EPTEG vs mouz rivalry on twitter - Page 20
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RoyAlex
Norway420 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10980 Posts
They basically bought a Korean and the 2 most expenisve players and got nothing else except a really big mascot/player... | ||
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seiferoth10
3362 Posts
On December 03 2011 10:56 dtz wrote: Developed would be the word i guess. As stated in the transfer statement of HuK, EG thanked Huk and give a lot of credit to Liquid for making Huk the player that he is. A lot of people argue that EG does not really develop their players while Mouz and Liquid does. Like Hero has definitely improved leaps and bounds in terms of play and fame after the acquisition. Huk and Idra had been a very famous top player even before EG. So yea bought is probably a bad word since everyone is a professional. Oh good lord, you just said TL "developed" Hero, but disqualified Idra. Oh the hypocrisy. | ||
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Twistacles
Canada1327 Posts
I like it anyway though | ||
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Theeakoz
United States1114 Posts
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
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dtz
5834 Posts
On December 03 2011 10:57 seiferoth10 wrote: Oh good lord, you just said TL "developed" Hero, but disqualified Idra. Oh the hypocrisy. Huh why is that. Everyone knows about Idra before he joined EG right? He was a top player before he joined EG is that not correct? The most famous Starcraft 2 International Player probably. Who knows about Hero before he joined Liquid? Not that many? Would you not say it is correct that Hero's results and fame and market value has increased tremendously since he joined liquid? Anyway i was just trying to explain what I think a lot of people are trying to say. In fact, I like EG and Mouz both. | ||
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Kloudi
Sweden21 Posts
On December 03 2011 10:56 MattO1337 wrote: Of course I followed the scene. The majority of euro teams > the majority of NA teams. However, EG 1.6 > Mouz 1.6 Even UMX.us is better than EG so no mouz is far away ahead | ||
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MattO1337
United States203 Posts
On December 03 2011 10:56 dtz wrote: Developed would be the word i guess. As stated in the transfer statement of HuK, EG thanked Huk and give a lot of credit to Liquid for making Huk the player that he is. A lot of people argue that EG does not really develop their players while Mouz and Liquid does. Like Hero has definitely improved leaps and bounds in terms of play and fame after the acquisition. Huk and Idra had been a very famous top player even before EG. So yea bought is probably a bad word since everyone is a professional. I don't really care much to be honest but i think that's what a lot of people mean. Really? Seriously really? Hero may have improved since he left oGs and joined TL, but he still lives and trains with oGs, not Liquid. Liquid bought hero the same way that EG bought HuK and PuMa. | ||
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theMiNUS
United States333 Posts
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seiferoth10
3362 Posts
On December 03 2011 10:59 MattO1337 wrote: Really? Seriously really? Hero may have improved since he left oGs and joined TL, but he still lives and trains with oGs, not Liquid. Liquid bought hero the same way that EG bought HuK and PuMa. Not to TL fans! When TL "buys" a player, clearly a panel of the players coaches, parents, grandparents, lawyers, and children assemble to develop a contract. When EG "buys" a player, they hand cuff him and put a bag over his head, then shove money in his pants and kidnap him. Or at least that's how TL fans see it. | ||
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
On December 03 2011 10:38 skrotcyk wrote: "raise players" must be the dumbest fucking expression i've ever heard. Well he has a point... PuMa is super gosu because he used to play BW and then practiced with TSL; HuK wouldn't be where he is today without TeamLiquid and IdrA's situation is like PuMa's in that he was playing BW for other teams long before EG had any interest in him. EG has money so they bought those players after they already had become great. Players like MorroW or MaNa became big name players while they were on Mouz. That's not to bash on EG, but EG doesn't necessarily have a record of making great StarCraft players, but rather bringing them together (this is why I compare them to the Yankees or the Heat--they have money, they get great players from all over, and they make a killer team). | ||
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MattO1337
United States203 Posts
On December 03 2011 10:59 Kloudi wrote: Even UMX.us is better than EG so no mouz is far away ahead I was referring more to EG in it's prime as EG's current 1.6 team is kinda weak, same with Mouz' current team. EG with Frod > Mouz EG with Shaguar > Mouz EG with Blackpanther < Mouz Past 3 EG teams were better than the previous 3 Mouz teams. | ||
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empty.bottle
685 Posts
On December 03 2011 11:01 seiferoth10 wrote: Not to TL fans! When TL "buys" a player, clearly a panel of the players coaches, parents, grandparents, lawyers, and children assemble to develop a contract. When EG "buys" a player, they hand cuff him and put a bag over his head, then shove money in his pants and kidnap him. Or at least that's how TL fans see it. Not just TL fans | ||
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On December 03 2011 10:56 dtz wrote: Developed would be the word i guess. As stated in the transfer statement of HuK, EG thanked Huk and give a lot of credit to Liquid for making Huk the player that he is. A lot of people argue that EG does not really develop their players while Mouz and Liquid does. Like Hero has definitely improved leaps and bounds in terms of play and fame after the acquisition. Huk and Idra had been a very famous top player even before EG. So yea bought is probably a bad word since everyone is a professional. I don't really care much to be honest but i think that's what a lot of people mean. Again, though, I don't see the problem. One team has a talent for developing players, the other team has a talent for spotting them. (Not saying this is the case, this is a hypothetical discussion) One could argue that the comparison is seen in football sometimes. Certain teams seem to make superstars, others seem to end up getting them in trades and transactions. One can, and will, argue that Team A which won the Superbowl with a "homegrown" team is inherently better than Team B which won the Superbowl with a "bought team". The other school of thought is that whatever team wins is the best, at that time, and the fact is that professional sports is about winning. Not winning with honor, or winning the hard way, or winning like a champ. Winning. Not cheating, but not being "fair" or "honorable" either. If Team A develops superstars but loses them to Team B.... well... that sucks for Team A. Team A will probably start losing. | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
On December 03 2011 10:59 MattO1337 wrote: Really? Seriously really? Hero may have improved since he left oGs and joined TL, but he still lives and trains with oGs, not Liquid. Liquid bought hero the same way that EG bought HuK and PuMa. Let's just agree to disagree then. In my opinion, since joining Liquid, Hero has his streams, he is flown to tournaments all over the world. He has way more fans now than before. Arguably, he has way more tournament experiences and thus better results. He can overcome his nerves while playing in front of a crowd with big things at stake better as compared to if he just train at OGS house. I will argue that means that he has developed as a player and as a household name. I agree with you that in a way, Puma has as well. Just not as much as Hero. He came to NASL as a TSL player though but since then EG has definitely supported and developed him well. If you disagree then fine. | ||
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Kloudi
Sweden21 Posts
On December 03 2011 11:02 MattO1337 wrote: I was referring more to EG in it's prime as EG's current 1.6 team is kinda weak, same with Mouz' current team. EG with Frod > Mouz EG with Shaguar > Mouz EG with Blackpanther < Mouz Past 3 EG teams were better than the previous 3 Mouz teams. they have better lineup than last years with karrigan one of the best players at the last events ESWC / Dreamhack and frod leaved EG Mouz > EG | ||
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drezi
Iceland72 Posts
On December 03 2011 10:56 MattO1337 wrote: Of course I followed the scene. The majority of euro teams > the majority of NA teams. However, EG 1.6 > Mouz 1.6 The mouz team with kapio, gob b, tixo, cyx & gore was such a sick lineup, sadly cyx then died in a car accident, may he rest in peace. EG 1.6 barely did anything, they only won pan america, barely got any other good showings compared to mouz The only EG lineup that was close to comparing was the Frod,storm, nothing one, the canadians were almost always average at most | ||
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Kloudi
Sweden21 Posts
On December 03 2011 11:07 drezi wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2011 10:56 MattO1337 wrote: Of course I followed the scene. The majority of euro teams > the majority of NA teams. However, EG 1.6 > Mouz 1.6 The mouz team with kapio, gob b, tixo, cyx & gore was such a sick lineup, sadly cyx then died in a car accident, may he rest in peace. EG 1.6 barely did anything, they only won pan america, barely got any other good showings compared to mouz Karrigan one the sickest players in 2011 Mouz !! | ||
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geNis
113 Posts
On December 03 2011 11:07 drezi wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2011 10:56 MattO1337 wrote: Of course I followed the scene. The majority of euro teams > the majority of NA teams. However, EG 1.6 > Mouz 1.6 The mouz team with kapio, gob b, tixo, cyx & gore was such a sick lineup, sadly cyx then died in a car accident, may he rest in peace. EG 1.6 barely did anything, they only won pan america, barely got any other good showings compared to mouz As an American who loves the legacy of fRoD, storm, etc, EG never could complete with the European 1.6 teams consistently. Sure, the EG.cs team beat some of the Eu teams at times, but never consistently. The only North American teams that could truly beat European teams was old coL. and 3D. | ||
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