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On October 07 2011 00:14 .vid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 10:51 `chain wrote:On October 06 2011 05:26 .vid wrote:
really not interested in seeing washed up ex-bw pros ( mediocre at best at the time of move) joining sc2 scene & teams. don't think these guys can add anything to the game in the terms of skill, only maybe some fake hype to let outsiders think sc2 is actually a big thing in korea :D The stupidity of some people baffles me sometime. iirc, none of the "top" sc2 pros have produced any results in BW that match fOrGG's. Get to A+ on ICCUP, win a MSL, and then I'll consider your opinion worthy of any of my time. User was warned for this post guess i put my words wrong, i apologise for that since my intention isn't to flame or start a flame with anyone. what i meant is, at today's level of play in brood war, neither boxer, nada, forgg or anyone else that moved is nothing more then an average bw player, some even worse then that, so i don't percieve forGG moving as a big thing, since it's obvious he can't accomplish anything in brood war anymore. I just see it as another guy starting sc2 to maybe accomplish something that he missed out on in brood war.on the other hand, if forGG keeps his work ethic he had in brood war, I am pretty confident that he can feature in some gsl finals, but i'd prefer if sc2 managed to make it's own superstars, guys who have no bw or wc3 history.
well, that's it from me on this topic.
check the bolded parts.
1.) you just see forgg as another guy that trying to accomplish something that he missed out on in broodwar? how about forgg winning MSL championship? also, he had an insane run beating people like Flash and Jaedong.
2.)do you realize that that oGsMC, IMMvp, IMNesTea all have bw history?
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On October 07 2011 01:20 Micket wrote:
All the best BW players are still in BW. Those that say MVP, Nestea, MC and forgg were great players at time of retirement are deluding themselves. There isn't much incentive for an A class or S class pro gamer to switch to SC2, they are earning plenty in sc1.
fOrGG definitely didn't retire to go play SC2. Nobody up and quits in the middle of the MSL if they merely intended to change games in 9 months time.
As such, he's definitely the most in-form BW player to switch to SC2. His 10-11SPL record was 6-7, which is hardly bad (compare MVP's 09-10SPL at 5-13.) Not S class, and not going to win another title, but his BW form doesn't deserve to be lumped into the same sentence as MC and NesTea.
But really, the best part of fOrGG switching to SC2 is not that we might see a new regular finalist and champion (or an old BW guy crash and burn,) but rather that we get to see fOrGG play StarCraft again. I missed him! <3
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On October 07 2011 01:29 jellyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 01:23 Trezeguet wrote:On October 06 2011 22:29 Tofugrinder wrote:On October 06 2011 11:50 Corsica wrote:On September 30 2011 00:34 ZAiNs wrote:oGsFin? What is up with Koreans and bad IDs  . Are you kidding me. Koreans got the sickest IDS! not really, many of them are _really_ bad crazyhydra is the sickest of all time best is sea.geumchi, which means spinach in korean. :edit: Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 01:16 SeaSwift wrote:On October 07 2011 01:05 Kanil wrote:BW mediocrity like ZergBong and MVP pretending they're the best players in the world. I really hope this was sarcastic. MVP was not mediocre at time of switch, he was 50%+ in all matchups AFAIK. And mediocrity then =/= mediocrity now. Nestea was only allowed to play 2v2 in BW (he even said that he never wanted to play a 2v2 again ^_^), so it isn't surprising he had undeveloped talent in 1v1. Sure, the competition in SC2 isn't as high as it was in BW, but MVP was not mediocre, and we will never know how good Nestea could have been.  MVP was actually sub .500 when he switched... and coaches don't randomly assign 2v2 teams. the players who can't make the cut playing 1v1 play 2v2. near the end of the 2v2 format (2007? 2008?) you saw outdated legends like yellow and reach playing 2v2...sure, it's impossible to say just how good Nestea might have been had he only played 1v1. but the coaches spend a dozen+ hours a day with these kids five, six days a week. I find it hard to doubt their assessments of who has what it takes.
TSL.Clide
oGs.TheWind
Yellow
The Korean observer for GomTV
List of people who have said that Nestea going through MSL/OSL (I don't remember which) qualifiers while sorely training for 2v2 was a feat nothing short of mind-blowingly amazing. Only 2 people ever did that, according to Clide.
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2.)do you realize that that oGsMC, IMMvp, IMNesTea all have bw history?
I was in no way refering to those players with my statement, please stop jumping to conclusions. 
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On October 07 2011 17:41 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 15:51 Grovbolle wrote:
Trying again:
Is it pronounced: 4gg
or Fork ?
four gee gee
Thanks bro
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MrHoon
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On October 07 2011 18:56 nokz88 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 01:29 jellyfish wrote:On October 07 2011 01:23 Trezeguet wrote:On October 06 2011 22:29 Tofugrinder wrote:On October 06 2011 11:50 Corsica wrote:On September 30 2011 00:34 ZAiNs wrote:oGsFin? What is up with Koreans and bad IDs . Are you kidding me. Koreans got the sickest IDS! not really, many of them are _really_ bad crazyhydra is the sickest of all time best is sea.geumchi, which means spinach in korean. :edit: On October 07 2011 01:16 SeaSwift wrote:On October 07 2011 01:05 Kanil wrote:BW mediocrity like ZergBong and MVP pretending they're the best players in the world. I really hope this was sarcastic. MVP was not mediocre at time of switch, he was 50%+ in all matchups AFAIK. And mediocrity then =/= mediocrity now. Nestea was only allowed to play 2v2 in BW (he even said that he never wanted to play a 2v2 again ^_^), so it isn't surprising he had undeveloped talent in 1v1. Sure, the competition in SC2 isn't as high as it was in BW, but MVP was not mediocre, and we will never know how good Nestea could have been. MVP was actually sub .500 when he switched... and coaches don't randomly assign 2v2 teams. the players who can't make the cut playing 1v1 play 2v2. near the end of the 2v2 format (2007? 2008?) you saw outdated legends like yellow and reach playing 2v2...sure, it's impossible to say just how good Nestea might have been had he only played 1v1. but the coaches spend a dozen+ hours a day with these kids five, six days a week. I find it hard to doubt their assessments of who has what it takes. TSL.Clide oGs.TheWind Yellow The Korean observer for GomTV List of people who have said that Nestea going through MSL/OSL (I don't remember which) qualifiers while sorely training for 2v2 was a feat nothing short of mind-blowingly amazing. Only 2 people ever did that, according to Clide.
you can't say they put Reach and Yellow in 2v2 because they were outdated legends
back in their primes, Yellow/Nestea aka ZERGBONG and Reach were always the 2v2 guys for KT
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On October 08 2011 05:57 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 17:41 Ribbon wrote:On October 07 2011 15:51 Grovbolle wrote:
Trying again:
Is it pronounced: 4gg
or Fork ?
four gee gee Thanks bro
it's actually 4g 3baby
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On October 07 2011 01:23 Trezeguet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 22:29 Tofugrinder wrote:On October 06 2011 11:50 Corsica wrote:On September 30 2011 00:34 ZAiNs wrote:oGsFin? What is up with Koreans and bad IDs . Are you kidding me. Koreans got the sickest IDS! not really, many of them are _really_ bad crazyhydra is the sickest of all time
![[image loading]](http://www.plu.cn/d/file/sc/note/2011-08-10/2290ef4ddb874d2e87c4f9007bcb683a.jpg)
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On October 08 2011 06:21 b0lt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 01:23 Trezeguet wrote:On October 06 2011 22:29 Tofugrinder wrote:On October 06 2011 11:50 Corsica wrote:On September 30 2011 00:34 ZAiNs wrote:oGsFin? What is up with Koreans and bad IDs . Are you kidding me. Koreans got the sickest IDS! not really, many of them are _really_ bad crazyhydra is the sickest of all time
haha crazy hydra has the best signature among all the progamers and what's up with forgg, kt fan in me is curious on how he is doing in sc2 .
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When will we get to see him in some games?
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Netherlands118 Posts
someone on ogs (think supernova) said he already had multiple hm accounts and that they expect him to make code s next year , so it seems forgg takes sc2 seriously.
hope he does well
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On October 07 2011 00:14 .vid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 10:51 `chain wrote:On October 06 2011 05:26 .vid wrote:
really not interested in seeing washed up ex-bw pros ( mediocre at best at the time of move) joining sc2 scene & teams. don't think these guys can add anything to the game in the terms of skill, only maybe some fake hype to let outsiders think sc2 is actually a big thing in korea :D The stupidity of some people baffles me sometime. iirc, none of the "top" sc2 pros have produced any results in BW that match fOrGG's. Get to A+ on ICCUP, win a MSL, and then I'll consider your opinion worthy of any of my time. User was warned for this post guess i put my words wrong, i apologise for that since my intention isn't to flame or start a flame with anyone. what i meant is, at today's level of play in brood war, neither boxer, nada, forgg or anyone else that moved is nothing more then an average bw player, some even worse then that, so i don't percieve forGG moving as a big thing, since it's obvious he can't accomplish anything in brood war anymore. I just see it as another guy starting sc2 to maybe accomplish something that he missed out on in brood war. on the other hand, if forGG keeps his work ethic he had in brood war, I am pretty confident that he can feature in some gsl finals, but i'd prefer if sc2 managed to make it's own superstars, guys who have no bw or wc3 history. well, that's it from me on this topic.
fOrGG was an average A class BW player.
However, if you compare that to MVP who at his prime was winning 40% of his games, MC and Nestea, who weren't even good enough to be fielded to play, fOrGG is way better.
He is past his prime when he won his MSL, but he was nowhere near "washed up". He could actually still compete with the BW pros when he retired.
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cant wait to see this guys games soon he'll be tearing shit up in no time
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Wow, you're really all-over the place ^_^
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On September 30 2011 00:35 OopsOopsBaby wrote:![[image loading]](http://i28.tinypic.com/o9ej3s.jpg) for sc2 newbies who dont know who he is.
LOL. I remember this.
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ForGG making his debut on ESV TV in a couple of minutes :O
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Looking forward to see him in action.
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I just saw him play on ESV TV vs FXOTerious. He's really good, made Terious look like a complete and total newbie. Seems to favour extensive drop play but that's the only game really available from him.
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double drop in to marine tank, so far so good :D
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EPT
