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On March 05 2012 09:03 chambertin wrote:Just wanted to note how amazing you are, so much criticism in this thread (sigh)! When you finally have someone obs. -ing for you, I'm sure you will go from great to fantastic! Keep up the good work... 
There is supposed to be a lot of criticism in this thread -- it's what he asked for.
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I couldn't find anything wrong with it. Great casting.
However, don't forget the score bar -_-
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the only thing bugs me alot is when you call supply=food
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love your casting. keep it up!!
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I remember the first time I saw orb: I tuned into that NASL 2 first week which I believe was free and HD. I paid for season 1 and was wondering if I should buy season 2. Once I saw this guy replaced incontrol I just "loled" and closed the stream. Haven't watched NASL since.
Today was the first time I really watched one of his casts. I sat down today on my day off and really gave him a chance. The showcase matches of HuK vs IdrA / Incontrol vs Machine just ended. Initially, I'm trying to find something that puts this guy above other casters, or what EG is seeing in him to move him into the lair. I'm not seeing it at the moment.
I feel like there's a few main problems. You're not exciting. You're play by play is actually like too good, if that makes any sense. I feel like you're trying way to hard to be specific with the game that its impossible for your commentary to be fun at all. All the big name guys like Husky, Day9, Artosis, etc they all know how to be exciting. I just didn't see any of that from you. I agree with what others were saying about your emotions being somewhat empty.
I also agree that you're very clear but you have like no pro experience so you're not as interesting as someone else. No good stories/jokes sc related. Even further, I hate to say it but I kind of agree with that Hexxed guy. I got a really bad vibe from your intro to the EG lair video. You come off as this big guy caster in the sc2 scene. Saying 'oh youll learn stuff' in your video. That might be true but you simply don't have the playing/gaming background for that comment. Not saying you have to be a pro to teach while casting, just a thought.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't think you have a signature quality about your casting and its kind of just very basic when an esport needs exciting casters with distinct qualities. People like TotalBiscuit that incorporate reddit stuff/aka stuff with the community into his casts. You seem like you'd be fucking amazing casting like Baseball or something. I've said many times that itmeJP just doesn't have it when he casts, you have it, but I don't know if its a style of SC2.
A lot of peeps seem to like you though so keep it up. I guess your style just simply doesn't fit me. Good luck.
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You know what I think I just figured it out... Orb, I think you're boring as shit as a solo caster. However if you had some ex-pro as a color guy to give some jokes/give secondary comments on your clear and solid play-by-play commentary I think it would be great. You're a very good specific caster. Just feel like you'd be better as a part of a combo. I think that sums it up much better from my points.
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So far, I'm loving the casting. He generates excitement, doesn't seem too judgemental of decisions and has a broad game understanding. He's definitely one of the most watchable casters who is outside the usual Tastosis/Day9/etc guys.
If I had to be critical of him, I'd say to watch the excitement and try to make sure it's genuine. Most people can see through a false generation (IE yelling, speaking faster, etc). There were a few times when he'd get really excited over something really small that was clearly not a big deal (Zergling counterattack clearly going to get blocked, that kind of thing).
Other than that, keep it up dude. You're in such a unique opportunity and I'm excited to see where you go with this!
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Some criticisms:
1) Don't read chat. Or, if you do, don't let it get to your head. And if you do let it get to your head, don't get mad when you're live. It makes the broadcast feel awkward like dad just hit mom. I remember one time you got incredibly angry and banned someone in chat who said "ww" meant well won. (An aside: I also remember an incident where Diamond banned people who were being critical, not disrespectful, towards your casting in chat.)
2) Player bashing: Casters, observers, and audience members don't have fog of war. That said, it is easy to lambaste players who do something WE know is suboptimal. You're smart and we know you're smart. However, your tone often takes that of arrogance when analyzing players and their choices.
On personality: I don't think you should force it on yourself. I catch you talking in tastos-isms often and it comes off awkward. Just be yourself (how cliche, I know) and if you can add something witty or funny, do it.
That's about it. Great work regardless, thanks a lot.
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Why is nobody so far criticizing his shitty mic? Am I the only guy with a bandage on my ear drum right now? 99% of the chat-room had the same problem an hour ago.
If your going to be a serious caster and frequent then get a mic to match that profession and/or fix your sound settings.
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On March 05 2012 09:39 Kamais Ookin wrote:
Why is nobody so far criticizing his shitty mic? Am I the only guy with a bandage on my ear drum right now? 99% of the chat-room had the same problem an hour ago.
If your going to be a serious caster and frequent then get a mic to match that profession and/or fix your sound settings.
I agree, the audio was pretty trash but I fault the fact that Orb arrived like 2 days ago. I'm absolutely certain that EG has the resources to set Orb up with some sick equipment. Give that issue some time.
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I can't separate Orb the caster from Orb the streamer. I've watched your stream in the past and listened to you rage about how terrible SC2 is. I've heard you talk about how "retarded" Blizzard is, and how much you hate SC2. You have trashed this game to such an extent that when I hear you casting I can't take you seriously as a caster. All I see when you cast is someone who enjoys being e-famous, and is willing to garner that casting a game they absolutely despise.
Overall, I enjoy the analytical style of casting that you have, but I think that you need to be consistent in how you represent yourself. Don't shit on the game while you stream, and then talk about how great it is when you cast. When you flip flop between shitting on the game and then casting like the game is something special, it makes me think you are fake. How you present yourself in public via lans, streams, etc does impact how people perceive you.
Take someone like Day[9] who is the exact same guy regardless of what he is doing in the public light. He is always goofy, excited, and displays a genuine love for the game whether he is on State of the Game or casting a major tournament. Its incredibly endearing, and I think you would benefit from trying to emulate that in your public persona.
I'm not saying you should act like someone you're not. You have to be you, but be consistent.
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You need a side-kick, just get somebody funny and teach them some basics of SC
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I love your casting man.
Try to talk slower when you cast though, sometimes we can`t tell what you`re saying 
Keep the tongue twisting for later
<33 bro ! Keep it up!
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I really enjoy your casting. with that said i have to agree with the following:
When you flip flop between shitting on the game and then casting like the game is something special, it makes me think you are fake
In between games when they show you speaking, you seem like you exaggerate every facial expression and mannerism.
Otherwise, I love you orb, keep up the hard work.
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Thanks for all the feedback again.
To address/respond to some points in case the commenters were curious:
-Please don't take any information about me from that eg intro video haha. It was edited so the questions they asked were taken out and also responses were cut mid-sentence reality-tv style. When I watched it myself I was like "damn I seem like just a bit of a douche" LOL
-As I've said before, please try to understand the distinction between these three styles of casting: Solo casting while observing (ridiculously difficult, especially if the players choose dumb colors like red/green or red/pink HINT HINT), Duo casting while observing (much easier as you get some time to stop talking and think about what's going on and pay more attention to the minimap etc), and duo casting while not observing (obviously the optimal setup to get the "best" performance out of a caster). I don't want to make excuses, but please keep this in mind when commenting on my games that I not only solo cast but also control the camera for
-With regards to the "flipflopping" my opinion on the game, I think this is probably the thing that is most-often misunderstood about me. First off, when I play starcraft myself, I get frustrated. It's a frustrating game, and if you are constantly watching professional koreans play, and then play yourself and see how garbage you are, it gets really maddening. Little annoying aspects of the game coupled with that frustration can make me go off on rants about how awful certain design decisions were by blizzard, but the majority of it is venting. Over 99% of what I say when I stream my own games is just me venting and saying things I don't really mean. I think since I streamed before I was casting, people get this idea that the streamer me is who I really am, and that I'm being fake when I cast or something. This couldn't be further from the truth. I'm usually a pretty reasonable and happy guy IRL. SC2 just really brings out that rage/frustration and I just roll with it and say whatever comes to my mind.
I think the biggest distinction is that while I LOVE watching starcraft, I don't LOVE playing. I enjoy playing (sometimes more than others), but at the same time I get really mad and frustrated. When I'm watching starcraft (casting or just casually watching), there's nothing to get mad at, so I just get to enjoy the beauty of both of the players' strategies and how they interact.
I hope that clears the issue up at least a little. I honestly don't hate starcraft, I just say things like that to vent my anger and frustration. I apologize if this negatively affects your ability to enjoy my casts 
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Probably been mention 100 times, but the only thing i felt was that you need a better mic. Other than that, not bad
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On March 05 2012 09:48 Joedaddy wrote:
I can't separate Orb the caster from Orb the streamer. I've watched your stream in the past and listened to you rage about how terrible SC2 is. I've heard you talk about how "retarded" Blizzard is, and how much you hate SC2. You have trashed this game to such an extent that when I hear you casting I can't take you seriously as a caster. All I see when you cast is someone who enjoys being e-famous, and is willing to garner that casting a game they absolutely despise.
Overall, I enjoy the analytical style of casting that you have, but I think that you need to be consistent in how you represent yourself. Don't shit on the game while you stream, and then talk about how great it is when you cast. When you flip flop between shitting on the game and then casting like the game is something special, it makes me think you are fake. How you present yourself in public via lans, streams, etc does impact how people perceive you.
Take someone like Day[9] who is the exact same guy regardless of what he is doing in the public light. He is always goofy, excited, and displays a genuine love for the game whether he is on State of the Game or casting a major tournament. Its incredibly endearing, and I think you would benefit from trying to emulate that in your public persona.
I'm not saying you should act like someone you're not. You have to be you, but be consistent.
Have you ever watched Artosis stream?
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On March 05 2012 11:11 -orb- wrote:Thanks for all the feedback again. To address/respond to some points in case the commenters were curious: -Please don't take any information about me from that eg intro video haha. It was edited so the questions they asked were taken out and also responses were cut mid-sentence reality-tv style. When I watched it myself I was like "damn I seem like just a bit of a douche" LOL -As I've said before, please try to understand the distinction between these three styles of casting: Solo casting while observing (ridiculously difficult, especially if the players choose dumb colors like red/green or red/pink HINT HINT), Duo casting while observing (much easier as you get some time to stop talking and think about what's going on and pay more attention to the minimap etc), and duo casting while not observing (obviously the optimal setup to get the "best" performance out of a caster). I don't want to make excuses, but please keep this in mind when commenting on my games that I not only solo cast but also control the camera for -With regards to the "flipflopping" my opinion on the game, I think this is probably the thing that is most-often misunderstood about me. First off, when I play starcraft myself, I get frustrated. It's a frustrating game, and if you are constantly watching professional koreans play, and then play yourself and see how garbage you are, it gets really maddening. Little annoying aspects of the game coupled with that frustration can make me go off on rants about how awful certain design decisions were by blizzard, but the majority of it is venting. Over 99% of what I say when I stream my own games is just me venting and saying things I don't really mean. I think since I streamed before I was casting, people get this idea that the streamer me is who I really am, and that I'm being fake when I cast or something. This couldn't be further from the truth. I'm usually a pretty reasonable and happy guy IRL. SC2 just really brings out that rage/frustration and I just roll with it and say whatever comes to my mind. I think the biggest distinction is that while I LOVE watching starcraft, I don't LOVE playing. I enjoy playing (sometimes more than others), but at the same time I get really mad and frustrated. When I'm watching starcraft (casting or just casually watching), there's nothing to get mad at, so I just get to enjoy the beauty of both of the players' strategies and how they interact. I hope that clears the issue up at least a little. I honestly don't hate starcraft, I just say things like that to vent my anger and frustration. I apologize if this negatively affects your ability to enjoy my casts Honestly I don't have a problem with any of the things you outlined. All I care about is the shitty mic you were using today and your promise on getting a competent one otherwise I'm never going to watch again. It was so bad that my eardrum now has an infection from the tear of shittyness.
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I found your NASL casting in the past to be quite okay and enjoyed it. But maybe it felt too good to begin with, because anyone looks awesome at casting when sitting next to Gretorp. As with your casting today, I didn't really feel much of an improvement to the NASL casting a few months ago. Maybe that was because you were alone and had to manage everything by yourself, not being able to focus. You were missing a lot of the action, while talking about something else and we only got to watch many good scenes through the minimap :-)
Style comes with time ... Whether people wanna see you doing detail analysis or just TB-casting is personal preference.
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Casting was alright, mic issues though. No need to emulate TB or Artosis or whoever. I don't care for jokes or colourful language.
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Good analysis, thought so with NASL too. Definitely back off the mic a bit or use a pop filter.
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