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On December 22 2011 11:40 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2011 11:31 AZKziek wrote:
Yay for all the people being better than all the females that have been picked up in teams! Awesome stuff to see the truly deserving missing out! Yay for all the people with terrible attitudes like this being left out of teams! Oh wait, you have a team name on yours so I guess being a dick is ok but being female isn't? Love the entitlement from people like this who look at the player by their gender and blatantly ignore the rest.
Well, if we are not looking at gender then we are looking at merits, and his point is that there are other people out there that are more qualified than she is. Your argument back was to stop looking at gender and to look at other factors which is what he was trying to say. Sure he came off as a dick, but I am not sure if you understood him.... Edit: And the dude is wrong btw too, she has had some top finishes, I just forgot the tourneys. ^_^
Either way, congrats to Flo and Quantic. Probably going to go watch that stream now ^_____________^
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Gratz to Flo hope to her go to Korea to Train with Sase, Nani, and Destiny.
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On December 22 2011 11:31 AZKziek wrote:
Yay for all the people being better than all the females that have been picked up in teams! Awesome stuff to see the truly deserving missing out!
It's a business and signing one of the top tier females will get more attention than signing some random up and comer. Not to mention the female scene should be pretty competetive soon since several teams now have pro females on their teams.
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So many haters in this thread. You guys need to go with the Flo.
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Do people think that whenever a team gets a player, they get the best available player out there? Maybe one might recruit the second best player? Or even a player who is popular and has gotten recent attention, but isn't anywhere near the best non-affiliated player. Teams in other sports frequently take less skilled players they believe have potential, because it's much cheaper to sign someone who doesn't yet have high value, then monetize them while they're still on the original contract. Yet it's only ever women (not girls, you don't call male progamers "boys") that get people saying "omg, totally unskilled."
Yeah, the decision to sign her might have been influenced by gender. Plenty of better players are passed over for lesser players for various reasons. The negativity female gamers get is really a huge turnoff from progaming.
Combine the honest talk people have about gender and opportunity in SC2 with some of the outright sexism from the community (see the supercreepiness in Flo's channel right now), and it's a barrier, even if you don't think it is, to women getting into gaming. And at the risk of falling into a cliche, that's hurting esports a lot more than women getting more opportunities than men. It certainly makes me want to watch it less, and I can't imagine trying to introduce another girl to watching SC2, when she could log onto the stream of a female gamer just signed to a top tier team and see her chat flooded with requests for feet shots.
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great. hope she does well
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Oh wow, nice, congrats. If only I could do that... 
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Congrats to Flo! Quantic is quickly becoming a really well known an solid team. Flo has shown she could compete with male gamers in the MLG open brackets, usually beating some good players, so I don't know why people are saying that she is only on the team because she is female. Her results are probably close to some of the lesser known Quantic players and being female is just an added benefit because it makes her stand out.
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gz; Flo is a great player, and a great addition to quantic.
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Finding it really difficult to like Quantic now with both Destiny and Flo on their team... Why oh why naniwa did you have to join Quantic?
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On December 22 2011 09:29 Telcontar wrote:Here we go. Do you ask this for every pro that gets signed by a team? Didn't think so.
It's an ok question to ask. Historically females have been less skilled than males and whenever one showed up and make some kind of splash they usually weren't very good compared to the males. If she is indeed GM along with everyone else then I could give a fuck what gender, race, etc she is. Also usually when a guy is signed to a team they are well known on the ladder alrdy.
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I've met this girl at MLG Anaheim, she is a cool cat and she's a good player with a desire to get better, layoff the hate please
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While it's hard to ignore that her gender plays a factor, I think you guys are missing the point. IMO, there's little that could prevent a female competing/winning in a tournament with other men, so I understand people feel like anyone on a team should be picked purely on the basis of skill - but we do need to generate (cultural) interest, as in, get more women playing to get good at the game. This won't happen right away... there's a process, and having role models for other women who want to play is one of those steps.
You also have to see the bigger picture: it's a good thing to get more people to accept SC2, just generally, male or female. SC2 is still very much a niche when compared to other sports, and anything that can help integrate the sport into what is considered more "mainstream" will help, not hurt. Take Day9's afterhours gaming for example - it's to demonstrate that regular people who have jobs/lives are educated/successful can also partake and do enjoy gaming as a hobby. Likewise, getting more female gamers tells people hey, even your girlfriends enjoy gaming, it's cool if you want to play SC2 or videogames or whatever as a past time. This probably isn't the motivation on part of Quantic, but I don't care what motivates Quantic - the indirect result is a good thing.
And if nothing else, just try to be decent human being and be happy for someone else.
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On December 22 2011 12:36 flanksteak wrote:
While it's hard to ignore that her gender plays a factor, I think you guys are missing the point. IMO, there's little that could prevent a female competing/winning in a tournament with other men, so I understand people feel like anyone on a team should be picked purely on the basis of skill - but we do need to generate (cultural) interest, as in, get more women playing to get good at the game. This won't happen right away... there's a process, and having role models for other women who want to play is one of those steps.
You also have to see the bigger picture: it's a good thing to get more people to accept SC2, just generally, male or female. SC2 is still very much a niche when compared to other sports, and anything that can help integrate the sport into what is considered more "mainstream" will help, not hurt. Take Day9's afterhours gaming for example - it's to demonstrate that regular people who have jobs/lives are educated/successful can also partake and do enjoy gaming as a hobby. Likewise, getting more female gamers tells people hey, even your girlfriends enjoy gaming, it's cool if you want to play SC2 or videogames or whatever as a past time. This probably isn't the motivation on part of Quantic, but I don't care what motivates Quantic - the indirect result is a good thing.
And if nothing else, just try to be decent human being and be happy for someone else.
Exactly! :D
glhf Flo <3
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On December 22 2011 09:32 vOdToasT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2011 09:29 Telcontar wrote:On December 22 2011 09:28 Bobster wrote:
What league/rank is she on ladder? Here we go. Do you ask this for every pro that gets signed by a team? Didn't think so. Is every female pro who gets signed by a team grand master? No. He has reason to ask, given the history of female SC2 players on teams. Please, be realistic. A lot of teams realize that it's a good publicity stunt, and in some cases (as we have seen in the past) they will pick up less skilled players who are female. You don't ever see players of that skill level get picked up who are male.
Sure we do! Anybody remember Toad?
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