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On January 02 2012 06:30 CallousCarter wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 23:51 Markwerf wrote:
good stuff. Great for idra and puma to have a good protoss in their midst too. Especially idra needs to train his PvZ Huk doesn't count?
Well he said good protoss...
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On January 02 2012 10:14 Ravnemesteren wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 09:31 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 02 2012 07:57 Elefanto wrote:On January 02 2012 07:54 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 02 2012 07:50 Angelbelow wrote:On January 02 2012 01:44 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 01 2012 23:54 SeaSwift wrote:On January 01 2012 09:43 VirgilSC2 wrote:
I really wish Korean teams would get more sponsorship so that Korean players don't feel they have to join a foreign team to get foreign exposure. While I agree with you, I doubt this is an example of that. JYP just didn't have a team at all, and EG had enough money to pick him up, and wanted a good player. So they did. Oh no, this wasn't an example of that at all! That's not what I was trying to imply, JYP simply didn't fit in at TSL and I'm glad he's found a new team. Just curious, why wasn't JYP a good fit? It seems like every TSL player that makes a splash in the competitive scene they end up departing from TSL. IMO, admittingly a superficial one, I think TSL is a dysfunctional team with dysfunctional management and JYP will be much better off being away from that team. Maybe you can shed some light on the situation. JYP and Killer both didn't fit within the newly restructured and very strict practice schedule in the TSL house. Coach Lee's management of the team is far from dysfunctional, however, a lot of players (see Trickster, Fruitdealer, Clide, JYP, Killer) didn't want to put in the practice time that Coach Lee was beginning to implement, and left for "greener pastures" It should be noted that JYP is the only player to really improve after leaving the TSL house. So, Clide switches from TSL to Slayers because he didn't want to put up with the practice time? Doesn't make sense. And if i recall correctly, in a news or something, it was stated that JYP / Killer left because they thought they could get more money by joining a foreign team, and someone (i think xeris?not sure though)said that especially Killer demands a hefty salary. Clide's main reason for the switch to SlayerS was that he wanted to play along-side some of his friends on the team, but the new practice schedule was the impetus that allowed him to make the change. Again, Killer's salary was also a factor in him leaving TSL, but certainly not the main reason. So first you say they all left because of a strict schedule, but then its not because of it. Then its because of salary, but not really. There is also the issue with players not fitting? It might be I misunderstood you, but I am getting mixed messages here. Hasn't this been going on for a long time with TSL? They don't seem to be able to hold on to their players, so I get the feeling that they are doing something wrong.
So essentially what you got out of my post was:
Red is used to make Orange; Yellow is also used to make Orange -
HOLD UP, WAIT A MINUTE! You just said Red is used to make Orange, but then go and say Yellow is used to make Orange? I'm getting mixed messages here.
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On January 02 2012 11:22 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 10:14 Ravnemesteren wrote:On January 02 2012 09:31 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 02 2012 07:57 Elefanto wrote:On January 02 2012 07:54 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 02 2012 07:50 Angelbelow wrote:On January 02 2012 01:44 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 01 2012 23:54 SeaSwift wrote:On January 01 2012 09:43 VirgilSC2 wrote:
I really wish Korean teams would get more sponsorship so that Korean players don't feel they have to join a foreign team to get foreign exposure. While I agree with you, I doubt this is an example of that. JYP just didn't have a team at all, and EG had enough money to pick him up, and wanted a good player. So they did. Oh no, this wasn't an example of that at all! That's not what I was trying to imply, JYP simply didn't fit in at TSL and I'm glad he's found a new team. Just curious, why wasn't JYP a good fit? It seems like every TSL player that makes a splash in the competitive scene they end up departing from TSL. IMO, admittingly a superficial one, I think TSL is a dysfunctional team with dysfunctional management and JYP will be much better off being away from that team. Maybe you can shed some light on the situation. JYP and Killer both didn't fit within the newly restructured and very strict practice schedule in the TSL house. Coach Lee's management of the team is far from dysfunctional, however, a lot of players (see Trickster, Fruitdealer, Clide, JYP, Killer) didn't want to put in the practice time that Coach Lee was beginning to implement, and left for "greener pastures" It should be noted that JYP is the only player to really improve after leaving the TSL house. So, Clide switches from TSL to Slayers because he didn't want to put up with the practice time? Doesn't make sense. And if i recall correctly, in a news or something, it was stated that JYP / Killer left because they thought they could get more money by joining a foreign team, and someone (i think xeris?not sure though)said that especially Killer demands a hefty salary. Clide's main reason for the switch to SlayerS was that he wanted to play along-side some of his friends on the team, but the new practice schedule was the impetus that allowed him to make the change. Again, Killer's salary was also a factor in him leaving TSL, but certainly not the main reason. So first you say they all left because of a strict schedule, but then its not because of it. Then its because of salary, but not really. There is also the issue with players not fitting? It might be I misunderstood you, but I am getting mixed messages here. Hasn't this been going on for a long time with TSL? They don't seem to be able to hold on to their players, so I get the feeling that they are doing something wrong. So essentially what you got out of my post was: Red is used to make Orange; Yellow is also used to make Orange - HOLD UP, WAIT A MINUTE! You just said Red is used to make Orange, but then go and say Yellow is used to make Orange? I'm getting mixed messages here.
I think what he means, without trying to offend you, is, that you throw stuff around without any citations and claiming them to be relevant. You're basically adding 5 different reasons why they could have left, or what could have been an issue, without actually saying anything or providing citations while you make it sound like you have insider information.
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On January 02 2012 11:22 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 10:14 Ravnemesteren wrote:On January 02 2012 09:31 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 02 2012 07:57 Elefanto wrote:On January 02 2012 07:54 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 02 2012 07:50 Angelbelow wrote:On January 02 2012 01:44 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 01 2012 23:54 SeaSwift wrote:On January 01 2012 09:43 VirgilSC2 wrote:
I really wish Korean teams would get more sponsorship so that Korean players don't feel they have to join a foreign team to get foreign exposure. While I agree with you, I doubt this is an example of that. JYP just didn't have a team at all, and EG had enough money to pick him up, and wanted a good player. So they did. Oh no, this wasn't an example of that at all! That's not what I was trying to imply, JYP simply didn't fit in at TSL and I'm glad he's found a new team. Just curious, why wasn't JYP a good fit? It seems like every TSL player that makes a splash in the competitive scene they end up departing from TSL. IMO, admittingly a superficial one, I think TSL is a dysfunctional team with dysfunctional management and JYP will be much better off being away from that team. Maybe you can shed some light on the situation. JYP and Killer both didn't fit within the newly restructured and very strict practice schedule in the TSL house. Coach Lee's management of the team is far from dysfunctional, however, a lot of players (see Trickster, Fruitdealer, Clide, JYP, Killer) didn't want to put in the practice time that Coach Lee was beginning to implement, and left for "greener pastures" It should be noted that JYP is the only player to really improve after leaving the TSL house. So, Clide switches from TSL to Slayers because he didn't want to put up with the practice time? Doesn't make sense. And if i recall correctly, in a news or something, it was stated that JYP / Killer left because they thought they could get more money by joining a foreign team, and someone (i think xeris?not sure though)said that especially Killer demands a hefty salary. Clide's main reason for the switch to SlayerS was that he wanted to play along-side some of his friends on the team, but the new practice schedule was the impetus that allowed him to make the change. Again, Killer's salary was also a factor in him leaving TSL, but certainly not the main reason. So first you say they all left because of a strict schedule, but then its not because of it. Then its because of salary, but not really. There is also the issue with players not fitting? It might be I misunderstood you, but I am getting mixed messages here. Hasn't this been going on for a long time with TSL? They don't seem to be able to hold on to their players, so I get the feeling that they are doing something wrong. So essentially what you got out of my post was: Red is used to make Orange; Yellow is also used to make Orange - HOLD UP, WAIT A MINUTE! You just said Red is used to make Orange, but then go and say Yellow is used to make Orange? I'm getting mixed messages here.
this one sums it up good lol
btw, anyone has any news about any new BW players coach lee picked up? their websites still undermaintenance and they doesn't seem to use twitter that much lately.
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On January 02 2012 11:16 Seiferz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 10:48 Ravnemesteren wrote:On January 02 2012 10:23 NipponBanzai wrote:On January 02 2012 10:14 Ravnemesteren wrote:On January 02 2012 09:31 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 02 2012 07:57 Elefanto wrote:On January 02 2012 07:54 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 02 2012 07:50 Angelbelow wrote:On January 02 2012 01:44 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 01 2012 23:54 SeaSwift wrote:
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While I agree with you, I doubt this is an example of that. JYP just didn't have a team at all, and EG had enough money to pick him up, and wanted a good player. So they did. Oh no, this wasn't an example of that at all! That's not what I was trying to imply, JYP simply didn't fit in at TSL and I'm glad he's found a new team. Just curious, why wasn't JYP a good fit? It seems like every TSL player that makes a splash in the competitive scene they end up departing from TSL. IMO, admittingly a superficial one, I think TSL is a dysfunctional team with dysfunctional management and JYP will be much better off being away from that team. Maybe you can shed some light on the situation. JYP and Killer both didn't fit within the newly restructured and very strict practice schedule in the TSL house. Coach Lee's management of the team is far from dysfunctional, however, a lot of players (see Trickster, Fruitdealer, Clide, JYP, Killer) didn't want to put in the practice time that Coach Lee was beginning to implement, and left for "greener pastures" It should be noted that JYP is the only player to really improve after leaving the TSL house. So, Clide switches from TSL to Slayers because he didn't want to put up with the practice time? Doesn't make sense. And if i recall correctly, in a news or something, it was stated that JYP / Killer left because they thought they could get more money by joining a foreign team, and someone (i think xeris?not sure though)said that especially Killer demands a hefty salary. Clide's main reason for the switch to SlayerS was that he wanted to play along-side some of his friends on the team, but the new practice schedule was the impetus that allowed him to make the change. Again, Killer's salary was also a factor in him leaving TSL, but certainly not the main reason. So first you say they all left because of a strict schedule, but then its not because of it. Then its because of salary, but not really. There is also the issue with players not fitting? It might be I misunderstood you, but I am getting mixed messages here. Hasn't this been going on for a long time with TSL? They don't seem to be able to hold on to their players, so I get the feeling that they are doing something wrong. Did you not read what he said at all? lol. I will explain why I get confused. He lists Clide and JYP under the players that left because of training schedule. But then someone points out that they left to SlayerS (joining EG means you have to train at the SlayerS house so JYP also counts here), so it doesnt make any sense that they left because of that. Then he says Clide left because of friends, and that JYP just wasn't a fit (which says nothing). Then its conflicting posts about players leaving because of salary or not. He posts that he wished Korean players would not want to join western teams to get exposure, which would point to JYP leaving because of salary, but then he says he didnt post that in this thread to make that point (Posting it in this thread implies that). Also Killer didnt leave mainly because of salary, but it was one of the reasons? Do you see my point? Its impossible to pinpoint any reason for why they are leaking players. Thats why some get the feeling that there has to be something that isnt going so well in their team. does it occur to you that slayers may have a less strict practice schedule? they may practice the same amount but they way TSLs coach makes them practice may not agree with certain players. also there may not be a single defining reason. so killer wants more money? he may also dislike the people/the practice/the house/etc. just because he's asking for more money than average from a foreign team doesnt mean his salary was the reason he left.
Slayers is famous for having one of the stronger, if not the strongest, training regimes in Korea. It shows too, they have a heavy line up of hard hitters and had an extremely successful year of 2011. They're arguably the best team in the world (with IM being up there as well.)
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On January 02 2012 07:54 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 07:50 Angelbelow wrote:On January 02 2012 01:44 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 01 2012 23:54 SeaSwift wrote:On January 01 2012 09:43 VirgilSC2 wrote:
I really wish Korean teams would get more sponsorship so that Korean players don't feel they have to join a foreign team to get foreign exposure. While I agree with you, I doubt this is an example of that. JYP just didn't have a team at all, and EG had enough money to pick him up, and wanted a good player. So they did. Oh no, this wasn't an example of that at all! That's not what I was trying to imply, JYP simply didn't fit in at TSL and I'm glad he's found a new team. Just curious, why wasn't JYP a good fit? It seems like every TSL player that makes a splash in the competitive scene they end up departing from TSL. IMO, admittingly a superficial one, I think TSL is a dysfunctional team with dysfunctional management and JYP will be much better off being away from that team. Maybe you can shed some light on the situation. JYP and Killer both didn't fit within the newly restructured and very strict practice schedule in the TSL house. Coach Lee's management of the team is far from dysfunctional, however, a lot of players (see Trickster, Fruitdealer, Clide, JYP, Killer) didn't want to put in the practice time that Coach Lee was beginning to implement, and left for "greener pastures" It should be noted that JYP is the only player to really improve after leaving the TSL house.
I personally don't buy the "players leaving because practice very strict" argument. If Tester, FD, Clide, JYP, Rain, Killer all left around the same time, then that signals to me that the team is moving in a different direction. When you have their major players dropping out over the period of 8 months or so, that tells me something is up internally.
We'll see if Clide improves with Slayers, so far hes about the same. Also, I'm looking forward to seeing if Alive and Polt improve, they've also remained pretty stagnant. Polt, you can argue has gotten worse strictly based on results, but context says that he has improved his play, but not by a wide margin. I'd like to see if this new training schedule/shift in management actually benefits the rest of the team, or if we're going to see more of the same from TSL.
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Glad that such an astonishingly good player had been signed for Team EG. 2012 is looking to be a great year for eSports.
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Why do people like Demuslim?
I mean he is good on ladder but ive never seen him do good in any tourney. Much like destiny
User was warned for this post
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On January 03 2012 00:00 Gecko4lif wrote:
Why do people like Demuslim?
I mean he is good on ladder but ive never seen him do good in any tourney. Much like destiny
What a great first post on TL.
Congrats EG for signing JYP :D
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On January 03 2012 00:02 JOJOsc2news wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2012 00:00 Gecko4lif wrote:
Why do people like Demuslim?
I mean he is good on ladder but ive never seen him do good in any tourney. Much like destiny What a great first post on TL. Congrats EG for signing JYP :D
It was in response to the all kill format post.
I was just too lazy to quote it
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On January 03 2012 00:00 Gecko4lif wrote:
Why do people like Demuslim?
I mean he is good on ladder but ive never seen him do good in any tourney. Much like destiny
Because he is skilled, british, great interviews, warcraft 3 pro, he was in mTw and now in EG, etc..
not enought? There are many great players that never won any relevant tournament in SC2..
Destiny is famous because he streams and he is entertaining..
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Grats to EG for signing up JYP. I can tell he will kick ass really really soon!
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On January 03 2012 00:08 shell wrote:
Because he is british
Ahh there we go
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good luck to JYP, EG is getting even better with this addition to the roster
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On January 03 2012 00:00 Gecko4lif wrote:
Why do people like Demuslim?
I mean he is good on ladder but ive never seen him do good in any tourney. Much like destiny
User was warned for this post
I guess you missed his run a few mlg's ago where he got his code a spot.
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On December 31 2011 05:34 strength wrote:I dont know whot SirScoots does it but he somehow made EG a power house in the SC2 scene.
It's not like they've grown any talent. All the talent they have on their team is either worse or as good as they were when they got into EG. It's called having money.
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I think this will be a really good move for him ... His vT is weakest but still solid and with puma ....
Also I feel like whenever a Korean joins a foreign team they get out of the "grind" training and have a little more fun increasing their skill...
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On January 03 2012 04:53 GoNZooo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 05:34 strength wrote:I dont know whot SirScoots does it but he somehow made EG a power house in the SC2 scene. It's not like they've grown any talent. All the talent they have on their team is either worse or as good as they were when they got into EG. It's called having money.
And they have money because?
aww they are good at what they do...
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On January 03 2012 06:15 shell wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2012 04:53 GoNZooo wrote:On December 31 2011 05:34 strength wrote:I dont know whot SirScoots does it but he somehow made EG a power house in the SC2 scene. It's not like they've grown any talent. All the talent they have on their team is either worse or as good as they were when they got into EG. It's called having money. And they have money because? aww they are good at what they do...
Maybe you should know what you're talking about first. EG was a no-name team until they bought the coL CS team. From there, they actually got some fame because the coL squad was good. And that's the wave they rode in on. Personally, I don't respect anyone on that team.
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