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Hey all,
Real quick I just wanted to let everyone know what is going on right now and what went down with IPL 3 today.
We got back to work a few hours before the start of broadcast, tested everything and were all set to go. A few seconds before our countdown timer ended, with everyone ready to go, we all lost connection to the internet. After a couple hours of trying different solutions and being on the phone with a lot of different people, we learned that a vehicle had hit a pole a few miles away and cut the Comcast fiber line. We were able to rig up a setup that involved an old non-fiber line and a backup satellite to get the streams and internet back up again. Special thanks to Blizzard for being able to quickly whitelist our new IPs. After a few hours, the latency kept steadily increasing to the point of unplayability. To keep the integrity of the tournament I had to make the call to shut down the event until Comcast kicks back in. We hope to be back up and running shortly, but all I have is a vague estimated time. We apologize to the community for these issues and thank everyone for your patience and understanding. As you might expect, the schedule for the next two days is subject to change but we do hope to provide everyone with some great content.
Thank you.
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you all are doing a great job, but most of all thanks for updating us with whats happening, i really appreciate that
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wow... hope it gets going soon... good luck!
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Don't listen to the haters, intelligent people know you're trying your best and doing everything you can to provide us with a great show.
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Arrrgh. What a random act of god, that sucks Alex. glgl.
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Great update, thanks for the info!
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On October 08 2011 07:19 Defacer wrote:
Arrrgh. What a random act of god, that sucks Alex. glgl.
whats god have to do with someone hitting a pole?
anyways thats unfortunate, hopefully comcast gets it repaired quickly
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On October 08 2011 07:20 PhiliBiRD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 07:19 Defacer wrote:
Arrrgh. What a random act of god, that sucks Alex. glgl. whats god have to do with someone hitting a pole? anyways thats unfortunate, hopefully comcast gets it repaired quickly
*crosses fingers *
don't derail....
In all seriousness... is there any estimate to when this might be back up?
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so the backup would have been ok had blizzard added lan? hmm blizzard, might be a good time to get a "tournament edition" lan version of SC2 out there now...
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On October 08 2011 07:14 Alex.IGN wrote:
Hey all,
Real quick I just wanted to let everyone know what is going on right now and what went down with IPL 3 today.
We got back to work a few hours before the start of broadcast, tested everything and were all set to go. A few seconds before our countdown timer ended, with everyone ready to go, we all lost connection to the internet. After a couple hours of trying different solutions and being on the phone with a lot of different people, we learned that a vehicle had hit a pole a few miles away and cut the Comcast fiber line. We were able to rig up a setup that involved an old non-fiber line and a backup satellite to get the streams and internet back up again. Special thanks to Blizzard for being able to quickly whitelist our new IPs. After a few hours, the latency kept steadily increasing to the point of unplayability. To keep the integrity of the tournament I had to make the call to shut down the event until Comcast kicks back in. We hope to be back up and running shortly, but all I have is a vague estimated time. We apologize to the community for these issues and thank everyone for your patience and understanding. As you might expect, the schedule for the next two days is subject to change but we do hope to provide everyone with some great content.
Thank you.
What will happen with the results of games that've already been played today?
the TL twitter said that hero and others were complaining about lag during his series with sleep
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We have faith folks, keep up the good work. And thanks to Blizzard, who may not control the internet, but I least did what they could.
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Seriously, your guys in channel 5/6 did an awesome job to keep the downtime disaster minimized. You may consider give them extra bonus for saving the day 
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As far as damage control goes, you guys are doing a great job! Thank you
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Maybe I'm just being bitter, but I don't really feel like you should be thanking Blizzard because this would have been a non issue if there was LAN play. Almost every single tournament is plagued with connection issues and its really disappointing for both the live audience and the people streaming from home.
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hurricanes at MLG's, rampaging pole smashing trucks at IPL
What's next? Lizard people at GSL?
EDIT: Thanks for the update
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Thanks for the quick notice, we all know it's not your fault, still a big fan of the tourney. Best of luck that it's fixed quickly!!!
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Shit happens. IPL 3 has still been one of the best events so far in SC2. I really hope this pays off for you guys in the long run.
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Thank you for the response. Very professional and courteous to have transperancy between the company and its user base. "Acts of God" occur and it's nice to see that you are working towards a resolution!
Edit: Whoever hit that pole needs to be dubbed as the new meme for ruining eSports! 
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You guys are so unlucky, awesome event and the production value is still top notch. Shit happends, unfortuntate but yeah :<
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i love this tournament even with the problems!
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Blizzard ruining another event.
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On October 08 2011 07:34 RoyGBiv_13 wrote:hurricanes at MLG's, rampaging pole smashing trucks at IPL What's next? Lizard people at GSL? EDIT: Thanks for the update
Well Nestea is a reptilian according to Artosis.
Honestly the IPL guys are doing the best they can given the circumstances and what games we can see are usually fairly entertaining. I imagine this is stressing the fuck out of the players though.
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Blizzard ruining another event.
Dustin Browder was the one that smashed the truck into the pole.
You better believe it.
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On October 08 2011 07:20 PhiliBiRD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 07:19 Defacer wrote:
Arrrgh. What a random act of god, that sucks Alex. glgl. whats god have to do with someone hitting a pole? anyways thats unfortunate, hopefully comcast gets it repaired quickly
It's an expression, sheesh. It's like saying "the devil's in the details". Doesn't mean I believe in Satan, either.
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oops sorry me stupid
User was warned for this post
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No Lan(TM) feature protects you from evil internet software pirates! And other things.
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On October 08 2011 07:39 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 07:20 PhiliBiRD wrote:On October 08 2011 07:19 Defacer wrote:
Arrrgh. What a random act of god, that sucks Alex. glgl. whats god have to do with someone hitting a pole? anyways thats unfortunate, hopefully comcast gets it repaired quickly It's an expression, sheesh. It's like saying "the devil's in the details". Doesn't mean I believe in Satan, either. God had to stop it before it was to late, otherwise IPL3 would be too sick and bring about the rapture some decades too early.
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Oh wow, that's super unlucky. Well good luck onwards, and I think everybody is ultimately going to walk away with a really positive impression of the event
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Thanks for keeping us informed! Great event and hopefully everything will get resolved soon.
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this is super unfortunate. seems like everyone involved is doing their best to deal with it though.
+ Show Spoiler +makes me worry about the fiber being set up in my town, some of it is underground but the area i live in will be above ground. it's always tragic when internet goes down.
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On October 08 2011 07:39 CeriseCherries wrote:
GODDAM COMCAST RUIN EVERYTHING!!!! </3 i have comcast and i just lose service sometimes for now reason...
...did you read the thread?
a vehicle was the reason that ipl doesn't have a proper internet connection.
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On October 08 2011 07:22 Keitzer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 07:20 PhiliBiRD wrote:On October 08 2011 07:19 Defacer wrote:
Arrrgh. What a random act of god, that sucks Alex. glgl. whats god have to do with someone hitting a pole? anyways thats unfortunate, hopefully comcast gets it repaired quickly *crosses fingers * don't derail.... In all seriousness... is there any estimate to when this might be back up?
Obviously means that god was driving that vehicle <.<
OT, hope it gets back up soon, best tournament quality by FAR.
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I payed for the prime stream and never for a second got impression I wasted money. The content on prime stream is great, the Beast Crew rocks. And I can see you guys doing everything possible to make things run smooth. So no worries here.
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It's a real shame that Blizzard automatically blacklists so many big tournaments now. Happened briefly at MLG Columbus as well. It's just sad to see if this game is going to be around for the next decade that we will have to deal with this for so long...
Just unlucky about the fiber. Really guys bitching and blaming comcast over that? Guess nobody has been in a network administrator role before. There's simply things that happen that are out of your hands. Don't blame comcast for some drunk hitting a pole... seriously? lol
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On October 08 2011 07:46 Shinobi1982 wrote:
I payed for the prime stream and never for a second got impression I wasted money. The content on prime stream is great, the Beast Crew rocks. And I can see you guys doing everything possible to make things run smooth. So no worries here.
This is pretty much exactly how I feel
GJ IPL
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"We don't currently plan to support LAN play with StarCraft II, as we are building Battle.net to be the ideal destination for multiplayer gaming with StarCraft II and future Blizzard Entertainment games. While this was a difficult decision for us, we felt that moving away from LAN play and directing players to our upgraded Battle.net service was the best option to ensure a quality multiplayer experience with StarCraft II"
-Blizzard
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even with the technical hiccups, the games have been great. nice job overall.
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IPL is so sexy I hope you guys get everything sorted ^^
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Still a great tourney regardless. Hopefully everything works out eventually.
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You guys pulled off a pretty incredible save with all of the content provided by your epic cameraman and Lani. Very entertaining stuff. Between that and the BW games (especially Boxer)... some pretty epic stuff happened.
I actually think getting the internet knocked out might have actually made it better for observers, frankly.
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Thank you for the update, and keeping us entertained with other things on the streams in the mean time!
Hoepfully, everything gets fixed soon
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To be honest I'm really enjoying the prime streams, like really. Boxer BW / Hayward / chasing the vehicle of esport with a cab was amazing !
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Huge thanks to IGN for keeping us informed during the unfortunate downtime.
You're doing an awesome job!
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Alex the community (for the most part) is smart enough to know when something is out of your control.
You guys are doing great and we will be here and ready when things get going! Still loving IGN for this!
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IPL held up well despite all these adversities. Sunday will turn out great, I believe in you guys!
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You could always just go with a more basic stream, go with a lower sound quality, and just not go HD (as many people who complain about most can't even tell the difference without a side by side comparison) even a decent DSL line can handle that.
But I respect that you want to keep your standards at a certain level. Nothing you can do about something like that, best of luck to you getting things back up and going.
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Lol. Boxer playing Brood War. <3
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On October 08 2011 07:49 oDDable wrote:
You guys pulled off a pretty incredible save with all of the content provided by your epic cameraman and Lani. Very entertaining stuff. Between that and the BW games (especially Boxer)... some pretty epic stuff happened.
I actually think getting the internet knocked out might have actually made it better for observers, frankly.
They played Brood War games? Aghh why'd they run the tournament while people in their own timezone were at school
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Blizzard *cough* Lan *cough*? oh battle.net 2.0 will solve everything right?
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hang in there, excited for day 2 after yesterday got me really hyped. everyone at ipl is doing a great job
meanwhile gogo demuslim
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Downtime sucks, they really do, and they will always happen with us being depenend on the internet. However the IPL downtime has been the best i've ever had the pleasure to watch. Lani was amazing, the sc:bw games were awesomely entertaining too!!
Seriously, amazing job IPL, keep it up!
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IPL is doing an amazing job, It's just unfortunate that a truck knocked out the fiber optics.
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Don't get your hopes up for a quick repair guys. The Bally's stream is still running games, so we need to enjoy that and be lucky that a broken fiber line didn't affect that too. Fiber lines need to be dug up usually, and I'm pretty sure that requires getting permits and whatnot.
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We still get more content than MLG even with the huge breaks. The postponement allowed me to watch the IPL even though it was in bad hours, so I'm happy.
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Deezer can't drive - multiple tickets and now he hits a pole. what a turd
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On October 08 2011 07:51 Reborn8u wrote:
You could always just go with a more basic stream, go with a lower sound quality, and just not go HD (as many people who complain about most can't even tell the difference without a side by side comparison) even a decent DSL line can handle that.
But I respect that you want to keep your standards at a certain level. Nothing you can do about something like that, best of luck to you getting things back up and going.
They were saying latency is the problem, not bit rate. Bringing down the bit rate won't improve the latency of whatever old network they are using.
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First live tournament --- big problems --- transparent way of dealing with the issue.
Let me just say, that i love the way, that you are handling this situation. <3 and i hope it Comcast will fix it soon :D
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This is Americas fault. Fiber cables in the air? You guys need to get out of the 1950's and get those cables underground. =)
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Ouch, that's terrible luck. Sorry. =(
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Yeah sucks that truck driver doesn't know how to drive and is ruining it for everyone T_T
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Why does blizzard even puts us in these situations?
Arrgh /frustation
Nice of them to respond quickly though.
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Some ridiculously bad luck on your end, it really sucks. Good job keeping us entertained with channel 5 & 6, made the most out of a bad situation.
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Thank you for the update. IPL has done an outstanding job of trying to keep the community informed and engaged. At every step along this tournament, IPL has impressed me and continues to do so here. You can't fix what you can't control and no one will hold that against you. Hope everything resolves itself soon.
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Hopefully everything will get sorted quickly, thanks for letting us know.
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There's no way you guys could have known how things like this sometimes happen. The whole IGN team is rolling with the punches and I'm personally very satisfied with IGN; I know people are doing everything they can to get back up and running again. I'm looking forward to the rest of the weekend and I'm an even bigger IPL fan just because no other organization has shown the want to throw such a primo event. Thanks again!
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not good publicity for Comcast lol
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On October 08 2011 07:20 PhiliBiRD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 07:19 Defacer wrote:
Arrrgh. What a random act of god, that sucks Alex. glgl. whats god have to do with someone hitting a pole? anyways thats unfortunate, hopefully comcast gets it repaired quickly
He was referencing insurance legalese which absolves companies of covering 'acts of god' among other disasters.
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Thanks for the statement.
I think you are doing a ridiculously good job providing entertaining content given the circumstances, so props to you and your staff!
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Truck driver killing ESPORTS, nice to see you're trying hard, production quality in spite of it has been amazing!
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First of all, thank you so much for keeping us informed and for all the hard work you all are doing!!
Second, is it possible to use one of the streams to replay (and just keep showing?) the games that DID happen? SeleCT v Thorzain and Hero v Sleep?
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On October 08 2011 07:58 JeowJeow wrote:
not good publicity for Comcast lol
Their shares are going to plummet.
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Gee, MLG resorting to running a vehicle into a comcast line just to make sure IPL isn't successful?
Just kidding of course =)
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Thanks for the update, damn the luck, I had my night off too
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Extremely unlucky, but oh why can't we have internet-connection enabled lan.. Great job all the same, especially on communicating the cause. It could be better though, it would be great if you could make it a priority to have an updating thread on TL or IPN with news as you get it. No news is terrible news
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It is so sad to hear what is going on. However the biggest part is relying the message to the fans, which you are doing a great job of. There is nothing worse then not knowing what is going on. Especially cause most of the fans are planning their days around this tournament ! Good luck with the rest of the week and I hope everything runs smoothly!
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Appreciate the update from you guys. Nothing you do do about it - and great job keeping the show rolling, despite the challenges.
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On October 08 2011 08:02 Mohdoo wrote:
Gee, MLG resorting to running a vehicle into a comcast line just to make sure IPL isn't successful?
Just kidding of course =)
NASL probably had a hand in this as well... The EU broadcast is happening right now!
Rumor has it that Gretorp was the driver!
Coincidence? I think NOT!
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MLG Orlando ft. 9.0 EARTHQUAKE!
Anyways, awesome job on getting this up so fast, glad to know whats going on.
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Can someone please explain to if i got this right.......
Fibercables in the US are on actual poles above ground? That a truck can demolish?
Thats pretty hilarious IMO.....
The US really need to fix their infrastructure....feel bad for you.....
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Just have the cables under the ground like we have in Europe
I feel so bad for IPL, everything is so awesome aside from the difficulties. Hopefully nothing else happens that interrupts this.
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The way you guys have handled this has made me insanely proud of the esports community. Well done on coping in a horrific situation guys <3
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lol maybe if we had lan support!
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Bad luck, hope it fixes soon!
Much better handling of the situation than other tournaments though, I gotta say.
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I doubt all fiber cable in America is in the air. So stop that.
Also, we should be getting angry at Blizzard right about now.
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Mr. Pardo, do you think we REALLY want LAN?
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Thanks for keeping us updated IGN. Still a great tournament and tons of content. Nothing you can do about what happened.
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Well, that's pretty random and really shitty. I hope everything gets moving again soon without being too behind schedule. I feel really bad for the players.
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I see internet troubles are not of your making, Fine i understand now this brood war business how did you know <3 i love it !!!!!!!!! Thank you for supporting and broadcasting Live On Three as long as they are extended (spoil me rotten to the core I insist),I'm in full support. I wish you great success IGN .
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It looks like Comcast
*puts on glass's*
was using an Artosis Pylon
*YEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHH
http://instantyeah.org/
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lan lan we want lan T.T
how many events must be ruined
before too many are gone
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artosis pole is ruining e-sports
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Thanks for making this statement, I appreciate what you're doing for esports. Unfortunately it's not the first time a NA tournament is plagued by technical issues.
Anyway people should stop blaming the lack of LAN for these issues, and people should stop blaming Blizzard for the lack of LAN.
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On October 08 2011 08:13 Doubles wrote:It looks like Comcast *puts on glass's* was using an Artosis Pylon *YEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHH http://instantyeah.org/
Well played good sir.... well played....
Also more on topic, keep up the great work besides the difficulties that you can't control(and have handled extremely well) the actual tournament has been great! Production value is amazing, lots of content and when thigns are going smoothly very little actual down time! I've been very impressed!
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On October 08 2011 08:06 CruelZeratul wrote:Just have the cables under the ground like we have in Europe I feel so bad for IPL, everything is so awesome aside from the difficulties. Hopefully nothing else happens that interrupts this.
The cables themselves generally run underground. This statement said a tower was hit, aka some sort of structure that probably takes many fibers and joins them together into one big link to go to some other city. The entire city wouldn't lose internet if just one fiber was taken out, this is more likely some sort of processing center.
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Good things you have lots of replays for the open to cast till then.
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IPL, thanks for doing everything you can to provide us with good content. No pain no gain. While you may have pissed off a few idiots out there, you probably gained alot of loyal viewers.
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What the fuck, you are thanking Blizzard? The guys who took an extremely important feature out of the game and fucked you over?
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Just about half of the really important US LANs have had just horrible connection problems that wouldn't have been all that bad if Blizzard had LAN play available. I hope someone in the company is held accountable for the decision to not - at the very least - give tournaments a LAN version of the game.
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thank you for the update still so far it's been one of the best events I've seen, hopefully comcast will fix the problem soon
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On October 08 2011 08:17 Lunares wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 08:06 CruelZeratul wrote:Just have the cables under the ground like we have in Europe I feel so bad for IPL, everything is so awesome aside from the difficulties. Hopefully nothing else happens that interrupts this. The cables themselves generally run underground. This statement said a tower was hit, aka some sort of structure that probably takes many fibers and joins them together into one big link to go to some other city. The entire city wouldn't lose internet if just one fiber was taken out, this is more likely some sort of processing center.
Well actually Lani showed where the cables were broken and it was just cables in the air just being broken in two.
OT : Really unlucky IPL, everything is really awesome, hope this won't demotivate you to do more events in the future cause this was reaaally promising ♥
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Thanks for the explanation, unfortunate stuff that :-(
And +1 for pole meme haha
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So how am I watching lagless Open bracket if there is no internet for the main stage?
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The connection issues are unavoidable alas, but you guys over there still deserves props for the stream quality that I have seem with my limited time. That and the fact I have several other streams to enjoy if I can't enjoy the games I want. So cheers to you guys :D
I like to think of this as a good omen weirdly, NASL season 1 finals had alot of issues and such on the first few days, and they brought us the most amazing finals we've seen to that day, here's to seeing the same happen for IPL!
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LAN or no LAN, Dustin Browder has been trying to prevent accidents like this for some time. Perhaps this is the catalyst that will finally make people understand his obsession with destructible rocks.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bdU9L.jpg)
Thanks for the continued updates!
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Hope you can sort it out soon! I hope you will really put emphasis on VOD's for today's matches and maybe even get some of them casted from replays later on.
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Lani saved the day, could watch the Beast Crew (whoop whoop) mosey around all day
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On October 08 2011 08:35 TORTOISE wrote:
So how am I watching lagless Open bracket if there is no internet for the main stage?
They're at two different locations
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thanks for lettin us know <3 great event so far
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IPL fighting! if it was easy, everyone would be doing it.
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Thanks for the response. When I read about Blizzard being nice enough I think I got a little too hopeful for how I wanted that sentence to end.
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Nothing but love for IPL. You guys are amazing; from the timely updates like this to the extra content, i think you've really stepped the game up.
I think the satellite trucks might be your next step though!
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IPL is amazing, best of luck in getting things back in order.
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WOW, 6 pages and still no bitches. IPL you know how well you did this time, <3 you guys.
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Too bad something like this happened.. the production value is awesome and the games we did see were great so far! ♥
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Can somebody explain to me what the OP means with whitelisting IPs or whatever? Somebody else said something about blacklisting too. I can't find any topic explaining it and to me it doesn't make any sense why Blizzard would have to do anything so you could use SC2 with a certain IP.
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thanks for the news michael cera :>
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Thanks for letting us all know, but really, it's not your fault lol.
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Yeah, really really amazed how awesome this tournament has been, from a streamer perspective so far - Day 1 was _sick_ compared to Dreamhack, MLG and NASL, apart from a few hiccups at the start.
The flow of the games, 10 minutes after 1 series ends, next series is ready to be streamed. The 10 minutes in between is filled with watchable content, the IPL top-10's which are fun to me, because I havent had too much chance of following this seasons broadcasts. No other tournament has this, not even close. MLG is still 30 minutes in between games and seem inefficient, even with more streams, there is always downtime.
I cannot say that I expected this at all - I must admit, that after the NASL-offline event for season 1, which was also their first event, I was kinda expecting alot of screwups.. Day 1 put that to shame, you guys have clearly done your homework on running an event.
The internet outage today sucks though, I felt abit sorry for you because everything else seems so good.. That internet man.. I don't know if satelite trucks would have been able to make a difference, as that would only allow you to get the stream out, and not actually connect to battle.net?
Anyways, I really hope you get it sorted for tomorrow
- One word of feedback: Be faster with these statements.. I think alot of people raged abit because their source for updates was DJwheat's twitter
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Thanks For the Update. You guys at IGN have done a great job of keeping the viewers informed on this unfortunate situation. It's nice to know that you haven't forgotten about us, and I know your doing everything in your power to give us the best tournament. Oh and the second stream out of the Bally place is running great.
Thanks
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Best of luck to you guys I've been totally amazed by Day 1.
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On October 08 2011 08:56 Paragleiber wrote:
Can somebody explain to me what the OP means with whitelisting IPs or whatever? Somebody else said something about blacklisting too. I can't find any topic explaining it and to me it doesn't make any sense why Blizzard would have to do anything so you could use SC2 with a certain IP.
Caesars IP was blacklisted by Blizzard, don't really know why though, so they had a little delay yesterday for the time Blizzard whitelist them
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Shit really happens, doesn't it
You guys have got a black cloud following you it seems
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Thanks for the update ... things happen at times that are out of our control .... keep up the great work
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Drunk drivers are killing esports.
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Keep up the good work IPL is in my opinion the tourney with the best overall production value AND games! I really really DO hope that a huge crowed comes to Caesers!
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IPL!
Been following since day 1 season 1
And i know you guys try ur best! Say Sorry one or two times more and every nerd will forgive you.
Especially if u find a way to give us more of those amazing games
Cheer up... only a up-hill battle from here!
Cheers from Germany!
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On October 08 2011 08:56 Paragleiber wrote:
Can somebody explain to me what the OP means with whitelisting IPs or whatever? Somebody else said something about blacklisting too. I can't find any topic explaining it and to me it doesn't make any sense why Blizzard would have to do anything so you could use SC2 with a certain IP.
Blizzard blacklists (aka blocks) any IP that fires off too many connections to battle.net. It's a way to prevent DDOS and other nonsense to the network. One unfortunate side-effect of this protection is that this often catches LAN tournaments that plays StarCraft 2 and other games on Bnet.
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You know the production value and the matches have been so good that even the apology for circumstance beyond your control is above and beyond!
Love the POV player screens and all the extra content on the other streams.
Great casters and even the downtime this morning was great with getting to watch the girls show us the setup and also the BW matches.
Just an awesome event and I only wish it was on the west coast so I could have attended in person!
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On October 08 2011 08:56 Paragleiber wrote:
Can somebody explain to me what the OP means with whitelisting IPs or whatever? Somebody else said something about blacklisting too. I can't find any topic explaining it and to me it doesn't make any sense why Blizzard would have to do anything so you could use SC2 with a certain IP.
I believe there is a limit on connections to battlenet from a single ip. We ran into some problems when we had a TL meet up in Orlando a year ago because of this. We had to get behind proxies to be able to have our tourney.
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On October 08 2011 09:01 Flaccid wrote:
Drunk drivers are killing esports.
Murphy's law is killing esports!
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I do feel bad for you guys, with all the effort you put in you didn't deserve something like this. I still had quite fun watching, better luck tomorrow I guess.
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Thanks for the update.
Despite everything u guys are doing a great job keeping us entertained, Lani and Megumixbear are doing great filling up time.
Yesterday was a awsome day of starcraft, im looking forward for the rest of the matches, and like was said before ppl with half a brain will understand is not your fault and be patient.
Keep doing what ur doing its been a great event so far.
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Yeah, keep up the good work guys! I have to admit i loved the BW Boxer vs Huk match even more than the ones of my favorite players. The content on stream 5 and 6 was just plain fun to watch. Really couldnt imagine that i would enjoy 2 hours watching backstage action so much at a big SC2 event and crowning it with the Emperor himself. Theres nothing left to be asked for imho ! 
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I'll echo what so many have said: I've enjoyed your event in spite of the problems. And yes, they are largely out of your control. Thanks for explaining what's been going down.
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I hope the guy who hit the pole is ok..
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Whoever hit that pole...IS RUINING ESPORTS!
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Hey, these things happen. But the production value is awesome, the casters are great, the players and the games are fantastic. Technology always has problems, we'll wait. It's a huge event for SC2 and eSports in general. And I got to sit and watch it all, while at work, while being paid. Hahahahaha.
THANK YOU IPL!!
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On October 08 2011 09:19 OhMyGawd wrote:
Whoever hit that pole...IS RUINING ESPORTS!
literally
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On October 08 2011 09:18 preon wrote:
I hope the guy who hit the pole is ok..
Hmm.. Not sure if serious
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i think many are us are extremely unhappy about the "randomized group C" arrangement.
How is that fair to the players? Also, many of us were looking forward to certain matches too. Sigh.
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Hope Comcast can fix everything soon. This has been a fantastic event so far, outage notwithstanding.
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high speed internet just came back up so hopefully things will get going now :D
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On October 08 2011 07:20 PhiliBiRD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 07:19 Defacer wrote:
Arrrgh. What a random act of god, that sucks Alex. glgl. whats god have to do with someone hitting a pole? anyways thats unfortunate, hopefully comcast gets it repaired quickly
it is an expression, I don't think he is really trying to bring religion into this.
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You did the best job in that situation (the bw matches were awesome) and it was an incident you can't plan with.
I personally can't wait for the next days because the production value was just astounding the first day.
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Was sundance hurt in the accident?
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its not your guy's fault that some idiot hit the poles. goodjob getting everything fixed asap.
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By the way only complaints : Get some more mods that actually ban trolls and spammer in the chat .. I know if I want I can not look at it, but it is just ridiculous :/
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It is still the best tournament as quality for me don't think it is your fault keep up the good work
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It serves them well to use /ban instead of 10-min timeouts constantly.
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That sucks really :[[[[, you guys must be really pissed first the blacklist things than the *a truck hit our fucking internet connection* thing. Non the less you are doing a great job from what ive seen/read about your crisis management and ofcourse your content when it runs is AWESOME. I hope the next days will work more smooth.
Good luck and have fun with the rest of the tournament and i hope you got enough bad luck for the rest of the tournaent.
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main stream is back...Group D is playing. Group C results randomized.
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On October 08 2011 07:14 Alex.IGN wrote:
Hey all,
Real quick I just wanted to let everyone know what is going on right now and what went down with IPL 3 today.
We got back to work a few hours before the start of broadcast, tested everything and were all set to go. A few seconds before our countdown timer ended, with everyone ready to go, we all lost connection to the internet. After a couple hours of trying different solutions and being on the phone with a lot of different people, we learned that a vehicle had hit a pole a few miles away and cut the Comcast fiber line. We were able to rig up a setup that involved an old non-fiber line and a backup satellite to get the streams and internet back up again. Special thanks to Blizzard for being able to quickly whitelist our new IPs. After a few hours, the latency kept steadily increasing to the point of unplayability. To keep the integrity of the tournament I had to make the call to shut down the event until Comcast kicks back in. We hope to be back up and running shortly, but all I have is a vague estimated time. We apologize to the community for these issues and thank everyone for your patience and understanding. As you might expect, the schedule for the next two days is subject to change but we do hope to provide everyone with some great content.
Thank you.
how come when these things happens to "first time event holders" it always comes off sounding like an excuse along the lines of "my dog ate my homework" ?
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You have done an absolutely fantastic job of dealing with this situation IGN! Making those extra streams available in the mean time has been awesome.
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amazing job guys keep it up!
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On October 08 2011 10:05 FluXen wrote:
amazing job guys keep it up!
Absolutely! Even if this event is not the best SC2 event yet, IGN has definitely shown the potential to host it in the future. Despite all the problems this is awesome!
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Can someone tell me what is going to happen to group c, I have been waiting for 10 hours now and I really want to see hero play.. T_T
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IPL3 has the best production quality of all tournaments tbh
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On October 08 2011 09:58 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 07:14 Alex.IGN wrote:
Hey all,
Real quick I just wanted to let everyone know what is going on right now and what went down with IPL 3 today.
We got back to work a few hours before the start of broadcast, tested everything and were all set to go. A few seconds before our countdown timer ended, with everyone ready to go, we all lost connection to the internet. After a couple hours of trying different solutions and being on the phone with a lot of different people, we learned that a vehicle had hit a pole a few miles away and cut the Comcast fiber line. We were able to rig up a setup that involved an old non-fiber line and a backup satellite to get the streams and internet back up again. Special thanks to Blizzard for being able to quickly whitelist our new IPs. After a few hours, the latency kept steadily increasing to the point of unplayability. To keep the integrity of the tournament I had to make the call to shut down the event until Comcast kicks back in. We hope to be back up and running shortly, but all I have is a vague estimated time. We apologize to the community for these issues and thank everyone for your patience and understanding. As you might expect, the schedule for the next two days is subject to change but we do hope to provide everyone with some great content.
Thank you. how come when these things happens to "first time event holders" it always comes off sounding like an excuse along the lines of "my dog ate my homework" ?
Can't tell if serious do you just enjoy being a dumb troll?
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Bad luck guys...
![[image loading]](http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5412/lowbitesporttruck.jpg)
I wish there was some way to help you guys other than watch and subscribe... Thanks to all for keeping it professional, megumixbear doing a great job as roving reporter, casters doing well, keep working hard behind the scenes guys!
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IGN is making this look so professional. Sometimes the stars are aligned against you, but great job handling it. Not much you can do to prevent something so bizarre.
Good work guys, production values, casting is all top notch. Shaping up to be an amazing tournament.
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All the back-stage content has been very entertaining, your production crew have really casted a nice distraction from all the connection problems. Keep working hard IGN, shit happens, especially with the internet.
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On October 08 2011 08:37 PhoenixToruk wrote:LAN or no LAN, Dustin Browder has been trying to prevent accidents like this for some time. Perhaps this is the catalyst that will finally make people understand his obsession with destructible rocks. Thanks for the continued updates!
Bwahahaha, destructible rocks around every pole in America! <333
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On October 08 2011 09:58 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 07:14 Alex.IGN wrote:
Hey all,
Real quick I just wanted to let everyone know what is going on right now and what went down with IPL 3 today.
We got back to work a few hours before the start of broadcast, tested everything and were all set to go. A few seconds before our countdown timer ended, with everyone ready to go, we all lost connection to the internet. After a couple hours of trying different solutions and being on the phone with a lot of different people, we learned that a vehicle had hit a pole a few miles away and cut the Comcast fiber line. We were able to rig up a setup that involved an old non-fiber line and a backup satellite to get the streams and internet back up again. Special thanks to Blizzard for being able to quickly whitelist our new IPs. After a few hours, the latency kept steadily increasing to the point of unplayability. To keep the integrity of the tournament I had to make the call to shut down the event until Comcast kicks back in. We hope to be back up and running shortly, but all I have is a vague estimated time. We apologize to the community for these issues and thank everyone for your patience and understanding. As you might expect, the schedule for the next two days is subject to change but we do hope to provide everyone with some great content.
Thank you. how come when these things happens to "first time event holders" it always comes off sounding like an excuse along the lines of "my dog ate my homework" ?
Are you friggin' kidding?
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We need less lag on the roaming stream, and we need more simultaneous casting.
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sucks, but you guys have been extremely professional.
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What happened to IdrA? Any further explanation as to what "fatigue" hit him?
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Confirmation that players are literally flipping coins for bracket placement?
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On October 08 2011 13:11 mbr2321 wrote:
What happened to IdrA? Any further explanation as to what "fatigue" hit him?
Jetlagged probably.
I mean, you can speculate that he just decided 'if I lost this, I won't win, so I'll save my energy for the real tournament' or whatever, but according to the casters, he was just really tired and slept on his keyboard before the match, so probably just jetlagged.
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Too bad about the mess up. IPL's stream yesterday was among the best produced SC2 coverage EVER. Almost better than Dreamhack, and that's saying a lot. Hope it will be resolved soon. But perhaps in the future consider satellite trucks, like MLG used in the past (like, WTF @ US internet?)
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Hope everything turns out well tomorrow. The bit of the stream I did catch looked really good.
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This makes me happy, it's unfortunate that this had to happen tho.
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This is some really bad luck....you can call it a lack of foresight but seriously, a truck hitting a pole cutting off cables? Who would have predicted that...still, we're lucky IPL manage to salvage something out of it, hats off to them really
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Oh well **** happens the important thig is that IPL managed to pull through.Congrats and thanks for the excellent coverage
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I was highly entertained by The Beast Crew during the down time so consider giving them a bonus! Thanks for a great day IPL...must sleep now -_-
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just release Vods and replays and I will forgive you.
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IPL sickest event yo. Great job guys.
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Hate when tournaments are delayed but really not IPLs fault so it's ok
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Thanks for taking the time to let us, your fans, know EXACTLY what is going on in a timely fashion and with this much detail. It is greatly appreciated when organizations such as yours do this.
Keep up the amazing work guys!
Gl and Hf!
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Man i feel for you. I'm sure there's been a lot of hatred in the past hours, and it makes you so angry when there's simply nothing you can do against it.
No Lan support, Bli$$ard, eh?
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I enjoyed today though with Lani ^^
If was really cool to see everything like that.
If you could do like the same next time? It would be awesome as it felt like I had a free backstage pass to everything.
Was WICKED awesome for everyone to get something done out of it.
Thank you for providing content today as best you could.
I do wish we could have had matches but honestly? I would love to see something like what you guys did to fill time while the issue was fixed, in the other tournaments as well!!
It was great. Thank you for the effort <3.
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IPL listened to the community feedback regarding the "meaningless" pool play, managed to communicate and (as promptly as possible) fix the issues at the live event, all the while putting on one of the most fantastic streams I have ever seen.
Keep up the good work guys. I hope no more bad luck falls your way. We all still support you heavily no matter what technical issues arise.
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Anyone else struck by the difference between this IPL event and Season 1 of NASL? The former is proving itself to be so much more professional than the latter.
Response to viewer feedback - check
Updating audience on problems - check
Keeping Players happy - check
Production quality - check
Not being a general all round douche about everything - mega big check!
I love you IPL. I hope Season 2 for NASL is better but to be honest, haven't been watching their streams with the lack of top Korean pros to keep it interesting.
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Shit happens =/ It's ok though, not IPL's fault at all, and thanks very much for the thorough updates
And for playing Brood War
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After a couple hours of trying different solutions and being on the phone with a lot of different people, we learned that a vehicle had hit a pole a few miles away and cut the Comcast fiber line.
Well, the driver of that vehicle finally succeeded where so many before him failed: He definitely managed to hurt ESPORTS (and probably himself).
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On October 08 2011 14:03 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +After a couple hours of trying different solutions and being on the phone with a lot of different people, we learned that a vehicle had hit a pole a few miles away and cut the Comcast fiber line. Well, the driver of that vehicle finally succeeded where so many before him failed: He definitely managed to hurt ESPORTS (and probably himself).
this cracked me up for some reason.
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On October 08 2011 14:00 openbox1 wrote:
Anyone else struck by the difference between this IPL event and Season 1 of NASL? The former is proving itself to be so much more professional than the latter.
Response to viewer feedback - check
Updating audience on problems - check
Keeping Players happy - check
Production quality - check
Not being a general all round douche about everything - mega big check!
I love you IPL. I hope Season 2 for NASL is better but to be honest, haven't been watching their streams with the lack of top Korean pros to keep it interesting.
Shitload more capital and available infrastructure from an already successful media empire? Check.
Comparing NASL to IGN is like comparing a TIME Warner side project to a one-year old start-up magazine. It's not going to be fair.
IGN is doing a great job, but frankly I hold them to different standards. Hope NASL is able to survive their growing pains.
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On October 08 2011 13:59 Zidane wrote:
Better than MLG imo.
And this is great news! Like JP said in SOTG, the guys at MLG want IPL to be better so that they have something to strive for. The more competition they have the better the events will be for the players, fans, etc. This can only be a great thing for eSports in general.
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On October 08 2011 07:20 PhiliBiRD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 07:19 Defacer wrote:
Arrrgh. What a random act of god, that sucks Alex. glgl. whats god have to do with someone hitting a pole? anyways thats unfortunate, hopefully comcast gets it repaired quickly
Figure of speech, bro.
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Sad to see this happen after being blacklisted yesterday. Seems that you are really taking the right steps but the SC2 gods aren't playing nicely.
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Very big props to the team at IPL. Keeping us updated on what is happening and keeping the players happy is important to them. Love the games so far and how you've handled it!
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You guys are handling this so professionally.. well done. tragic for such an event to ruin IPL though
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Don't blame the world for having truck drivers that smash into important network nodes. Internet is and forever will be unreliable and there is no one else to blame than Blizzard for not supporting LAN play. In my opinion this creates an intolerable liability for major LAN events.
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On October 08 2011 14:37 DeCoder wrote:
Don't blame the world for having truck drivers that smash into important network nodes. Internet is and forever will be unreliable and there is no one else to blame than Blizzard for not supporting LAN play. In my opinion this creates an intolerable liability for major LAN events.
Even if there were lan, there'd be no way to stream the games except for a camera in the audience looking at the screen and broadcasting over 3G. True, the tournament could have continued, but eh. Internet is internet.
I'm waiting for a power outage to hit one of these lans. That would truly shut things down.
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No offense, as much as bad as this sounds, welcome to New Jersey, no less Atlantic City. Board walk isn't the only place around the neighborhood: after you leave the boardwalk, welcome to the ghettos. Pray you don't get targeted by hoodlums.
It's sad, but honestly as a NJ resident, "it is what it is."
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its ok and thats the right choice to do, i rather the players have fair and good time playing rather than just having us watch the lower quality games (due to lag) and be able to watch the matches
hopefully not too many people are too disappointed about this, like planning to have stayed up late or etc.
Also, i wonder if the guy who drove the truck was an esports hater... xD
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I wonder if that person who hit the pole knows what he did, lol!
Also, what about the people going to the IPL? Will they have to return home since they didn't lodge past the original times?
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You should be glad you only lost internet. Charlie, Dennis, and Dee saw two homeless men loving it strong. What I'm saying is, worse things have happened in AC.
What I saw of the tournament was great, bought prime to support.
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Thank you for the update, and managing in such chaos, way to keep your cool and just get through it.
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Sabotage!
Now the only question remaining is "who?"
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On October 08 2011 15:10 Xyxyll wrote:
Sabotage!
Now the only question remaining is "who?"
Some local hoodlums being drunk or high. Typical NJ slum shenanigans.
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You guys did a great job at keeping people informed, even went out of your way to send Lani to the "crime scene". I was really impressed by that.
Other than that I think the weakest link as far as production was the sound.
The volume was always too damn low or the game sounds too quiet compared to the casters while the booth microphones kept us VERY well informed of the players apm (and by that i mean they were really fucking loud).
But the biggest gripe was that the audio balance for channel 1 was shifted to the left for 2 days until it got fixed during the last matches of day 2. It was really annoying constantly having to adjust the windows controls for individual speakers when swaping streams. It might not be as notable with speakers but it was badddd with headphones.
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Of all I have seen of this tournament (and do not hold this comparable to DreamHack - I remember the times where they had serious problem with their Quake-Live servers and the whole tournament was delayed of that - same as with with Battle.net 2.0), the content of the streams, even the 'down-time' covered with some mobile phone connections, was way over my expectations. You got such an amazing crew working for it. Still the best tournament so far. Alll others come cheap.
Keep it up, please!
You set new standards.
(And don't listen to some #DreamHack banter, you are way better)
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Thanks for keeping the community informed. I feel IPL is improving and will grow to be an even better organizer of tournaments in the future.
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On October 08 2011 07:48 forumtext wrote:
"We don't currently plan to support LAN play with StarCraft II, as we are building Battle.net to be the ideal destination for multiplayer gaming with StarCraft II and future Blizzard Entertainment games. While this was a difficult decision for us, we felt that moving away from LAN play and directing players to our upgraded Battle.net service was the best option to ensure that every game of SC2 in the world is played only with our permission."
-Blizzard
Fixed.
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These internet problems are ridiculous. We seriously need to get LAN support. The worst part is: we can't really boycott blizzard either since that would kill all the effort put SC2 into a more mainstream competition.
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Damn that driver, damn him to hell D:
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Thanks for keeping us informed during the down time.
Off topic: This and MLG have nothing to do with bad luck. When you have important infrastructure hanging from poles you are just asking for problems. Put it in the ground where traffic and weather cannot reach it, then you will not have nearly as much problems. And it looks much prettier too.
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That's brutally unlucky... I can't wait for the rest of the event to unfold this weekend, thanks for keeping in touch
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On October 08 2011 07:33 [wh]_ForAlways wrote:
Maybe I'm just being bitter, but I don't really feel like you should be thanking Blizzard because this would have been a non issue if there was LAN play. Almost every single tournament is plagued with connection issues and its really disappointing for both the live audience and the people streaming from home.
On October 08 2011 08:22 Gigaudas wrote:
What the fuck, you are thanking Blizzard? The guys who took an extremely important feature out of the game and fucked you over?
Every tournament organiser makes sure to thank "our good friends" Blizzard because they are afraid that they might end up in a similar situation to the one in Korea (where Blizzard arranged a Gretech monopoly). Although the reality is that Activision really want to make money out of ESPORTS in the future, so I doubt it they would go that far.
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The real meat of the tournament is still to unfold! Not too big of a loss if some group play had to be missed or skipped. If the weekend goes smooth it will be A-OK.
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Don't want to sound like a Blizzard snob or anything but none of this would ever have happened if LAN was implemented.
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Wow, that sucks hard. Well i hope tomorrow will be way better, then today . Atleast you told the community what happened and not keep them in the dark, so thanks.
Cant wait for tomorrow.
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Very very unlucky turn of events, i think you guys have done a great job so far and i wish IPL all the best in the future
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Eh.... although I agree with the whole LAN thing, there's not much we can do about it. Therefore, let's just wish IPL GL with everything and hope everything gets back on track again
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Couldnt you play on custom LAN games between the players and film and record the commentaries, interviews etc and restream it later?
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Trucks are killing e-sports. I hope IPL will overcome this accident and the fans too.
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On October 08 2011 17:06 parkin wrote:
Couldnt you play on custom LAN games between the players and film and record the commentaries, interviews etc and restream it later?
There's no LAN in Starcraft 2
Are you kidding me
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I`m feeling sad for you IGN guys. This Event should have had no troubles to advertise starcraft to a wider audience, but shit got messed up. Stay strong and make the best out of it.
peace.
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what i've seen has been excellent so far and obviously ill keep being an ipl fan the extra content thats been available during the downtime has shown how much extra effort you guys put in behind all those games and i for one do appreciate it, keep up the great work
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Despite the internet problems you guys have done a great job, keep it up, cant wait for championship sunday
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Terrible fraud drivers are ruining ESPORTS.
If only ESPORTS had a dedicated contract killer...
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On October 08 2011 17:48 Hall0wed wrote:
Terrible fraud drivers are ruining ESPORTS.
If only ESPORTS had a dedicated contract killer...
nope, Blizzard is.
I would say "well maybe blizzard will learn because of this", but after everything that happened in the last year I lost my hope that Blizzard will finally do something about the extremely needed LAN...
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On October 08 2011 15:46 Glockateer wrote:
These internet problems are ridiculous. We seriously need to get LAN support. The worst part is: we can't really boycott blizzard either since that would kill all the effort put SC2 into a more mainstream competition.
Well i see the point for LAN but the event would still be shut down by no internet...you see the are streaming it LIVE and that's the whole point of it?
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On October 08 2011 17:06 parkin wrote:
Couldnt you play on custom LAN games between the players and film and record the commentaries, interviews etc and restream it later?
Half of the enjoyment is that these events are live.
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I don't blame you guys at IPL for this - there is literally nothing you could have feasibly done to prevent this. It was just a freak accident.
Yes, Blizzard should have LAN support for live tourneys, but the games still couldn't be streamed so it doesn't make a great deal of difference - people wouldn't want to watch recorded games as much anyway.
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On October 08 2011 18:25 nvrs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 15:46 Glockateer wrote:
These internet problems are ridiculous. We seriously need to get LAN support. The worst part is: we can't really boycott blizzard either since that would kill all the effort put SC2 into a more mainstream competition. Well i see the point for LAN but the event would still be shut down by no internet...you see the are streaming it LIVE and that's the whole point of it?
But at least the games would of been played, it must be incredibly fustrating for the players who have travelled all the way from different parts of the world (I heard Idra forfeited his games becuase he was incredibly tired coming back from china). only to be sitting around the casino not knowing if they are going to be playing or not.
If they did have lan they could of played the games and been seeded without issue (Not sure if the open bracket was affected it seems to have been played out) IPL have done the best they possibly could and so did comcast by the looks of things so they are not to blame. Blizzard have really screwed this tournament over first with the IP black listing and then by having no lan, I'd like to hope they would learn from this but of course they won't.
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On October 08 2011 07:19 Defacer wrote:
Arrrgh. What a random act of god, that sucks Alex. glgl.
Riiight...
Very unfortunate, but when the show is on, it looks like the most professional/most awesome to watch sc2 tourney so far. Loving it :D
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On October 08 2011 18:35 Pri1230 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 18:25 nvrs wrote:On October 08 2011 15:46 Glockateer wrote:
These internet problems are ridiculous. We seriously need to get LAN support. The worst part is: we can't really boycott blizzard either since that would kill all the effort put SC2 into a more mainstream competition. Well i see the point for LAN but the event would still be shut down by no internet...you see the are streaming it LIVE and that's the whole point of it? But at least the games would of been played, it must be incredibly fustrating for the players who have travelled all the way from different parts of the world (I heard Idra forfeited his games becuase he was incredibly tired coming back from china). only to be sitting around the casino not knowing if they are going to be playing or not. If they did have lan they could of played the games and been seeded without issue (Not sure if the open bracket was affected it seems to have been played out) IPL have done the best they possibly could and so did comcast by the looks of things so they are not to blame. Blizzard have really screwed this tournament over first with the IP black listing and then by having no lan, I'd like to hope they would learn from this but of course they won't.
the games could have been streamed, just in poor quality.
they did provide the viewers with some footage while the internet was down.
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Been really enjoying the IPL3 from Australia, alot of extra materials which I really like!
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I know a shit lot of more immature people will complain a shit lot (similiar to what happened at mlg dallas), but this is not your fault. Shit happens, and I got to watch boxer play some bw again thanks to those issues. Thanks for giving this statement, I'm sure the rest of your event will run smoothly, and thus far I'm really impressed with the production quality and the players involved. IPL fighting!
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On October 08 2011 18:41 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 18:35 Pri1230 wrote:On October 08 2011 18:25 nvrs wrote:On October 08 2011 15:46 Glockateer wrote:
These internet problems are ridiculous. We seriously need to get LAN support. The worst part is: we can't really boycott blizzard either since that would kill all the effort put SC2 into a more mainstream competition. Well i see the point for LAN but the event would still be shut down by no internet...you see the are streaming it LIVE and that's the whole point of it? But at least the games would of been played, it must be incredibly fustrating for the players who have travelled all the way from different parts of the world (I heard Idra forfeited his games becuase he was incredibly tired coming back from china). only to be sitting around the casino not knowing if they are going to be playing or not. If they did have lan they could of played the games and been seeded without issue (Not sure if the open bracket was affected it seems to have been played out) IPL have done the best they possibly could and so did comcast by the looks of things so they are not to blame. Blizzard have really screwed this tournament over first with the IP black listing and then by having no lan, I'd like to hope they would learn from this but of course they won't. the games could have been streamed, just in poor quality. they did provide the viewers with some footage while the internet was down.
To be honest I was actually more interested in watching the backstage stuff as I wasn't too interest in pool play anyway and i'm glad and very greatul to ign for providing those backstage streams. They had the pool play for extra content and most players were not going to show there shining builds or strategies.
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On October 08 2011 18:30 SeaSwift wrote:
Yes, Blizzard should have LAN support for live tourneys, but the games still couldn't be streamed so it doesn't make a great deal of difference - people wouldn't want to watch recorded games as much anyway.
I don't see how so many people keep saying this while missing a very obvious fact. Streams can be done over bad wireless (satellite, 3G, 4G, whatever) backup lines that have high latency, the games themselves cannot be played with high latency. If Blizzard gave tournaments LAN play like they promised A YEAR AGO (not for everyone, just for the pro LAN's) then the LAN's would be able to play with low latency and stream over their high latency backup connections when circumstances like this happen. And if for some reason the backup lines couldn't handle streaming either then they could still play the games on LAN and physically take the replays to a nearby location with a connection that could handle streaming or send them to offsite backup casters.
IPL3 has had two cases of terribly bad luck that both could have been avoided if Blizzard gave them LAN play. The first one with Blizzard blacklisting them was terribly stupid of Blizzard and was baffling how long it took Blizzard to fix it. Keep on trucking IGN and please lay it into Blizzard hard about this bullshit that they've caused.
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Can't predict everything I guess. Did you catch the driver?
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On October 08 2011 18:25 nvrs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 15:46 Glockateer wrote:
These internet problems are ridiculous. We seriously need to get LAN support. The worst part is: we can't really boycott blizzard either since that would kill all the effort put SC2 into a more mainstream competition. Well i see the point for LAN but the event would still be shut down by no internet...you see the are streaming it LIVE and that's the whole point of it?
I'm okay with your argument, that lan support hadn't saved that day of the event.
But isn't there although a problem with heavy lags due to gaming. Meeting at a Lan, then both players connecting to bnet with observer might cause more problems then just lan+stream. Or am i wrong?
EDIT: phuzi0n answered my question while i was writing my post
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I blame blizz, not you guys.
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With LAN they could've had cameras filming the screens at the event as a backup if something like this happened, kinda like how we were watching sc:bw being played at the event as this was happening. Blizzard won't budge though, it's not like they actually care what people think about them as long as they get that money.
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Thanks for the great production and show up til unforseeable circumstances.
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On October 08 2011 07:34 RoyGBiv_13 wrote:hurricanes at MLG's, rampaging pole smashing trucks at IPL What's next? Lizard people at GSL? EDIT: Thanks for the update
God hates nerds.
The great one wants us all out on the streets playing basketball ^^
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with lan, you couldn't watch it when the internet is down and would get replays. ~ bad for sponsors overall. (not sure if delaying or playing it out with no viewers is better, probably delaying is the win in every aspect if you don't lose the players that is, as they have shedules too). And with lan + the lan could strike . So only internet is better for those events. Atleast for everyone except of the players heh.
On a side not, might we get the number of the car that cut the internet ?
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On October 08 2011 19:01 MHT wrote:
I blame blizz, not you guys.
You are smart then.
You can't stream the games without internet. Unless you would rather watch replays and recordings....think again.
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Really appreciate the update, you guys are fantastic!
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On October 08 2011 19:04 Gotmog wrote:You are smart then. You can't stream the games without internet. Unless you would rather watch replays and recordings....think again.
They had backup lines that they used to stream, the problem was that there was high latency on the backup line so they had to limit the number of players that were playing. That could have been fixed by having LAN play!
Even if they only had LAN and absolutely no internet in the entire state then it would still be better to play the games on LAN and broadcast replays later than to have all those people pay to fly out to the LAN and not play at all.
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On October 08 2011 19:03 Gotmog wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 07:34 RoyGBiv_13 wrote:hurricanes at MLG's, rampaging pole smashing trucks at IPL What's next? Lizard people at GSL? EDIT: Thanks for the update God hates nerds. The great one wants us all out on the streets playing basketball ^^
I heavily doubt lizard people would even dare attacking a building with the possibility of finding MC or Nada inside of it...
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Oh well, considering the insane degree of bad luck IPL has had, I'd say the backup content turned out perfectly. It was a good crisis management,
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I find it very strange to thank Blizzard for failing horribly with not adding lan. Even though we've been telling them since day 1 in the beta. Embarrassing to say the least.
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On October 08 2011 18:30 SeaSwift wrote:
I don't blame you guys at IPL for this - there is literally nothing you could have feasibly done to prevent this. It was just a freak accident.
Yes, Blizzard should have LAN support for live tourneys, but the games still couldn't be streamed so it doesn't make a great deal of difference - people wouldn't want to watch recorded games as much anyway.
They had satellite trucks for that. the lag was just too big to play on, but the stream was fine.
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if you really really really have to blame someone, then blame the guy that was driving that truck.
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you could say that truck was the anti-vehicle of ESPORTS
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Really sad accident. You guys handled it great with continuous updates and the entertaining Lani. I'm from EU, so I had to call it a night after the first couple of games, but I was able to watch all the VODs this morning, which is great. Wouldn't have wanted to miss MMA vs White-ra!
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I hope internet will go down again so I could watch more BW.
Woops. Wrong thread, thought this one was for Day 3. Sorry.
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On October 08 2011 19:51 ITSAmeee wrote:
if you really really really have to blame someone, then blame the guy that was driving that truck.
That is asinine to blame someone for an accident without even knowing the reason for the accident. If they're just a bad driver then they deserve some blame for being a bad driver but none for screwing up the tournament. If they had a heart attack or were trying to avoid a bigger accident like running over a pedestrian that ran in front of them then they don't deserve any blame for the accident either.
Professional tournaments need LAN play instead of being forced to rely on having a fast low latency connection without being blacklisted by Blizzard. Tournament planners can get backup high latency wireless connections that work fine for streaming but they can't always get backup low latency wired lines to venues that are needed to play on BNET. Blizzard needs to give Pro's LAN play like they promised a year ago and in the meantime they need to figure out their shit so that they don't blacklist major tournaments.
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I don't know if its been said already but isn't this the exact reason why the community demanded LAN or at the very least a tournament edition that provided LAN for high profile LAN's like MLG or IPL?
As far as the internet outage shit happens, not your fault externalities at their finest right there
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There can be no "tournament edition" lan. Playing with lan latency is different from playing with battle.net latency, so you would have to provide pro players with the same tournament setup to practice on, which means providing everyone with lan.
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On October 08 2011 21:21 dementrio wrote:
There can be no "tournament edition" lan. Playing with lan latency is different from playing with battle.net latency, so you would have to provide pro players with the same tournament setup to practice on, which means providing everyone with lan.
Wrong, a LAN client or LAN server just for pro's could artificially add latency, say 100ms, to simulate the latency they have on BNET. Granted it would be nice if they gave everyone LAN...
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On October 08 2011 20:19 phuzi0n wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 19:51 ITSAmeee wrote:
if you really really really have to blame someone, then blame the guy that was driving that truck. That is asinine to blame someone for an accident without even knowing the reason for the accident. If they're just a bad driver then they deserve some blame for being a bad driver but none for screwing up the tournament. If they had a heart attack or were trying to avoid a bigger accident like running over a pedestrian that ran in front of them then they don't deserve any blame for the accident either. Professional tournaments need LAN play instead of being forced to rely on having a fast low latency connection without being blacklisted by Blizzard. Tournament planners can get backup high latency wireless connections that work fine for streaming but they can't always get backup low latency wired lines to venues that are needed to play on BNET. Blizzard needs to give Pro's LAN play like they promised a year ago and in the meantime they need to figure out their shit so that they don't blacklist major tournaments.
That would be stupid indeed. Then again english is not my mother tongue and my cinism/sarcasm probably didn't come out that well with that sentence of mine.
People were/are blaming Comcast, Blizzard and even IPL at some point (yesterday) when clearly this was something out of everyones control. I wanted to point out the truck driver as the original cause of all the issue IPL3 had yesterday, at the same time hoping for people to think about it and to realize how stupid it would be do that. I'm glad you did
I wont go into the LAN discussion, since I think this is not the thread for it. Although I don't remember Blizzard promising LAN support, ever. If you have a link that would be great.
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incompetent US truck drivers are killing e-sports!
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On October 08 2011 07:19 Defacer wrote:
Arrrgh. What a random act of god, that sucks Alex. glgl.
That was one of sundance's minions.. not god hehe
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Blizzard needs to get the shit out of their eyes and see the insanity in that these tournaments doesnt' have a LAN option.
Pure genious move from IPL to play Broodwar to highlight the obvious fact.
IPL has done the best crisis management from any tournament yet.
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i dont know about you guys but i saw some awesome matches yesterday and count not be happier with IPL, keep up the good work guys.
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We got to see Huk fail at playing BroodWar like SCII. :D
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I wasnt able to watch at this time anyways but i think thats pretty insane! thanks for the update!!!
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On October 08 2011 22:43 Vinx wrote:
i dont know about you guys but i saw some awesome matches yesterday and count not be happier with IPL, keep up the good work guys.
I can't complain either.
Actually I'm impressed by IGN, they handled everything really well considering the circumstances and showed great skill in crisis management.
Without the problems it would be the best SC2 tournament by far!
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On October 08 2011 22:40 Ghad wrote:
Blizzard needs to get the shit out of their eyes and see the insanity in that these tournaments doesnt' have a LAN option.
I'm all for a LAN mode in SC2 but I seriously don't understand people that think it would have changed anything yesterday.
Yes they could have played out the group play but still group play doesn't really matter (apart from getting money for placing 1st and 2nd) and with no internet they couldn't have streamed anything anyway.
From the spectators perspective there wouldn't have been any gain in having a LAN mode.
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On October 08 2011 22:54 mitthrawn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 22:40 Ghad wrote:
Blizzard needs to get the shit out of their eyes and see the insanity in that these tournaments doesnt' have a LAN option. I'm all for a LAN mode in SC2 but I seriously don't understand people that think it would have changed anything yesterday. Yes they could have played out the group play but still group play doesn't really matter (apart from getting money for placing 1st and 2nd) and with no internet they couldn't have streamed anything anyway. From the spectators perspective there wouldn't have been any gain in having a LAN mode.
Again. They had internet. It was fine to stream. It was terrible to try and play on. LAN mode allows them to play games in playable conditions and carry the stream.
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On October 08 2011 22:54 mitthrawn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 22:40 Ghad wrote:
Blizzard needs to get the shit out of their eyes and see the insanity in that these tournaments doesnt' have a LAN option. I'm all for a LAN mode in SC2 but I seriously don't understand people that think it would have changed anything yesterday. Yes they could have played out the group play but still group play doesn't really matter (apart from getting money for placing 1st and 2nd) and with no internet they couldn't have streamed anything anyway. From the spectators perspective there wouldn't have been any gain in having a LAN mode.
as stated before: they could have streamed, but for playing it was too laggy. so therefore with lan everything would have been fine
and even _if_ the internet went down as a whole. they could have played the games and broadcasted the matches today before the first games
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On October 08 2011 23:11 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 22:54 mitthrawn wrote:On October 08 2011 22:40 Ghad wrote:
Blizzard needs to get the shit out of their eyes and see the insanity in that these tournaments doesnt' have a LAN option. I'm all for a LAN mode in SC2 but I seriously don't understand people that think it would have changed anything yesterday. Yes they could have played out the group play but still group play doesn't really matter (apart from getting money for placing 1st and 2nd) and with no internet they couldn't have streamed anything anyway. From the spectators perspective there wouldn't have been any gain in having a LAN mode. Again. They had internet. It was fine to stream. It was terrible to try and play on. LAN mode allows them to play games in playable conditions and carry the stream.
They were running on 3G, hardly enough to stream "well".
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Thank you for the response, it is such a shame that these things happens, I just hope you will be able to get it fixed. You guys are doing a great job, and I have to say that when the stream runs properly, it is the best stream (yes better than MLG, GOMTV, DH etc).
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even if they couldnt stream, on a lan mode they could play and record the games, and just restream them later. as seen by the group 'fiasco' players coming in from 10 time zones cant sit around for 8 hours. they could of played their games then gone to bed. people on a more normal sleep shedule could and did stay up till the internet was fixed, but then there was still less games to see.
blizzard not selling a lan capable client to major tournament organisers is becoming more and more depressing and embarrassing. this really is hurting esports. theres no argument against it ;/
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On October 08 2011 23:21 turdburgler wrote:
blizzard not selling a lan capable client to major tournament organisers is becoming more and more depressing and embarrassing. this really is hurting esports. theres no argument against it ;/
The argument against it is that Blizzard wants control. Unfortunately this control is beginning to hinder e-sports. If e-sports was on TV you wouldn't expect people to understand that when a truck hits a utility pole it totally destroys the tournament because there no LAN option. I don't think any channel would ever pick up SC2 again until it had LAN support if that happened.
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On October 08 2011 23:26 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 23:21 turdburgler wrote:
blizzard not selling a lan capable client to major tournament organisers is becoming more and more depressing and embarrassing. this really is hurting esports. theres no argument against it ;/ The argument against it is that Blizzard wants control. Unfortunately this control is beginning to hinder e-sports. You can't put e-sports on TV and expect people to understand that when a truck hits a utility pole it totally destroys the tournament because there no LAN option.
they can keep control through broadcast contracts, they dont need the client to do that
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On October 08 2011 23:14 mitthrawn wrote:
They were running on 3G, hardly enough to stream "well".
Well, someone on reddit said they are using liveu.tv, which apparently can use several cellular uplinks simultaneously. So yeah, I think they can stream pretty well.
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On October 08 2011 23:26 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 23:21 turdburgler wrote:
blizzard not selling a lan capable client to major tournament organisers is becoming more and more depressing and embarrassing. this really is hurting esports. theres no argument against it ;/ The argument against it is that Blizzard wants control. Unfortunately this control is beginning to hinder e-sports. If e-sports was on TV you wouldn't expect people to understand that when a truck hits a utility pole it totally destroys the tournament because there no LAN option. I don't think any channel would ever pick up SC2 again until it had LAN support if that happened.
Can you link to a source where Blizzard says that? because it's a bs reason, LAN for tournaments doesn't change anything about the control Blizzard has over a tournament if they even want any.
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On October 08 2011 23:58 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 23:26 BronzeKnee wrote:On October 08 2011 23:21 turdburgler wrote:
blizzard not selling a lan capable client to major tournament organisers is becoming more and more depressing and embarrassing. this really is hurting esports. theres no argument against it ;/ The argument against it is that Blizzard wants control. Unfortunately this control is beginning to hinder e-sports. If e-sports was on TV you wouldn't expect people to understand that when a truck hits a utility pole it totally destroys the tournament because there no LAN option. I don't think any channel would ever pick up SC2 again until it had LAN support if that happened. Can you link to a source where Blizzard says that? because it's a bs reason, LAN for tournaments doesn't change anything about the control Blizzard has over a tournament if they even want any.
Not having LAN proves that all SC2 games are played over their client and network, hence they are in possession of all files (derivative works, if I remember the term correctly). This includes replays, and so on.
You can't stream league games in Korea without making use of their "intellectual property". They are going beyond broadcasting rights, because with LAN, you could try to argue that Blizzard has no hand in creating those products (broadcasted games).
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