On March 05 2012 09:48 Joedaddy wrote: I can't separate Orb the caster from Orb the streamer. I've watched your stream in the past and listened to you rage about how terrible SC2 is. I've heard you talk about how "retarded" Blizzard is, and how much you hate SC2. You have trashed this game to such an extent that when I hear you casting I can't take you seriously as a caster. All I see when you cast is someone who enjoys being e-famous, and is willing to garner that casting a game they absolutely despise.
I agree with this part. I've watched his stream about 5 times and each time I just see him raging at chat, at the game and calling everyone who beats him trash. It really lowered my opinion of him and I can't see him the same way now when casting.
I remember when he first started casting the korean weeklies someone asked him why he doesn't cast mlg and stuff and he said something like he's not known enough yet and told the viewers to go bug the tourneys and ask them to let him cast. Then he got his casting break at NASL and I dunno, he just doesn't seem humble at all. He's always just raging at his chat and viewers and telling them to go fuck off. I see him as trying to impersonate idra with the bm.
Beside the technical problems, you did a pretty good job casting the games. i haven't seen the idra vs huk games, but the incontrol vs machine games were casted very well. I always like your casts for the Korean weekly. Keep up the good work!
On March 05 2012 09:48 Joedaddy wrote: I can't separate Orb the caster from Orb the streamer. I've watched your stream in the past and listened to you rage about how terrible SC2 is. I've heard you talk about how "retarded" Blizzard is, and how much you hate SC2. You have trashed this game to such an extent that when I hear you casting I can't take you seriously as a caster. All I see when you cast is someone who enjoys being e-famous, and is willing to garner that casting a game they absolutely despise.
I agree with this part. I've watched his stream about 5 times and each time I just see him raging at chat, at the game and calling everyone who beats him trash. It really lowered my opinion of him and I can't see him the same way now when casting.
I remember when he first started casting the korean weeklies someone asked him why he doesn't cast mlg and stuff and he said something like he's not known enough yet and told the viewers to go bug the tourneys and ask them to let him cast. Then he got his casting break at NASL and I dunno, he just doesn't seem humble at all. He's always just raging at his chat and viewers and telling them to go fuck off. I see him as trying to impersonate idra with the bm.
Who cares? The fact is that he is pretty outspoken about what he thinks about the game and that is one of the reason I LOVE his stream. I hate it when players/casters (casters more often) try to make is seam like the game is perfect and that blizzard is doing the best job ever rather than actually saying what they think. Now if in the middle of a cast for NASL or whatever he started raging about balance that might be a little different because then he is representing an organization. As far as raging at his chat I just think that is funny so I guess that I am bias on that point
Critique the game. Sure, point out the mistakes. Its good to learn. Everyone does it and it's an indicator of the caster's game knowledge. No need to sugar coat it when a player makes a bad mistake. No need to make it sound like two unknowns are DRG vs MMA. But you go too far alot of times. Look back at your casts. You go on 5 min rants about how you "can't understand why he made such a stupid choice" and hammer the same point again and again and again ad nauseum.
That just gets old fast and I'm wondering who are you to be so high and mighty considering you're not an S-class player and you have the advantage of complete map awareness and nothing on the line.
Other than that jarring issue, you do a good job of tracking/obsing the game. At least not that I see you missing too much. You seem knowledgeable about the likely strategies and metagame. I think if you fix this "you are so bad" attitude, you'd be a top caster with more exposure. Especially since you don't have a foreign accent have a decent casting voice.
On March 05 2012 09:48 Joedaddy wrote: I can't separate Orb the caster from Orb the streamer. I've watched your stream in the past and listened to you rage about how terrible SC2 is. I've heard you talk about how "retarded" Blizzard is, and how much you hate SC2. You have trashed this game to such an extent that when I hear you casting I can't take you seriously as a caster. All I see when you cast is someone who enjoys being e-famous, and is willing to garner that casting a game they absolutely despise.
I agree with this part. I've watched his stream about 5 times and each time I just see him raging at chat, at the game and calling everyone who beats him trash. It really lowered my opinion of him and I can't see him the same way now when casting.
I remember when he first started casting the korean weeklies someone asked him why he doesn't cast mlg and stuff and he said something like he's not known enough yet and told the viewers to go bug the tourneys and ask them to let him cast. Then he got his casting break at NASL and I dunno, he just doesn't seem humble at all. He's always just raging at his chat and viewers and telling them to go fuck off. I see him as trying to impersonate idra with the bm.
LOL it would make my week if you were the same kind of people who criticize casters for trying to make an obviously bad/boring/over game sound interesting (ie their job) because they're not being "honest". You sound the exact same as the people QQ'ing in the GSL finals LR thread about Tastosis saying that it was a good finals when it was "obviously not".
On March 05 2012 09:48 Joedaddy wrote: I can't separate Orb the caster from Orb the streamer. I've watched your stream in the past and listened to you rage about how terrible SC2 is. I've heard you talk about how "retarded" Blizzard is, and how much you hate SC2. You have trashed this game to such an extent that when I hear you casting I can't take you seriously as a caster. All I see when you cast is someone who enjoys being e-famous, and is willing to garner that casting a game they absolutely despise.
I agree with this part. I've watched his stream about 5 times and each time I just see him raging at chat, at the game and calling everyone who beats him trash. It really lowered my opinion of him and I can't see him the same way now when casting.
I remember when he first started casting the korean weeklies someone asked him why he doesn't cast mlg and stuff and he said something like he's not known enough yet and told the viewers to go bug the tourneys and ask them to let him cast. Then he got his casting break at NASL and I dunno, he just doesn't seem humble at all. He's always just raging at his chat and viewers and telling them to go fuck off. I see him as trying to impersonate idra with the bm.
LOL it would make my week if you were the same kind of people who criticize casters for trying to make an obviously bad/boring/over game sound interesting (ie their job) because they're not being "honest". You sound the exact same as the people QQ'ing in the GSL finals LR thread about Tastosis saying that it was a good finals when it was "obviously not".
Nope, I don't have a problem with the scenarios you described as they're pretty divergent and different so not sure why you compared the two. 1 is just trying to generate excitement and trying to make the cast enjoyable. The other is just disrespecting everyone and everything and going on long swearing rants.
However, I see how there's an audience for that kind of streaming. It's just not my cup of tea and the same reason why I don't watch streams like destiny.
You are the only caster other than Husky I would say this to; Is their a post of your schedule? Cause I like watching your commentaries, and I would prefer to watch those matches from my preferable commentators!
BTW - Husky is Hilarious(You two are not compareable by any grounds of substance). You are super Pro. You went to school, or were self-taught, or there will be a school because of what you do..
You are energetic, and I always notice an aura of sportmanship and manners around you.
i thought overall it was very exciting and informative tonight in the eg thing, but i found you often get side tracked explaining something when lings run into stuff or small fights happen ;p
maybe while you are talking about whatever point you are making about a build or strat, keep your eyes on the minimap incase something happens.
You do things like switch player views to see what they did or did not scout, alot of casters just ignore those kinds of details people that play this game want to find out.
couple things i noticed on Daybreak of HuK VS IdrA, you did not mention split map scenarios in late game and how by taking a base on your opponents side of the map can starve them in extreme late game and the benefits of a hidden base
good casting though, jsut look at the little things id love to see you have more in depth game knowledge and bring your casting to a whole nother level
On March 05 2012 09:48 Joedaddy wrote: I can't separate Orb the caster from Orb the streamer. I've watched your stream in the past and listened to you rage about how terrible SC2 is. I've heard you talk about how "retarded" Blizzard is, and how much you hate SC2. You have trashed this game to such an extent that when I hear you casting I can't take you seriously as a caster. All I see when you cast is someone who enjoys being e-famous, and is willing to garner that casting a game they absolutely despise.
I agree with this part. I've watched his stream about 5 times and each time I just see him raging at chat, at the game and calling everyone who beats him trash. It really lowered my opinion of him and I can't see him the same way now when casting.
I remember when he first started casting the korean weeklies someone asked him why he doesn't cast mlg and stuff and he said something like he's not known enough yet and told the viewers to go bug the tourneys and ask them to let him cast. Then he got his casting break at NASL and I dunno, he just doesn't seem humble at all. He's always just raging at his chat and viewers and telling them to go fuck off. I see him as trying to impersonate idra with the bm.
Who cares? The fact is that he is pretty outspoken about what he thinks about the game and that is one of the reason I LOVE his stream. I hate it when players/casters (casters more often) try to make is seam like the game is perfect and that blizzard is doing the best job ever rather than actually saying what they think. Now if in the middle of a cast for NASL or whatever he started raging about balance that might be a little different because then he is representing an organization. As far as raging at his chat I just think that is funny so I guess that I am bias on that point
It's called being professional.
Something a lot of people don't seem to understand the concept of.
A decent Mic and you'll be just fine. The 'colour' will develop, especially living in the EG Lair with such strong personalities. I often watch the Korean Weekly and have always thought of you as a knowledgable, technical caster. If I had to give you one suggestion, it would be to slow it down a little - not for the whole game; I like how articulate and clearly spoken you are even at full speed, but maybe work on pacing yourself a little - this by itself could give you a free win on the 'building excitement' front; then again, you are who you are - enthusiastic and excitable. I've read through the thread and considered the 'faults' that others perceive - and I don't agree with them. Keep on Keeping on.
edit: Just watched the EG Lair video - I've no idea why someone further up the thread said you came across as cocky (not the word they used, but it's 4.45am here and I must sleep so didn't go back and check). I thought it was a great intro vid - spot on. You even proclaim how thrilled you are to be living with and casting people you've followed as a fan since the beta ; that's honest and humble if you ask me. You've proved yourself dude. Now enjoy the rewards and remind yourself just how many trolls there are out there when/if reading chat - which through no fault of your own was badly in need of some heavy handed modding tonight, way out of control.
I only watched a bit but enjoyed what I watched. There were maybe a few blips here and there, but no caster is perfect. There were some issues with the microphone, 'wind' noise and clipping. The chat was fucking terrible, easily the worst I've seen on a stream that wasn't Idra's. Get yourself some extra mods.
On March 05 2012 13:42 LuckoftheIrish wrote: I only watched a bit but enjoyed what I watched. There were maybe a few blips here and there, but no caster is perfect. There were some issues with the microphone, 'wind' noise and clipping. The chat was fucking terrible, easily the worst I've seen on a stream that wasn't Idra's. Get yourself some extra mods.
id say thats pretty expected on an IDrA VS HuK showmatch im sure if i had a knickle for every person who tuned in to watch HuK make IdrA Rquit id host a 100k prize pool tournament and fly every player to the moon to fight
I dunno, I sort of agree with most of the opinions. Great analytic casting, although you seem to be a bit "too" analytical in that you often stop to critize and go on rants about stuff that nobody (?) really cares about. You seem perfectionistic which is a good trait in that you try really hard and try the make the best of it, but the flip side is that you can come of as arrogant and full of criticism...
It's evident that you try really hard and that you really want to be a great caster, although in my mind part of that is actually not trying so hard and letting other things besides your analysis shine through. People in this thread seem to be referring a lot to other casters who are a bit more relaxed, who let other parts besides the "analytical" part of their personality shine through which speaks to the listener on another level.
So yeah, my advice is relax a bit. Obviously you're pretty good at analysing the game so stop trying to hard and let it come naturally. I think if you relaxed a bit you wouldn't come off as so arrogant and you wouldn't speak over your co-casters to the same degree and stuff like that.
i feel its kind of pathetic that you try to act rad and get blazed and laced on your stream... you're a nerd. a lot of us blaze but don't need to broadcast it to be cool. dropping that 'act' (as it honestly seems) would be doing yourself a favor. until then i continue to avoid your stream and even EG and other streams you cast. people like you bug me. sorry but thats my feedback. be more professional. stop making yourself look foolish and stop trying so hard please
i feel its kind of pathetic that you try to act rad and get blazed and laced on your stream... you're a nerd. a lot of us blaze but don't need to broadcast it to be cool. dropping that 'act' (as it honestly seems) would be doing yourself a favor. until then i continue to avoid your stream and even EG and other streams you cast. people like you bug me. sorry but thats my feedback. be more professional. stop making yourself look foolish and stop trying so hard please
It seems that people are split into two groups, people who have watched your stream and dislike you, and people who haven't watched your stream and are okay with you. Now I have never watched your stream before, but maybe you should exhibit some professionalism(?) in your stream so that people who watch both your stream and your casts will have a positive image of you. I don't actually know if you act terrible on stream, because all I'm going by is the responses I've seen, but I really like your casting and actually looked forward each day to the ESV korean weeklys
On March 05 2012 09:48 Joedaddy wrote: I can't separate Orb the caster from Orb the streamer. I've watched your stream in the past and listened to you rage about how terrible SC2 is. I've heard you talk about how "retarded" Blizzard is, and how much you hate SC2. You have trashed this game to such an extent that when I hear you casting I can't take you seriously as a caster. All I see when you cast is someone who enjoys being e-famous, and is willing to garner that casting a game they absolutely despise.
Gotta say I agree with this. Raging at the game is one thing, but raging at your viewers who are supporting you is just pathetic. I just have a bad taste in my mouth from your stream.
But honestly I'll get over it and I'm sure many people will as well. Your actual casting is pretty good, just keep doing what you're doing and eventually people will understand that you're not the person you seemed to be on your personal stream. I think if there were some interviews or clips where we got to know you a bit more outside of streaming/casting, it would really help you get over some of the bad impressions you've made due to frustration over sc2.
Anyways I hope you take this as a positive thing and don't take this as me just taking a shot at you
EPT
- which through no fault of your own was badly in need of some heavy handed modding tonight, way out of control.
