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On December 05 2011 02:24 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 02:10 Diavlo wrote:On December 05 2011 01:33 Talin wrote:
I'm not comparing SC2 to BW, I'm comparing SC2 to SC2 and him being by far the best foreigner and mechanically better than any Korean SC2 player (2010) to him being once-in-a-blue-moon high level foreigner (now). You are such a troll... -IdrA is still a top foreigner -He was not mechanically better than all the korean SC2 players, even when the majority of the B teamer hadn't joined SC2 yet (bomber, puma, mvp), Cool, tester, F***ing nada were at the very least as strong as him. If you're arguing that he's doing better at EG than he would have been doing if he were on oGs or TSL from the start or SlayerS when they formed... then you're arguing against common sense.
well... the original argument was that EG did had a big part in raising idrA to be who he is today skill wise...
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While EG may be superior in-game, they've got nothing on Mouz' trashtalk. Hilarious!
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On December 04 2011 23:54 Ventor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 23:51 Ventris wrote:On December 04 2011 23:47 Ventor wrote:On December 04 2011 23:01 trucane wrote:
EG is pathetic IMO. Sure they have the cash to buy some good players but they will never ever be able to have any homegrown talent Don't be bias because you're from sweden and mouz is swedish. EG has more talent than mouz and it's apparent in this tournament. 1. mouz isn't from Sweden 2. yeah EG has bought alot of talents after they became big names on other teams  Well after all mouz kicked two EG players and EG only one from mouz  And iNcontroLs tweet is quite pathetic I meant their players, they are almost all swedish. It's painful to see how bias europeans are towards their own players but there is nothing I can do. I enjoy watching a lot of euro players but when I see euros bash on NA players and teams, its quite saddening.
"EG has more talent than mouz, don't be jealous"
-yea eg bought alot of talents
and then you get pissed off calling him biased? You just said EG has more talent than mouz, lol. No offence but holy shait People with this bad logical thinking is just soo uncommon in sweden that I'm just reading this over and over almost feeling scared (incase you aren't trolliong that is)
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On December 05 2011 00:24 Ventris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 00:21 mcc wrote:On December 05 2011 00:01 Ventor wrote:On December 04 2011 23:59 Ventris wrote:On December 04 2011 23:54 Ventor wrote:On December 04 2011 23:51 Ventris wrote:On December 04 2011 23:47 Ventor wrote:On December 04 2011 23:01 trucane wrote:
EG is pathetic IMO. Sure they have the cash to buy some good players but they will never ever be able to have any homegrown talent Don't be bias because you're from sweden and mouz is swedish. EG has more talent than mouz and it's apparent in this tournament. 1. mouz isn't from Sweden 2. yeah EG has bought alot of talents after they became big names on other teams Well after all mouz kicked two EG players and EG only one from mouz And iNcontroLs tweet is quite pathetic I meant their players, they are almost all swedish. It's painful to see how bias europeans are towards their own players but there is nothing I can do. I enjoy watching a lot of euro players but when I see euros bash on NA players and teams, its quite saddening. So which great NA talents has EG: HuK and IdrA are worldclass. PuMa as well, but he's from Korea. DemusliM can be good when he trains, he is british. The rest of the team is somewhere between midtier and really bad Yes, those are their good players. What's your point? That EG has no homegrown talent, which was the original point that was made ? Unlike the person who claimed that I donot agree with that, I think you can easily count Idra as homegrown talent, but that is it. IdrA was a strong BW player before and was bought by EG after he had an impressive beta and won an MLG
And mouz signing thorzain after his tsl3 win counts him as homegrown talent?
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Thorzain signed for mousesports before the TSL3 win.
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On December 05 2011 03:53 Talin wrote:
Thorzain signed for mousesports before the TSL3 win.
to be specific it was 10 days before winning TSL3...
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its quite sad how mouz won in the foreign battle and then got owned by puma 
most hilarious thread ever with all the hating after a friendly trashtalk lol
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On December 05 2011 03:47 Fangzhou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 00:24 Ventris wrote:On December 05 2011 00:21 mcc wrote:On December 05 2011 00:01 Ventor wrote:On December 04 2011 23:59 Ventris wrote:On December 04 2011 23:54 Ventor wrote:On December 04 2011 23:51 Ventris wrote:On December 04 2011 23:47 Ventor wrote:On December 04 2011 23:01 trucane wrote:
EG is pathetic IMO. Sure they have the cash to buy some good players but they will never ever be able to have any homegrown talent Don't be bias because you're from sweden and mouz is swedish. EG has more talent than mouz and it's apparent in this tournament. 1. mouz isn't from Sweden 2. yeah EG has bought alot of talents after they became big names on other teams Well after all mouz kicked two EG players and EG only one from mouz And iNcontroLs tweet is quite pathetic I meant their players, they are almost all swedish. It's painful to see how bias europeans are towards their own players but there is nothing I can do. I enjoy watching a lot of euro players but when I see euros bash on NA players and teams, its quite saddening. So which great NA talents has EG: HuK and IdrA are worldclass. PuMa as well, but he's from Korea. DemusliM can be good when he trains, he is british. The rest of the team is somewhere between midtier and really bad Yes, those are their good players. What's your point? That EG has no homegrown talent, which was the original point that was made ? Unlike the person who claimed that I donot agree with that, I think you can easily count Idra as homegrown talent, but that is it. IdrA was a strong BW player before and was bought by EG after he had an impressive beta and won an MLG And mouz signing thorzain after his tsl3 win counts him as homegrown talent?
retard, dont lie,
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On December 05 2011 02:24 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 02:10 Diavlo wrote:On December 05 2011 01:33 Talin wrote:
I'm not comparing SC2 to BW, I'm comparing SC2 to SC2 and him being by far the best foreigner and mechanically better than any Korean SC2 player (2010) to him being once-in-a-blue-moon high level foreigner (now). You are such a troll... -IdrA is still a top foreigner -He was not mechanically better than all the korean SC2 players, even when the majority of the B teamer hadn't joined SC2 yet (bomber, puma, mvp), Cool, tester, F***ing nada were at the very least as strong as him. If you're arguing that he's doing better at EG than he would have been doing if he were on oGs or TSL from the start or SlayerS when they formed... then you're arguing against common sense.
I didn't say that. There is next to no doubt that he would have been better if he had stayed in korea. He said so himself. But he wanted to come back to the US because that's were the money is and because he wished to be a part of the growth of Esport in the west.
In those conditions, being in EG was probably the best thing for him, they gave him the best practice environment possible in the US (especially considering the fact that IdrA had so little drive to practice) and now a partnership with Slayers. And that's why I say that EG can be credited with the fact that IdrA retained a high level despite the very clear problem of consistently playing in the US.
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On December 05 2011 02:42 damod wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 02:24 Talin wrote:On December 05 2011 02:10 Diavlo wrote:On December 05 2011 01:33 Talin wrote:
I'm not comparing SC2 to BW, I'm comparing SC2 to SC2 and him being by far the best foreigner and mechanically better than any Korean SC2 player (2010) to him being once-in-a-blue-moon high level foreigner (now). You are such a troll... -IdrA is still a top foreigner -He was not mechanically better than all the korean SC2 players, even when the majority of the B teamer hadn't joined SC2 yet (bomber, puma, mvp), Cool, tester, F***ing nada were at the very least as strong as him. If you're arguing that he's doing better at EG than he would have been doing if he were on oGs or TSL from the start or SlayerS when they formed... then you're arguing against common sense. well... the original argument was that EG did had a big part in raising idrA to be who he is today skill wise...
Hehe, Idra was Idra before he joined EG, they did not raise him
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On December 05 2011 04:01 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 02:24 Talin wrote:On December 05 2011 02:10 Diavlo wrote:On December 05 2011 01:33 Talin wrote:
I'm not comparing SC2 to BW, I'm comparing SC2 to SC2 and him being by far the best foreigner and mechanically better than any Korean SC2 player (2010) to him being once-in-a-blue-moon high level foreigner (now). You are such a troll... -IdrA is still a top foreigner -He was not mechanically better than all the korean SC2 players, even when the majority of the B teamer hadn't joined SC2 yet (bomber, puma, mvp), Cool, tester, F***ing nada were at the very least as strong as him. If you're arguing that he's doing better at EG than he would have been doing if he were on oGs or TSL from the start or SlayerS when they formed... then you're arguing against common sense. I didn't say that. There is next to no doubt that he would have been better if he had stayed in korea. He said so himself. But he wanted to come back to the US because that's were the money is and because he wished to be a part of the growth of Esport in the west. In those conditions, being in EG was probably the best thing for him, they gave him the best practice environment possible in the US (especially considering the fact that IdrA had so little drive to practice) and now a partnership with Slayers. And that's why I say that EG can be credited with the fact that IdrA retained a high level despite the very clear problem of consistently playing in the US.
That isn't what the other people were saying. While Idra did retain a high enough skill level (especially for NA), he fell behind a lot of Koreans and several foreigners relative to where he was around SC2 release. Therefore EG did not "grow him" or make him a better player.
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On December 05 2011 04:02 Ilvy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 02:42 damod wrote:On December 05 2011 02:24 Talin wrote:On December 05 2011 02:10 Diavlo wrote:On December 05 2011 01:33 Talin wrote:
I'm not comparing SC2 to BW, I'm comparing SC2 to SC2 and him being by far the best foreigner and mechanically better than any Korean SC2 player (2010) to him being once-in-a-blue-moon high level foreigner (now). You are such a troll... -IdrA is still a top foreigner -He was not mechanically better than all the korean SC2 players, even when the majority of the B teamer hadn't joined SC2 yet (bomber, puma, mvp), Cool, tester, F***ing nada were at the very least as strong as him. If you're arguing that he's doing better at EG than he would have been doing if he were on oGs or TSL from the start or SlayerS when they formed... then you're arguing against common sense. well... the original argument was that EG did had a big part in raising idrA to be who he is today skill wise... Hehe, Idra was Idra before he joined EG, they did not raise him
I'd say, what EG has done to Idra has changed him a bit though. Especially past couple of months, all the mental issues and so on.
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EG takes a cheap shot on a small tournament most korean teams chose not to participate in. what happened on MLG providence EG? compLexity did good with Naniwa taking 1st global invitational, and 2nd + 3rd in the providence.
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Wow this is all fun and games of friendly banter between two great teams and then this thread devolves into shit... why isn't it surprising...
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On December 05 2011 04:08 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 04:02 Ilvy wrote:On December 05 2011 02:42 damod wrote:On December 05 2011 02:24 Talin wrote:On December 05 2011 02:10 Diavlo wrote:On December 05 2011 01:33 Talin wrote:
I'm not comparing SC2 to BW, I'm comparing SC2 to SC2 and him being by far the best foreigner and mechanically better than any Korean SC2 player (2010) to him being once-in-a-blue-moon high level foreigner (now). You are such a troll... -IdrA is still a top foreigner -He was not mechanically better than all the korean SC2 players, even when the majority of the B teamer hadn't joined SC2 yet (bomber, puma, mvp), Cool, tester, F***ing nada were at the very least as strong as him. If you're arguing that he's doing better at EG than he would have been doing if he were on oGs or TSL from the start or SlayerS when they formed... then you're arguing against common sense. well... the original argument was that EG did had a big part in raising idrA to be who he is today skill wise... Hehe, Idra was Idra before he joined EG, they did not raise him I'd say, what EG has done to Idra has changed him a bit though. Especially past couple of months, all the mental issues and so on.
and i think that almost anyone could make the argument that if Idra had stayed in korea and been training in the Slayers house (or any respected sc house), his play would be significantly better. It's just dam near impossible to compete with korean style of training. It's not even that koreans are necessarily better, they just happen to live in a country and environment that welcomes and supports competitive e sports on a huge scale that allows for houses and managers and crazy training with some of the best players in the world.
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EG painted themselves into a corner.... >.>
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On December 05 2011 04:02 Ilvy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 02:42 damod wrote:On December 05 2011 02:24 Talin wrote:On December 05 2011 02:10 Diavlo wrote:On December 05 2011 01:33 Talin wrote:
I'm not comparing SC2 to BW, I'm comparing SC2 to SC2 and him being by far the best foreigner and mechanically better than any Korean SC2 player (2010) to him being once-in-a-blue-moon high level foreigner (now). You are such a troll... -IdrA is still a top foreigner -He was not mechanically better than all the korean SC2 players, even when the majority of the B teamer hadn't joined SC2 yet (bomber, puma, mvp), Cool, tester, F***ing nada were at the very least as strong as him. If you're arguing that he's doing better at EG than he would have been doing if he were on oGs or TSL from the start or SlayerS when they formed... then you're arguing against common sense. well... the original argument was that EG did had a big part in raising idrA to be who he is today skill wise... Hehe, Idra was Idra before he joined EG, they did not raise him
You is crazzzzy. In the latest esfi interview hes literally glowing with positivity. Hes been media trained and alot of his attitude has been fixed, hes also back into a regular training schedule. Hell they even can sell him in commercials. Before had a fuckoff its all about the game attitude like naniwa but now hes easily one of the most skilled and marketable players. Eg did well making their investment work. Whereas mouz management is even more talented because they only seem to sign mature, self motivated, hardworking players lik tzain, morrow and mana.
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Naniwa's attitude is the best attitude a player could possibly have though.
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On December 05 2011 04:08 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 04:01 Diavlo wrote:On December 05 2011 02:24 Talin wrote:On December 05 2011 02:10 Diavlo wrote:On December 05 2011 01:33 Talin wrote:
I'm not comparing SC2 to BW, I'm comparing SC2 to SC2 and him being by far the best foreigner and mechanically better than any Korean SC2 player (2010) to him being once-in-a-blue-moon high level foreigner (now). You are such a troll... -IdrA is still a top foreigner -He was not mechanically better than all the korean SC2 players, even when the majority of the B teamer hadn't joined SC2 yet (bomber, puma, mvp), Cool, tester, F***ing nada were at the very least as strong as him. If you're arguing that he's doing better at EG than he would have been doing if he were on oGs or TSL from the start or SlayerS when they formed... then you're arguing against common sense. I didn't say that. There is next to no doubt that he would have been better if he had stayed in korea. He said so himself. But he wanted to come back to the US because that's were the money is and because he wished to be a part of the growth of Esport in the west. In those conditions, being in EG was probably the best thing for him, they gave him the best practice environment possible in the US (especially considering the fact that IdrA had so little drive to practice) and now a partnership with Slayers. And that's why I say that EG can be credited with the fact that IdrA retained a high level despite the very clear problem of consistently playing in the US. That isn't what the other people were saying. While Idra did retain a high enough skill level (especially for NA), he fell behind a lot of Koreans and several foreigners relative to where he was around SC2 release. Therefore EG did not "grow him" or make him a better player.
They made him a better player, just not as much as if he was in a korean team house.
You argued that he was actually worse than when he played in CJ, which is stupid. He is not as close to the top as he was at the time but he plays significantly better, just like everybody else...
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On December 05 2011 04:25 Talin wrote:
Naniwa's attitude is the best attitude a player could possibly have though.
Yes, that would explain the thousands of hate posts I've seen directed towards him.
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