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Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
October 06 2011 02:50 GMT
#1121
On September 30 2011 00:34 ZAiNs wrote:
oGsFin? What is up with Koreans and bad IDs .



Are you kidding me. Koreans got the sickest IDS!
tripper688
Profile Joined January 2011
United States569 Posts
October 06 2011 08:40 GMT
#1122
On October 06 2011 11:00 Darkren wrote:

Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 05:26 .vid wrote:


The stupidity of some people baffles me sometime. iirc, none of the "top" sc2 pros have produced any results in BW that match fOrGG's. Get to A+ on ICCUP, win a MSL, and then I'll consider your opinion worthy of any of my time.



Just want to point out that ur standarts are really high, OMG ur time really is worth money.

On topic i never liked any of forgg play so im really not exited to see him switch to sc2. Also anyone know if Savior is allowed to participate in the GSL seing as Kespa has no direct power vs GOMTV.

That would be the controverse


Well, I think he just means that ForGG, like him or not, is really good by any SC2 standard, better than most of the top pros today. And GOM already said that anyone involved in the fixing scandal would not be allowed to participate. Plus, Savior has already moved on from esports, he's just going to school and what not now. Not sure how his health is either with his knee problems or w-e.
"Excuse me I gotta do some vacuuming really fast *vrrrrrrmmmmmmmmm*" Day[9]
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
October 06 2011 13:27 GMT
#1123
Is it pronounced: 4gg
or Fork ?
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Tofugrinder
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria899 Posts
October 06 2011 13:29 GMT
#1124
On October 06 2011 11:50 Corsica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2011 00:34 ZAiNs wrote:
oGsFin? What is up with Koreans and bad IDs .



Are you kidding me. Koreans got the sickest IDS!

not really, many of them are _really_ bad
.vid
Profile Joined July 2011
Croatia227 Posts
October 06 2011 15:14 GMT
#1125
On October 06 2011 10:51 `chain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 05:26 .vid wrote:
really not interested in seeing washed up ex-bw pros ( mediocre at best at the time of move) joining sc2 scene & teams. don't think these guys can add anything to the game in the terms of skill, only maybe some fake hype to let outsiders think sc2 is actually a big thing in korea :D


The stupidity of some people baffles me sometime. iirc, none of the "top" sc2 pros have produced any results in BW that match fOrGG's. Get to A+ on ICCUP, win a MSL, and then I'll consider your opinion worthy of any of my time.



User was warned for this post

guess i put my words wrong, i apologise for that since my intention isn't to flame or start a flame with anyone.

what i meant is, at today's level of play in brood war, neither boxer, nada, forgg or anyone else that moved is nothing more then an average bw player, some even worse then that, so i don't percieve forGG moving as a big thing, since it's obvious he can't accomplish anything in brood war anymore. I just see it as another guy starting sc2 to maybe accomplish something that he missed out on in brood war.

on the other hand, if forGG keeps his work ethic he had in brood war, I am pretty confident that he can feature in some gsl finals, but i'd prefer if sc2 managed to make it's own superstars, guys who have no bw or wc3 history.

well, that's it from me on this topic.
eujjjjj
Kanil
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1713 Posts
October 06 2011 16:05 GMT
#1126
That won't happen for a while. Until then you have to deal with BW mediocrity like ZergBong and MVP pretending they're the best players in the world.

Some day, SC2 will have kids who've only played SC2, and be good at it... but that day is a long way away.
I used to have an Oz icon over here ---->
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9045 Posts
October 06 2011 16:15 GMT
#1127
On October 07 2011 01:05 Kanil wrote:
That won't happen for a while. Until then you have to deal with BW mediocrity like ZergBong and MVP pretending they're the best players in the world.

Some day, SC2 will have kids who've only played SC2, and be good at it... but that day is a long way away.

If ZergBong wasn't stuck with 2v2 I think he could be pretty decent in BW. Mvp yeah he's not that good. Even in SC2 his games still have a lot room for improvement.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
October 06 2011 16:16 GMT
#1128
On October 07 2011 01:05 Kanil wrote:BW mediocrity like ZergBong and MVP pretending they're the best players in the world.


I really hope this was sarcastic. MVP was not mediocre at time of switch, he was 50%+ in all matchups AFAIK.

And mediocrity then =/= mediocrity now. Nestea was only allowed to play 2v2 in BW (he even said that he never wanted to play a 2v2 again ^_^), so it isn't surprising he had undeveloped talent in 1v1. Sure, the competition in SC2 isn't as high as it was in BW, but MVP was not mediocre, and we will never know how good Nestea could have been.
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
October 06 2011 16:20 GMT
#1129
All the best BW players are still in BW. Those that say MVP, Nestea, MC and forgg were great players at time of retirement are deluding themselves. There isn't much incentive for an A class or S class pro gamer to switch to SC2, they are earning plenty in sc1.
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
October 06 2011 16:23 GMT
#1130
On October 06 2011 22:29 Tofugrinder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 11:50 Corsica wrote:
On September 30 2011 00:34 ZAiNs wrote:
oGsFin? What is up with Koreans and bad IDs .



Are you kidding me. Koreans got the sickest IDS!

not really, many of them are _really_ bad

crazyhydra is the sickest of all time
jellyfish
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States149 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-07 00:21:21
October 06 2011 16:29 GMT
#1131
On October 07 2011 01:23 Trezeguet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 22:29 Tofugrinder wrote:
On October 06 2011 11:50 Corsica wrote:
On September 30 2011 00:34 ZAiNs wrote:
oGsFin? What is up with Koreans and bad IDs .



Are you kidding me. Koreans got the sickest IDS!

not really, many of them are _really_ bad

crazyhydra is the sickest of all time


best is sea.geumchi, which means spinach in korean.


:edit:


On October 07 2011 01:16 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2011 01:05 Kanil wrote:BW mediocrity like ZergBong and MVP pretending they're the best players in the world.


I really hope this was sarcastic. MVP was not mediocre at time of switch, he was 50%+ in all matchups AFAIK.

And mediocrity then =/= mediocrity now. Nestea was only allowed to play 2v2 in BW (he even said that he never wanted to play a 2v2 again ^_^), so it isn't surprising he had undeveloped talent in 1v1. Sure, the competition in SC2 isn't as high as it was in BW, but MVP was not mediocre, and we will never know how good Nestea could have been.


(T)MVP was actually sub .500 when he switched...

and coaches don't randomly assign 2v2 teams. the players who can't make the cut playing 1v1 play 2v2. near the end of the 2v2 format (2007? 2008?) you saw outdated legends like yellow and reach playing 2v2...sure, it's impossible to say just how good Nestea might have been had he only played 1v1. but the coaches spend a dozen+ hours a day with these kids five, six days a week. I find it hard to doubt their assessments of who has what it takes.
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
October 06 2011 22:53 GMT
#1132
On October 07 2011 01:16 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2011 01:05 Kanil wrote:BW mediocrity like ZergBong and MVP pretending they're the best players in the world.


I really hope this was sarcastic. MVP was not mediocre at time of switch, he was 50%+ in all matchups AFAIK.

And mediocrity then =/= mediocrity now. Nestea was only allowed to play 2v2 in BW (he even said that he never wanted to play a 2v2 again ^_^), so it isn't surprising he had undeveloped talent in 1v1. Sure, the competition in SC2 isn't as high as it was in BW, but MVP was not mediocre, and we will never know how good Nestea could have been.


MVP was not 50% in any matchup. His ELO peak was 2072. To put that into perspective, that would put him 42nd in the current BW ELO rankings and gives him the 203rd highest ELO peak. He was very mediocre.

2v2 wasn't played after the 2008 PL season (which ended midway through 2008) so ZergBong did have time to develop his 1v1 skills.
BW forever || Thall
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-07 04:53:22
October 07 2011 04:48 GMT
#1133
Just to give you sc2 fans a brief idea of how forgg is in the 2008 from a brood war fan perspective .

Forgg has always been known to be a player who combines all type of commando units to attack at a timing where his opponent at his weakest .He definitely does not lack in the department of strategy and multi tasking as seen in these fpvod .

I am a kt fan , when I heard forgg was retiring for unknown reason , it broke my heart because the team at the time was at the weakest flash was losing games, hoejja is in a slump and stats was only so so at the time . Violet was the only one left holding the line in the kt's team .

But I will wish you all the best forgg, show them sc2 fans what broodwar players are made of.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
October 07 2011 06:51 GMT
#1134
Trying again:
Is it pronounced: 4gg
or Fork ?
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
October 07 2011 06:55 GMT
#1135
More forgg action !

BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
October 07 2011 06:56 GMT
#1136
On October 07 2011 00:14 .vid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 10:51 `chain wrote:
On October 06 2011 05:26 .vid wrote:
really not interested in seeing washed up ex-bw pros ( mediocre at best at the time of move) joining sc2 scene & teams. don't think these guys can add anything to the game in the terms of skill, only maybe some fake hype to let outsiders think sc2 is actually a big thing in korea :D


The stupidity of some people baffles me sometime. iirc, none of the "top" sc2 pros have produced any results in BW that match fOrGG's. Get to A+ on ICCUP, win a MSL, and then I'll consider your opinion worthy of any of my time.



User was warned for this post

guess i put my words wrong, i apologise for that since my intention isn't to flame or start a flame with anyone.

what i meant is, at today's level of play in brood war, neither boxer, nada, forgg or anyone else that moved is nothing more then an average bw player, some even worse then that, so i don't percieve forGG moving as a big thing, since it's obvious he can't accomplish anything in brood war anymore. I just see it as another guy starting sc2 to maybe accomplish something that he missed out on in brood war.

on the other hand, if forGG keeps his work ethic he had in brood war, I am pretty confident that he can feature in some gsl finals, but i'd prefer if sc2 managed to make it's own superstars, guys who have no bw or wc3 history.

well, that's it from me on this topic.


i have no idea why you grouped forgg with boxer and nada. it's night and day. forgg isn't as historic but he's been actually good in the past 2 or 3 years.

i'd argue that he's the most important person to switch to sc2 thus far. you can argue that boxer/nada are washed up (nadas still good) but forgg combines not only past success but somewhat recent success as well.

it's the midway between washed up bw players and s level player going to sc2, a large stepping stone.
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
October 07 2011 08:29 GMT
#1137
ForGG will make Code S i have no doubt about it, he was a great broodwar player, but i am afraid ppl overhype him, like artosis himself said he will be really good but it's not like he will dominate each and every one, just because he had a BW career. Different game different rules.

To bad he's terran though
MenSol[ZerO]
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1134 Posts
October 07 2011 08:37 GMT
#1138
On October 07 2011 13:48 Sawamura wrote:
Just to give you sc2 fans a brief idea of how forgg is in the 2008 from a brood war fan perspective .

Forgg has always been known to be a player who combines all type of commando units to attack at a timing where his opponent at his weakest .He definitely does not lack in the department of strategy and multi tasking as seen in these fpvod .

I am a kt fan , when I heard forgg was retiring for unknown reason , it broke my heart because the team at the time was at the weakest flash was losing games, hoejja is in a slump and stats was only so so at the time . Violet was the only one left holding the line in the kt's team .

But I will wish you all the best forgg, show them sc2 fans what broodwar players are made of.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LOsJPHbbtw


ROFL oh man got owned so hard by scouts
Prime/MarineKing!!! www.twitter.com/DayTripperSC
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
October 07 2011 08:41 GMT
#1139
On October 07 2011 15:51 Grovbolle wrote:
Trying again:
Is it pronounced: 4gg
or Fork ?


four gee gee
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
October 07 2011 08:56 GMT
#1140
On October 06 2011 11:50 Corsica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2011 00:34 ZAiNs wrote:
oGsFin? What is up with Koreans and bad IDs .



Are you kidding me. Koreans got the sickest IDS!


Sorry, but that's only Korean teams/clans, like fOu (for our utopia).
and the western scene had (or has?) quite some good ones as well, like mym (meet your makers).
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