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Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
December 12 2011 21:57 GMT
#1921
I said YT was modding the vote numbers a long time ago!

Pfft no one listens to me! :p
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
Enhancer_
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada320 Posts
December 12 2011 21:57 GMT
#1922
It must be Putin, he knows how to rig this kind of thing :O.
caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
December 12 2011 21:57 GMT
#1923
On December 13 2011 06:52 AndyGB4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 06:45 Nerchio wrote:
I dont understand something about the graph though, considering it is a bot, how can it know the rate at which votes for Glider are coming? I mean, for sure it can do that after refreshing the page and seeing how many votes he got from the last 'wave' but then it would be delayed in time, and this graph shows that it changes almost exactly as our graph at the same time, is it really possible without having an access to the actual site(poll?).

Nerchio brings up a great point!

If a bot was using our input to slightly outmatch us on every segment and mirror the entire graph, shouldn't it be slightly delayed from our graph?

Unless YouTube is doing this, since they'd be the ones with OUR numbers in their hands as quickly as possible?

EDIT:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 06:51 Draconicfire wrote:
On December 13 2011 06:45 Nerchio wrote:
I dont understand something about the graph though, considering it is a bot, how can it know the rate at which votes for Glider are coming? I mean, for sure it can do that after refreshing the page and seeing how many votes he got from the last 'wave' but then it would be delayed in time, and this graph shows that it changes almost exactly as our graph at the same time, is it really possible without having an access to the actual site(poll?).


Well this could just be an artifact from having the sampling done every 5 minutes. This way any delays would be missed since they would just be grouped together anyways. Say if the update was every 30 seconds or so.


Yeah, that actually makes a lot of sense lol. The bot definitely wouldn't need 5 minutes to compile and vote.



It wouldn't necessarily be off by a few seconds unless we had realtime data, our data checks are at every 5 minutes, which, if its a bot, would include rate increases, but not necessarily lag time as the presumed bot changes its vote rate-- we have 5min interval data so the data resolution will be more grainy.
Salvation a la mode and a cup of tea...
chaynesore
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia175 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 21:59:55
December 12 2011 21:58 GMT
#1924
[image loading]

The graph extrapolations do assume a linear model, yes. I've added this other graph so we can get a proper feel for at what rate she is starting to separate from us. It's the data on the 2nd graph (incremental changes) but expressed as a percentage of one another: i.e. (JenniferESL_inc / ThePortraitArt_inc) * 100%.... As you can see, fuck. She's starting to explode I think.

I'm also going to keep repeating these while they're relevant, every time I post a graph in the hope that one of these heroes will save Glider:
1) Hoping one of the people in Glider's drawings gets the tweets from us and plugs it for their audience: Up thread : - http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/n9uwi/help_glider_by_tweeting_the_people_he_draws/
2) Day9 saving the day by going live with a special announcement to just plug the fuck out of the poll.
3) Slasher reaching out to the other gaming communities.
4) That idea of getting Hero/Zenio in contact with the Korean fanbase who'll just be waking up now.
"When things get weird, I'm in my element." - Liquid`TLO
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
December 12 2011 21:58 GMT
#1925
On December 13 2011 06:54 brachester wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 06:52 AndyGB4 wrote:
On December 13 2011 06:45 Nerchio wrote:
I dont understand something about the graph though, considering it is a bot, how can it know the rate at which votes for Glider are coming? I mean, for sure it can do that after refreshing the page and seeing how many votes he got from the last 'wave' but then it would be delayed in time, and this graph shows that it changes almost exactly as our graph at the same time, is it really possible without having an access to the actual site(poll?).

Nerchio brings up a great point!

If a bot was using our input to slightly outmatch us on every segment and mirror the entire graph, shouldn't it be slightly delayed from our graph?

Unless YouTube is doing this, since they'd be the ones with OUR numbers in their hands as quickly as possible?

THE TRUTH REVEALED :O


Damnit, this is a hell of a time to misplace my tinfoil hat. I always knew one day it'd come in handy...
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
December 12 2011 21:58 GMT
#1926
i literally spend 5+ hours reading this thread, this getting more and more epic
I hate all this singing
tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
December 12 2011 21:58 GMT
#1927
The page updates more or less instantly. There's no reason that it would take the 'bot' any significant amount of time (think seconds) to process the current rate of voting for Glider and modulate its own rate of voting accordingly.
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
December 12 2011 21:59 GMT
#1928
On December 13 2011 06:58 chaynesore wrote:
edit: sorry fucked up, 1sec

The graph extrapolations do assume a linear model, yes. I've added this other graph so we can get a proper feel for at what rate she is starting to separate from us. It's the data on the 2nd graph (incremental changes) but expressed as a percentage of one another: i.e. (JenniferESL_inc / ThePortraitArt_inc) * 100%.... As you can see, fuck. She's starting to explode I think.

I'm also going to keep repeating these while they're relevant, every time I post a graph in the hope that one of these heroes will save Glider:
1) Hoping one of the people in Glider's drawings gets the tweets from us and plugs it for their audience: Up thread : - http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/n9uwi/help_glider_by_tweeting_the_people_he_draws/
2) Day9 saving the day by going live with a special announcement to just plug the fuck out of the poll.
3) Slasher reaching out to the other gaming communities.
4) That idea of getting Hero/Zenio in contact with the Korean fanbase who'll just be waking up now.


Dam you guys are hardcore LOL
Dear Sixsmith...
ngri
Profile Joined October 2010
Luxembourg136 Posts
December 12 2011 21:59 GMT
#1929
Don't think it's YT though,.. if that's the case i think they should give at least a few votes to Paperlillies, I mean 0%, that's just rude.
FranzP
Profile Joined November 2010
France270 Posts
December 12 2011 21:59 GMT
#1930
On December 13 2011 06:52 AndyGB4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 06:45 Nerchio wrote:
I dont understand something about the graph though, considering it is a bot, how can it know the rate at which votes for Glider are coming? I mean, for sure it can do that after refreshing the page and seeing how many votes he got from the last 'wave' but then it would be delayed in time, and this graph shows that it changes almost exactly as our graph at the same time, is it really possible without having an access to the actual site(poll?).

Nerchio brings up a great point!

If a bot was using our input to slightly outmatch us on every segment and mirror the entire graph, shouldn't it be slightly delayed from our graph?

Unless YouTube is doing this, since they'd be the ones with OUR numbers in their hands as quickly as possible?

EDIT:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 06:51 Draconicfire wrote:
On December 13 2011 06:45 Nerchio wrote:
I dont understand something about the graph though, considering it is a bot, how can it know the rate at which votes for Glider are coming? I mean, for sure it can do that after refreshing the page and seeing how many votes he got from the last 'wave' but then it would be delayed in time, and this graph shows that it changes almost exactly as our graph at the same time, is it really possible without having an access to the actual site(poll?).


Well this could just be an artifact from having the sampling done every 5 minutes. This way any delays would be missed since they would just be grouped together anyways. Say if the update was every 30 seconds or so.


Yeah, that actually makes a lot of sense lol. The bot definitely wouldn't need 5 minutes to compile and vote.


Our graph is just a collection of point every 5 minute. A bot (if it exists) can read the number every 2 seconds if he wants to.

Anyway if teachers are voting for her and we lose to them, I would find kind of ironic. I see the big title on reddit "A bunch of nerds lose to a delegation of teacher" :D

A random bystanders says "Some serious weird shit is going on with Jennifer's vote totals. There's no community supporting her." when in fact it was not a online community supporting her but a wild newsletter spread among teachers.

"Cyberhacking is kind of like masturbation I guess, all countries do it but nobody actually talks about it. China just was accidentally doing it with the door wide open." Newbistic
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
December 12 2011 22:00 GMT
#1931
On December 13 2011 06:53 Alejandrisha wrote:
holy shit glider is getting insane amounts of votes towards the end now haha. reddit must be rallying hard right now


i will say tho.. glider is getting like 5-10 votes every few seconds, but the other chick is getting blocks of 50 like every 30 seconds.. how does that even function


it has looked like that for quite some time now. If we had a votes per 5 second intervals the ESL graph would look retarded as hell
SaltTheWound
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany72 Posts
December 12 2011 22:00 GMT
#1932
Is JenniferESL cheating ?
cmon she is getting 20 votes everytime i refresh ... Look at thiss oO How shall that work ?
Eduro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States88 Posts
December 12 2011 22:01 GMT
#1933
On December 13 2011 06:59 FranzP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 06:52 AndyGB4 wrote:
On December 13 2011 06:45 Nerchio wrote:
I dont understand something about the graph though, considering it is a bot, how can it know the rate at which votes for Glider are coming? I mean, for sure it can do that after refreshing the page and seeing how many votes he got from the last 'wave' but then it would be delayed in time, and this graph shows that it changes almost exactly as our graph at the same time, is it really possible without having an access to the actual site(poll?).

Nerchio brings up a great point!

If a bot was using our input to slightly outmatch us on every segment and mirror the entire graph, shouldn't it be slightly delayed from our graph?

Unless YouTube is doing this, since they'd be the ones with OUR numbers in their hands as quickly as possible?

EDIT:
On December 13 2011 06:51 Draconicfire wrote:
On December 13 2011 06:45 Nerchio wrote:
I dont understand something about the graph though, considering it is a bot, how can it know the rate at which votes for Glider are coming? I mean, for sure it can do that after refreshing the page and seeing how many votes he got from the last 'wave' but then it would be delayed in time, and this graph shows that it changes almost exactly as our graph at the same time, is it really possible without having an access to the actual site(poll?).


Well this could just be an artifact from having the sampling done every 5 minutes. This way any delays would be missed since they would just be grouped together anyways. Say if the update was every 30 seconds or so.


Yeah, that actually makes a lot of sense lol. The bot definitely wouldn't need 5 minutes to compile and vote.


Our graph is just a collection of point every 5 minute. A bot (if it exists) can read the number every 2 seconds if he wants to.

Anyway if teachers are voting for her and we lose to them, I would find kind of ironic. I see the big title on reddit "A bunch of nerds lose to a delegation of teacher" :D

A random bystanders says "Some serious weird shit is going on with Jennifer's vote totals. There's no community supporting her." when in fact it was not a online community supporting her but a wild newsletter spread among teachers.




FW:FW:FW:RE:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:RE:FW:FW
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 22:07:57
December 12 2011 22:01 GMT
#1934
On December 13 2011 06:45 Nerchio wrote:
I dont understand something about the graph though, considering it is a bot, how can it know the rate at which votes for Glider are coming? I mean, for sure it can do that after refreshing the page and seeing how many votes he got from the last 'wave' but then it would be delayed in time, and this graph shows that it changes almost exactly as our graph at the same time, is it really possible without having an access to the actual site(poll?).

Well it's a 5 minute interval graph if it was more accurate like 30 seconds this might show

Edit: Typo :D
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
FranzP
Profile Joined November 2010
France270 Posts
December 12 2011 22:01 GMT
#1935
On December 13 2011 06:58 brachester wrote:
i literally spend 5+ hours reading this thread, this getting more and more epic


I agree this thread is kinda epic.

Go Glider ! Please win, because if you lose we won't be able an uproar of epic proportion. Nyovne himself won't be ready for it.
"Cyberhacking is kind of like masturbation I guess, all countries do it but nobody actually talks about it. China just was accidentally doing it with the door wide open." Newbistic
MadChem
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany218 Posts
December 12 2011 22:01 GMT
#1936
On December 13 2011 06:58 brachester wrote:
i literally spend 5+ hours reading this thread, this getting more and more epic


True words

;-)
"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds." - Oppenheimer
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
December 12 2011 22:02 GMT
#1937
Stay strong guys, 2 hours left, reduced from 14k to 11k lead during the last hour
I hate all this singing
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
December 12 2011 22:02 GMT
#1938
if you keep f5'ing, gliders goes up continuously but hers goes up in fat chunks.

how do we account for this ???
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
procyonlotor
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy473 Posts
December 12 2011 22:02 GMT
#1939
Two hours left and 13k votes ahead. Things are looking good.
hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
December 12 2011 22:02 GMT
#1940
2 hours left now. HOLD! HOLD!!
It's spelled LOSE not LOOSE.
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