their teams O.O a lot of the reason is because they think foreign teams will want them, I do not know for this case of course | ||
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ChriS-X
Malaysia1374 Posts
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heha
Australia425 Posts
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
P -> R -> P -> (R?) -> T -> P .............. | ||
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Ruscour
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imPermanenCe
Netherlands595 Posts
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heha
Australia425 Posts
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
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Azera
3800 Posts
You guys heard it here first. | ||
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RuMCaKe
United States559 Posts
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snowhell
United States57 Posts
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MrMercuG
Netherlands2389 Posts
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joofro92
United States108 Posts
Sad to see him leave. Hope he finds a new team soon. | ||
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Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
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Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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Grovbolle
Denmark3805 Posts
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
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yawnoC
United States3704 Posts
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ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
On January 18 2012 19:40 yawnoC wrote: Wonder where he will go ... GuineapigPRIME, oGsGuineapig, STGuineapig, FXO.Guineapig, IMGuineapig ... they all sound good to me ^_^ or ForeignerTeamGuineaPig | ||
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ToastieNL
Netherlands845 Posts
Evil Guinea Pig ! | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On January 18 2012 19:40 yawnoC wrote: Wonder where he will go ... GuineapigPRIME, oGsGuineapig, STGuineapig, FXO.Guineapig, IMGuineapig ... they all sound good to me ^_^ EGGuineapig, Liquid`Guineapig, coLGuineapig, QGuineapig, FanaticMSI.Guineapig ... they all sound pretty good to guineapig. >_> | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
Team Artosis! | ||
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Mouzone
3937 Posts
On January 18 2012 19:28 MrMercuG wrote: Wow, another one, someone needs to tell the Korean pros that they will be better players when on Korean teams On the other hand they will be richer players on foreign teams. | ||
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KicKDoG
Sweden765 Posts
Never thought Gunieapig would leave MvP in a while. Guess hes interested in a foreign team? Time will tell  | ||
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Haydin
United States1481 Posts
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
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MrMercuG
Netherlands2389 Posts
On January 18 2012 20:29 Mouzone wrote: On the other hand they will be richer players on foreign teams. Depends on what team they are on, TSL is quite rich, also SlayerS ofcourse, but they have alot of players, and some earn more than the others Like Golden that wants to join a foreign team, probably isn't going to earn as much as let's say Moon. | ||
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Zorgaz
Sweden2951 Posts
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snowhell
United States57 Posts
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keeperton
United States233 Posts
On January 18 2012 19:40 yawnoC wrote: Wonder where he will go ... GuineapigPRIME, oGsGuineapig, STGuineapig, FXO.Guineapig, IMGuineapig ... they all sound good to me ^_^ He's been on Prime before. | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On January 18 2012 20:43 snowhell wrote: you think TSL is rich? TSL is one of the poorest teams. TSL is actually the richest team in Korea (alongside ST). TSL send their players to foreign event without any foreign support, and they also give all their players salary (them not recieving salary any longer is not true!) | ||
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parazice
Thailand5517 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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Mario1209
United States1077 Posts
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DrPandaPhD
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snowhell
United States57 Posts
On January 18 2012 20:59 Eee wrote: TSL is actually the richest team in Korea (alongside ST). TSL send their players to foreign event without any foreign support, and they also give all their players salary (them not recieving salary any longer is not true!) they are still one of the poorest. I can think of alteast 5 teams richer. | ||
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MrMercuG
Netherlands2389 Posts
On January 18 2012 21:23 snowhell wrote: they are still one of the poorest. I can think of alteast 5 teams richer. Say it then, because you will be suprised. | ||
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iNViCiOUZ
Germany364 Posts
brassmonkeyoe: Why did you leave MVP, Guineapig? Broadcaster sc2guineapig: i » have » interview » korea » um from his stream chat 2 mins ago | ||
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Rampager
Australia1007 Posts
I'd hate to see GuineaPig suffer from no team wanting to pick him up, he was always entertaining to watch and played well for MVP in the GSTL. | ||
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snowhell
United States57 Posts
On January 18 2012 21:30 MrMercuG wrote: Say it then, because you will be suprised. oh please fill me in on TSL's finances. didnt realize the TSL accountant was in this thread. | ||
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Detwiler
United States239 Posts
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MrMercuG
Netherlands2389 Posts
On January 18 2012 21:37 snowhell wrote: oh please fill me in on TSL's finances. didnt realize the TSL accountant was in this thread. You said you knew atleast 5 korean teams richer than TSL, and I said that it's not true. so yeah. Only like SlayerS and ST are richer than TSL. | ||
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Jojo131
Brazil1631 Posts
On January 18 2012 21:37 snowhell wrote: oh please fill me in on TSL's finances. didnt realize the TSL accountant was in this thread. So... you cant name them can you? inb4 random teams + "you dont know either" | ||
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iNViCiOUZ
Germany364 Posts
brassmonkeyoe: do you plan on joining a foreigner team Guineapig? Broadcaster sc2guineapig: don't know, i just finding team now ... | ||
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Ollie
United States144 Posts
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CluEleSs_UK
United Kingdom583 Posts
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Xcobidoo
Sweden1871 Posts
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discobaas
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
GP was like DRG's little brother! So sad ![[image loading]](http://news.replays.net/Uploads/photo/20110518/201105181101571321.jpg) | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On January 18 2012 21:41 MrMercuG wrote: You said you knew atleast 5 korean teams richer than TSL, and I said that it's not true. so yeah. Only like SlayerS and ST are richer than TSL. What about FXO, IM and prime? | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On January 18 2012 20:15 Tyrant0 wrote: EGGuineapig, Liquid`Guineapig, coLGuineapig, QGuineapig, FanaticMSI.Guineapig ... they all sound pretty good to guineapig. >_> Fnatic doesn't have any non wc3 korean players :p | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
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Abort Retry Fail
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
On January 18 2012 19:29 joofro92 wrote: One of my favorite random players Sad to see him leave. Hope he finds a new team soon.how many are there? lol | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
On January 18 2012 22:06 FXOpen wrote: Koreans told me "Guinea pig leave cos he want to go USA". Seriously? Another one? How much more is this gonna go on for. Its better to stay in your current korean team. Instead of having a very high risk gamble of waiting/looking for a foreign team to pick you up | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On January 18 2012 22:06 FXOpen wrote: Koreans told me "Guinea pig leave cos he want to go USA". Fuck yeah USA USA USA. Heh. Good luck to him. MVP looks like an awesome team from what I can gather from Genius and DRG and SC and so forth. Would hate to leave home. | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
Prime is pretty damn poor from what I understand. They didn't even have a SPONSOR until TT eSports came along. And don't bother pointing out that Chicken thing, that ran out like a good 6 months ago. To get an idea of how many sponsors a team has, you can check Team's Liquidpedia pages: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Team_SCV_Life http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Incredible_Miracle http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Old_Generations http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/MvP_(team) http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HoSeo http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/SlayerS http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Prime | ||
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
Which I personally think is a mistake. | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
Neither IM and Prime have that much money really, both teams have been unable to give salaries to the players and neither have they been able to send their players to foreign events (the exception beeing when IM was under Quantic, and MKPs reddit fiananced tour to MLG and ESWC). TSL have been sending their players to foreign tournaments without foreign funding for a long time now, no team besides SlayerS and Startale have been able to do that. TSL is stll the only/on of few team/s that pays their players salaries. TSL have strong sponsors in form of G.Skill, Western Digital, Sky Digital and many others. | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On January 18 2012 22:11 FXOpen wrote: Unless things dont work for guineapig i dont see him joining another korean team. Which I personally think is a mistake. Always a mistake when a korean leaves for a foreigner team IMO | ||
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
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pStar
996 Posts
If we look at all the possibilites. -EG -TL -Mouz -Dignitas -Complexity -Quantic The only teams that I can think of that would pick up a player of his caliber. And they don't really even need another player. | ||
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rems
Netherlands186 Posts
On January 18 2012 22:43 pStar wrote: The problem is, what foreigner team will want to pick him up. If we look at all the possibilites. -EG -TL -Mouz -Dignitas -Complexity -Quantic The only teams that I can think of that would pick up a player of his caliber. And they don't really even need another player. Fnatic? | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On January 18 2012 22:43 pStar wrote: The problem is, what foreigner team will want to pick him up. If we look at all the possibilites. -EG -TL -Mouz -Dignitas -Complexity -Quantic The only teams that I can think of that would pick up a player of his caliber. And they don't really even need another player. Wont be joining Col, Mouz, and Dig. Dont see why he would leave mvp to join coL. MVP players weren't really that fond of Naniwa either i belive, so dont think Quantic either. | ||
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Nazeron
Canada1046 Posts
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Versioned
United Kingdom73 Posts
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00Visor
4337 Posts
On January 18 2012 23:05 Versioned wrote: Are they doing this because the foreign scene is where the money is at? Yes. And this was bound to happen. Money in the foreign scene, skilled players in the korean scene. Everyone is preparing for a new record year 2012 with bigger pricepools while the GSL effectively reduced their pool by having fewer events. And the GSL is everything the Koreans have. I don't really find it strange. It exists in other sports, like brazilian soccer players. In fact, Guineapig shows more commitment than other programers by stating he wants to actually move to the US. Maybe he also has some other reasons for this. | ||
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Ghrimnar
Germany260 Posts
On January 18 2012 20:32 Haydin wrote: Now is the time contracts are up. I think we're only at the start of the free agents/team switching Very possible. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On January 18 2012 23:12 00Visor wrote: Yes. And this was bound to happen. Money in the foreign scene, skilled players in the korean scene. Everyone is preparing for a new record year 2012 with bigger pricepools while the GSL effectively reduced their pool by having fewer events. And the GSL is everything the Koreans have. I don't really find it strange. It exists in other sports, like brazilian soccer players. In fact, Guineapig shows more commitment than other programers by stating he wants to actually move to the US. Maybe he also has some other reasons for this. The problem is that Korea is where you want to go to improve the most. There is a high monetary incentive for these players to join foreign teams but it comes at a probably cost to their skill. Generally in other sports the money is where the talent is. Unfortunately for SC2, that is not the case ;\. I think this can be a somewhat large problem if more and more Korean pros try to pull the same stunts. It just can't be good for the scene having all these top talent prospects looking to join second rate teams because they can offer more money than a top Korean team.. | ||
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Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
On January 18 2012 22:43 pStar wrote: The problem is, what foreigner team will want to pick him up. If we look at all the possibilites. -EG -TL -Mouz -Dignitas -Complexity -Quantic The only teams that I can think of that would pick up a player of his caliber. And they don't really even need another player. Not sure if trolling but I could definitely see eSahara, CheckSix or Fnatic pick him up | ||
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BadgerBadger8264
Netherlands409 Posts
Another one? How much more is this gonna go on for. Its better to stay in your current korean team. Instead of having a very high risk gamble of waiting/looking for a foreign team to pick you up They earn practically nothing in Korea, considering the GSL only happens every 2 months now and you have to be placed deep within Code S every time to earn a decent amount of money, there's also very little small cups in Korea to earn money from and few teams offer steady salary. Considering the worst foreign players earn tenfold what the worst Korean players do, and the fact that the worst Korean players are better than the best foreign players, it really isn't that much of a risk. | ||
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gullberg
Sweden1301 Posts
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michielbrands
Netherlands1146 Posts
Of course this will clash with the salaries the Korean teams can offer. In WC3 this was no other, there were no big Koreans teams, almost all Koreans played for big international or Chinese teams. | ||
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Alvis
876 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/teIeD.jpg) | ||
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Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
On January 18 2012 23:48 Alvis wrote: Guineapig may join Fnatic since he is good friend with rain. Find one pick with them together > they are good friends | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
On January 18 2012 22:43 pStar wrote: The problem is, what foreigner team will want to pick him up. If we look at all the possibilites. -EG -TL -Mouz -Dignitas -Complexity -Quantic The only teams that I can think of that would pick up a player of his caliber. And they don't really even need another player. Well mouz could use some top Korean player... but it looks like they concentrate on Europeans only  | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
I can't really think who will sign him though because he's not got the fanbase for any decent ROI for major foreign teams and clearly he's left for money so isn't realistic for minor foreign teams. Reign is probably most likely if he wants to live in the US. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44320 Posts
MVP is so good (still good) and Guineapig is awesome! Hopefully he gets scooped up quickly! | ||
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parazice
Thailand5517 Posts
what a point to join if in the end a big gun like MMA(SlayerS 'll support him for sure) DRG(Dam DRG is true foreign money hunter) MVP(if IM want to send him) MC(Now with SK support) Bomber(Red bull) and more (Nestea Lenock Puma Hero etc) 'll waiting for them(and most of them 'll get a seed) if you can't win against them in Korea then i can't see you do better in foreign tournament or maybe they only want some salaries dam..... better to find a new job | ||
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ElusoryX
Singapore2047 Posts
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On January 18 2012 23:48 Choboo wrote: Find one pick with them together > they are good friends Well they are. The context of the pic was Rain was leaving to the States and Guineapig (even though no longer on TSL at that time) was the only one who came to visit him. Nonetheless I don't think Guineapig will really be able to make it into a big team. His results and popularity are not really that big to warrant interest from any of the bigger teams. | ||
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Mario1209
United States1077 Posts
On January 19 2012 00:02 Ragoo wrote: Well mouz could use some top Korean player... but it looks like they concentrate on Europeans only yeah, mouz's roster is pretty small and they don't have a korean. he'd be a good pick up. | ||
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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ballasdontcry
Canada595 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:18 Sif_ wrote: koreans should stay in their korean teams. whats the point in rooting for liquid or eg against korean domination if you're rooting for a korean anyways? pretty sure not everyone has such a nationalistic view. i just wanna see good players, i really don't give a hoot what country they're from. | ||
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:18 Sif_ wrote: koreans should stay in their korean teams. whats the point in rooting for liquid or eg against korean domination if you're rooting for a korean anyways? It's not just about rooting against korean domination, some people just want to root for their favourite player or team. Whether they're Korean or Foreigner doesn't really matter to some of us. | ||
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Arjofski
England43 Posts
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:18 Sif_ wrote: koreans should stay in their korean teams. whats the point in rooting for liquid or eg against korean domination if you're rooting for a korean anyways? Because not everyone is a racist. | ||
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
so rooting for foreigner makes someone a racist? i guess you learn something new everyday anyway, i like the clash of foreigner vs koreans..wouldnt like seeing foreigner teams with their aces from korea. and i also feel like those players leaving korean teams to join foreigner ones just want it easy, to compete with lesser skilled players, kind of giving up their shot at the top level of progamers | ||
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DaCruise
Denmark2457 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:04 Mario1209 wrote: yeah, mouz's roster is pretty small and they don't have a korean. he'd be a good pick up. Well personally I hope Mouse stays 100% european or at least foreign. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
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Tarotis
Germany1931 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:33 Arjofski wrote: All this drama and no reddit. So true, so true...:D Good luck to Guineapig for finding a new team! | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
If in the end it's korea vs korea all the time it will get boring very fast.. There must be a incentive and a protection for new players in EU & NA, it can't be 100% koreans all the time, the same players over & over.. The brazilians are the best football players in the world but no one wouldn't want a 100% brazilian league in any european country or a champions league with 50% brazilian, 25% argentinians and the rest euro players.. right? Foreign teams should only pickup top koreans so that they can teach us something, it's way easier to relate to a euro or north american than a korean that doesn't even talk any english. So yeah i love koreans, i want to visit south korea but EG&TL should not be TSL or IM and IPL,MLG & Nasl shouldn't try to be GSL.. because we allready have 1 GSL! It's not a matter of racism, it's a matter of keeping it interesting for the fans, because if you only like koreans you can follow and support a korean team but someday us foreigners won't have any good team to support because all of them will be full of koreans.. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:48 Sif_ wrote: so rooting for foreigner makes someone a racist? i guess you learn something new everyday anyway, i like the clash of foreigner vs koreans..wouldnt like seeing foreigner teams with their aces from korea. and i also feel like those players leaving korean teams to join foreigner ones just want it easy, to compete with lesser skilled players, kind of giving up their shot at the top level of progamers Rooting for all foreigners over all Koreans and not wanting Koreans to be involved in the foreign scene and join foreign teams makes you a racist, yes. Supporting players from your own country is fine and understandable. But someone from Sweden blindly supporting everyone from America, China and Brazil over Korea based purely on nationality is pretty damn weird. People should just support the players who's play they like the best. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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Synwave
United States2803 Posts
Good luck to Guineapig though, I really liked watching his play! | ||
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xxgeffxx
United States119 Posts
edit: oh and I should say, I don't think this is completed unexpected: isn't the vast majority of sc2 professionals ones who didn't want to be punching bags to the top tier BW professionals(who even now make way more than sc2 professionals)? MVP made the switch in this respect to be a big fish in a smaller pond. I'd imagine this sort of behavior will continue until being a small fish in a big pond will be the equivalent financially of being a bigger fish in a small pond. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On January 19 2012 03:53 xxgeffxx wrote: shoot next thing you know someone like SK_MC, mvp, or nestea will be joining a foreign team. the smarter ones probably wont jump ship until they have a solid landing to put there feet on (and that could be a foreign team, or market popularity etc) You're a little late there. | ||
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
;-) | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
With only 5 gsl this year as well, the korean money will be harder to come by, since MVP and them will be winning it all. The people who do make it to code a/s will spend most of their time just trying to retain their spots with no real chance of actually winning a GSL and the big money. Then you have all the code b players who have no prize money to play for, unless they can get into code a/s. | ||
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PHC
United States472 Posts
On January 19 2012 01:48 Sif_ wrote: so rooting for foreigner makes someone a racist? i guess you learn something new everyday anyway, i like the clash of foreigner vs koreans..wouldnt like seeing foreigner teams with their aces from korea. and i also feel like those players leaving korean teams to join foreigner ones just want it easy, to compete with lesser skilled players, kind of giving up their shot at the top level of progamers Sif_ is racist and he doesn't even know it. Poor thing. | ||
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Kuror
United States399 Posts
This is the 8th player transfer/leaving I believe? | ||
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BrassMonkey27
Canada616 Posts
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