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United States23455 Posts
Let's decide this now because I am sure that we will have lots of back and forth in the next week with the Blizzard Cup coming in the next week. So, we do we consider the winner of this event a GSL champion, or do we consider the winner a special event champion such as Arena of Legends?
Remember, the Super Tournament and World Championship are considered GSL titles while the Arena of Legends tournaments have not been counted. MarineKing asked when the World Championship was going on if it was a special event or an actual GSL championship, and he was told it was the real deal...then proceeded to get silver to MVP.
Positives on why we should consider it a GSL championship:
₩40 000 000 - That is only 10,000,000 under the usual Code S championship and actually 10,000,000 more than the World Championship
Ten champions will play in the tournament. Every single player will have won a major tournament in the past year.
Negatives on why we shouldn't consider it a GSL championship:
Only ten players. The smallest GSL championship was the World Championship which had sixteen. Every other GSL has had either 32 participants or 64.
It's only five days long. Even the World Championship had more days of competition and the usual Code S/Super Tournament season runs for four weeks or above.
So, what say you, Team Liquid community member? Do we consider the Blizzard Cup champion apart of the seven who have a GSL title, or do we put them alongside MKP as a special event winner?
Poll: Blizzard Cup: GSL title or Special Event title?Special Event champion (Arena of Legends) (98) 65% GSL champion (Code S, World Championship, Super Tournament) (52) 35% 150 total votes Your vote: Blizzard Cup: GSL title or Special Event title? (Vote): GSL champion (Code S, World Championship, Super Tournament)
(Vote): Special Event champion (Arena of Legends)
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This has the best players that have proven themselves at individual tournaments. It will be a great best of the best show down.
My money is on MMA or Nestea.
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A GSL champion is someone who can beat the rest of the field. Coming out on top of 32 of the best players from the starting point is what big tournaments are all about. This has a pool of 10 players, and honestly it doesn't mean that much to me. How is this different from AOL 1 and 2? It's just one of those fun events where we're assured that we get to see matches we want.
Where's the upsets? Where's the consistency? Being a champion has as much to do with being able to consistently beat lower players as well as beat people at the top. There is NO way I'd consider this as high of a feat as a GSL championship.
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Yeah, it seems like a championship, but if they are not calling it or considering it that, then I guess I will go with that they say.
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This is a championship. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. For example, if Mvp won, he would be a 4 time GSL Champion, no matter what anyone says. I suggest you deal with it.
EDIT: Another thing I'd like to point out is that Blizzard Cup's prize money is higher than that of the World Championship. If World Championship counts, there's no reason that this doesn't count, considering it's supposed to be the ultimate challenge and the culmination of the entire year.
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more like special event since it's so so few.... just 10 players.
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On December 10 2011 17:31 zhurai wrote:
more like special event since it's so so few.... just 10 players.
Quality over quantity.
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too few players.
but i really dont consider the world championship-tourney the real deal either
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On December 10 2011 17:31 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
but i really dont consider the world championship-tourney the real deal either
Haha, it DOESN'T MATTER what you consider. World Championship is, well, a championship.
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On December 10 2011 17:31 RPR_Tempest wrote:
This is a championship. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. For example, if Mvp won, he would be a 4 time GSL Champion, no matter what anyone says. I suggest you deal with it.
He wouldn't. He'd be a Blizzard Cup champion. This is not GSL, it's an invitational across many other tournaments. And considering the fact that MVP is on his way to take 3 spots so they had to give it to 2 other players? What a farce.
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United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
On December 10 2011 17:26 Itsmedudeman wrote:
A GSL champion is someone who can beat the rest of the field. Coming out on top of 32 of the best players from the starting point is what big tournaments are all about. This has a pool of 10 players, and honestly it doesn't mean that much to me. How is this different from AOL 1 and 2? It's just one of those fun events where we're assured that we get to see matches we want.
Where's the upsets? Where's the consistency? Being a champion has as much to do with being able to consistently beat lower players as well as beat people at the top. There is NO way I'd consider this as high of a feat as a GSL championship. Tempting as it is to call this a GSL championship - let's say Stephano won, I wouldn't buy any of "he's a GSL championship winner" talk. I want to see someone fight through the quagmire of Code a / Code S, get into the finals, and then beat his fellow finalist. Now that is a champion. Agree with everything you wrote
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this is a championship, but i don't consider it a true gsl championship. perhaps somewhere above a special event, but below a real season.
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On December 10 2011 17:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 17:31 RPR_Tempest wrote:
This is a championship. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. For example, if Mvp won, he would be a 4 time GSL Champion, no matter what anyone says. I suggest you deal with it. He wouldn't. He'd be a Blizzard Cup champion. This is not GSL, it's an invitational across many other tournaments. And considering the fact that MVP is on his way to take 3 spots so they had to give it to 2 other players? What a farce.
It's a televised GSL LAN event. The reason Arena of Legends wasn't considered a GSL Championship was because the entire tournament was played online.
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United States23455 Posts
The World Championship being considered a GSL title messes everything up. If it wasn't, then this would be 100% a Special Event to me, but it's been said time and time again that it's a GSL championship since MVP is titled to being a three time champ.
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On December 10 2011 17:37 Fionn wrote:
The World Championship being considered a GSL title messes everything up. If it wasn't, then this would be 100% a Special Event to me, but it's been said time and time again that it's a GSL championship since MVP is titled to being a three time champ.
Why would the World Championship NOT count?
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Special event imho - but I also think the WC should not have been considered the real deal...
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These are all winners and top end quality players, winner deserves serieus props. I don't see why the big fuzz is about though.
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Voted Special Event almost immediately. My perception of the GSL Championships are that they are something you have to go through the harsh qualification stages in order to enter. Where you are competing against hundreds of the best players in the world.
The Blizzard Cup feels more like an invitational event to the winners of other major tournaments.
By that standards though, the WC shouldn't stand as a GSL championship and the ST would. Oh well.
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On December 10 2011 17:45 Caesarion wrote:
Voted Special Event almost immediately. My perception of the GSL Championships are that they are something you have to go through the harsh qualification stages in order to enter. Where you are competing against hundreds of the best players in the world.
The Blizzard Cup feels more like an invitational event to the winners of other major tournaments.
By that standards though, the WC shouldn't stand as a GSL championship and the ST would. Oh well.
...The Super Tournament does count.
And your perception doesn't matter. This isn't something the community gets to decide. GOM decides, and if the World Championship was considered a GSL, there's no way in hell that this isn't going to be considered one.
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On December 10 2011 17:47 RPR_Tempest wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 17:45 Caesarion wrote:
Voted Special Event almost immediately. My perception of the GSL Championships are that they are something you have to go through the harsh qualification stages in order to enter. Where you are competing against hundreds of the best players in the world.
The Blizzard Cup feels more like an invitational event to the winners of other major tournaments.
By that standards though, the WC shouldn't stand as a GSL championship and the ST would. Oh well. ...The Super Tournament does count. And your perception doesn't matter. This isn't something the community gets to decide. GOM decides, and if the World Championship was considered a GSL, there's no way in hell that this isn't going to be considered one.
Well, that's what I was trying to say, albeit unclearly. The ST does count and the WC does not.
If your argument is that it is entirely up to GOM to decide, then you're basically objecting to the entire purpose of the poll. All comments made here are essentially personal opinions anyway.
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For me, it is solely the number of players which makes it a special event, and not a true GSL Championship.
Every other championship has started with 64 or 32 players.
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On December 10 2011 17:59 This is Aru wrote:
For me, it is solely the number of players which makes it a special event, and not a true GSL Championship.
Every other championship has started with 64 or 32 players.
Or 16...
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Definitely a special event imo. At 16 players I probably would have called it a true GSL Championship.
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I can't even consider those things MVP or Polt won, so i sure as shit wouldn't consider this a GSL.
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Even 16 is cutting it close.
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Well, in the end this entire thread is pointless, since it's just worthless speculation. You don't think World Championship or Super Tournament are REEEEAL GSLs? Too bad.
"Should we consider..." It doesn't matter what we consider. There's no point to this topic.
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Super tournament was a real GSL. No one is arguing that. The point is how much emphasis do we put on winning this title?
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Even the Super Tournament never really counted as a GSL championship. The most prestigious win will ALWAYS be a Code S championship.
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On December 10 2011 18:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Super tournament was a real GSL. No one is arguing that. The point is how much emphasis do we put on winning this title?
GSL Championship is a GSL Championship.
You don't dispute WWE Championship wins, whether they won it by cashing in money in the bank, in a triple threat match or by beating the champion fair and square. Point is, they're a champion, and they're no less of a champion than anyone else who has held the title.
Like, can you imagine how ridiculous it would be for wrestling fans to say "NAH HE'S NOT A REAL CHAMPION, HE DOESN'T COUNT."
Arena of Legends is like equivalent to holding the Cruiserweight Championship. They're a champion, but not a big one. MLG, DreamHack and IPL would be the United States and Intercontinental Championships, GSTL would be Tag Team Championship and finally, all GSL events would be WWE/World Heavyweight Championship.
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On December 10 2011 17:45 Caesarion wrote:
Voted Special Event almost immediately. My perception of the GSL Championships are that they are something you have to go through the harsh qualification stages in order to enter. Where you are competing against hundreds of the best players in the world.
The Blizzard Cup feels more like an invitational event to the winners of other major tournaments.
By that standards though, the WC shouldn't stand as a GSL championship and the ST would. Oh well.
Technically Blizzard Cup had qualifiers, and exactly what you would call "harsh qualifiers", as they annonced at the start of the cup the list of tournaments someone had to win to be in: those aren't invited they qualified through those tournaments wins, whose player pool and run is as hard or harder than an upside-down.
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On December 10 2011 18:29 RPR_Tempest wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 18:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Super tournament was a real GSL. No one is arguing that. The point is how much emphasis do we put on winning this title? GSL Championship is a GSL Championship. You don't dispute WWE Championship wins, whether they won it by cashing in money in the bank, in a triple threat match or by beating the champion fair and square. Point is, they're a champion, and they're no less of a champion than anyone else who has held the title.
Lol why did you have to use WWE as an analogy of all things.
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On December 10 2011 18:31 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 18:29 RPR_Tempest wrote:On December 10 2011 18:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Super tournament was a real GSL. No one is arguing that. The point is how much emphasis do we put on winning this title? GSL Championship is a GSL Championship. You don't dispute WWE Championship wins, whether they won it by cashing in money in the bank, in a triple threat match or by beating the champion fair and square. Point is, they're a champion, and they're no less of a champion than anyone else who has held the title. Lol why did you have to use WWE as an analogy of all things.
Why not? Did it get the point across or not?
Money in the bank is beating the shit out of a bloody and bruised champion, by the way.
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On December 10 2011 18:34 RPR_Tempest wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 18:31 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 10 2011 18:29 RPR_Tempest wrote:On December 10 2011 18:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Super tournament was a real GSL. No one is arguing that. The point is how much emphasis do we put on winning this title? GSL Championship is a GSL Championship. You don't dispute WWE Championship wins, whether they won it by cashing in money in the bank, in a triple threat match or by beating the champion fair and square. Point is, they're a champion, and they're no less of a champion than anyone else who has held the title. Lol why did you have to use WWE as an analogy of all things. Why not? Did it get the point across or not? Money in the bank is beating the shit out of a bloody and bruised champion, by the way.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On December 10 2011 18:34 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 18:34 RPR_Tempest wrote:On December 10 2011 18:31 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 10 2011 18:29 RPR_Tempest wrote:On December 10 2011 18:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Super tournament was a real GSL. No one is arguing that. The point is how much emphasis do we put on winning this title? GSL Championship is a GSL Championship. You don't dispute WWE Championship wins, whether they won it by cashing in money in the bank, in a triple threat match or by beating the champion fair and square. Point is, they're a champion, and they're no less of a champion than anyone else who has held the title. Lol why did you have to use WWE as an analogy of all things. Why not? Did it get the point across or not? Money in the bank is beating the shit out of a bloody and bruised champion, by the way. + Show Spoiler +
That's relevant...how?
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Are you trolling me right now?
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On December 10 2011 18:36 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Are you trolling me right now?
Are you?
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Code S/A will always be the only GSL championship that matters. Every other event feel like special events to me.
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
Its the mother of all special events. A big achievement to win it (like almost any tournament) buy a level down from a GSL title.
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I consider blizzard cup the ultimate tournament. Its champions vs champions like Champions league in football. Just to haved qualified to this tournament meant you had todo somethign special.
really nice way to end the year..
10 world class players that can beat and lose to everyone gonna be awesome. Only problem I have with it is it bo1 in the group stage.
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On December 10 2011 17:45 Caesarion wrote:
Voted Special Event almost immediately. My perception of the GSL Championships are that they are something you have to go through the harsh qualification stages in order to enter. Where you are competing against hundreds of the best players in the world.
The Blizzard Cup feels more like an invitational event to the winners of other major tournaments.
By that standards though, the WC shouldn't stand as a GSL championship and the ST would. Oh well.
What you have to win a major tournament to qualify if thats not the hardest thing todo to qualify I dont know what is
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This is the championship of champions. It's like MLG Nationals. It should be treated with even higher prestige than a normal GSL.
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Honestly I don't know why World Championship counted towards a GSL title. It is 16 players only, with 8of them being random foreigners gomtv selected. We need to stick to definitions. GSL champion means GSL season champion. Super tournament is kind of iffy (all code S/A players had a chance to win it), but I probably wouldn't count it as well in the tally for GSL titles.
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Just based on the number of players it isn't a GSL Championship(Same thing with the 16 player tourney). Part of what makes a champion is slogging through a ton of people on your climb to the mountain top. While the jump from 16 to 32 players is just one round it still makes a difference. Still gonna be a great tournament though. All Star game baby!
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On December 10 2011 20:24 W2 wrote:
Honestly I don't know why World Championship counted towards a GSL title. It is 16 players only, with 8of them being random foreigners gomtv selected. We need to stick to definitions. GSL champion means GSL season champion. Super tournament is kind of iffy (all code S/A players had a chance to win it), but I probably wouldn't count it as well in the tally for GSL titles.
You wouldn't count the Super Tournament as a GSL championship but you would count Open Season 1,2 and 3 as GSL champions, even though they had the exact same format?
Nice logic.
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