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phanto
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden708 Posts
September 24 2011 17:17 GMT
#261
Sen and Thorzain.
I really wish Sase would post some result though because he's amazing when practicing.
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
September 24 2011 17:18 GMT
#262
On September 25 2011 02:15 antilyon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 01:47 IcyPringle wrote:
Just another pointless waste of a thread.

1. You don't have half as many people that should be up there.
2. You have people who will never reach that title so why they are up their is because of you.
3. Hundreds of these polls exist and accomplish nothing.
4. For everyone saying IdrA shouldn't be on that list your stupid, hes the best foreigner in the world with accomplishments and general skill level being unsurpassed by any one of those players. He's an American which will and always has made him a foreigner.

4.He WAS the best foreigner last year, right now, He may not be even on top 10.

Yup, he has kinda fallen off lately. Just you guys wait, Korea will make him Code S again ^^
As for why he is on the poll: If you are going to remove Idra, then remove Kas as well. Idra is better than Kas, both in current skill and accomplishments. Idra is not on the very top of the list, but he is not the worst here either.
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
kilergrunt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States263 Posts
September 24 2011 17:19 GMT
#263
I picked Huk but thorzain was a close second. I hate polls like this, it's so hard to pick between great players. It's impossible to say who is better.
Select | iNkA | Tyler | Huk | Idra | Polt | NaNiwa | PuMa | Spanishiwa | DeMusliM | Slush
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
September 24 2011 17:20 GMT
#264
On September 25 2011 02:19 kilergrunt wrote:
I picked Huk but thorzain was a close second. I hate polls like this, it's so hard to pick between great players. It's impossible to say who is better.


Hahaha yes, so hard to pick for me too :D
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
September 24 2011 17:20 GMT
#265
On September 25 2011 02:17 Titorelli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 02:15 antilyon wrote:
On September 25 2011 01:47 IcyPringle wrote:
Just another pointless waste of a thread.

1. You don't have half as many people that should be up there.
2. You have people who will never reach that title so why they are up their is because of you.
3. Hundreds of these polls exist and accomplish nothing.
4. For everyone saying IdrA shouldn't be on that list your stupid, hes the best foreigner in the world with accomplishments and general skill level being unsurpassed by any one of those players. He's an American which will and always has made him a foreigner.

4.He WAS the best foreigner last year, right now, He may not be even on top 10.

No he wasnt

Yes he was. pre 2011 he was pretty much the best. (Beta results, MLG DC, Code S without good practice partners)
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
September 24 2011 17:22 GMT
#266
On September 25 2011 02:20 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 02:17 Titorelli wrote:
On September 25 2011 02:15 antilyon wrote:
On September 25 2011 01:47 IcyPringle wrote:
Just another pointless waste of a thread.

1. You don't have half as many people that should be up there.
2. You have people who will never reach that title so why they are up their is because of you.
3. Hundreds of these polls exist and accomplish nothing.
4. For everyone saying IdrA shouldn't be on that list your stupid, hes the best foreigner in the world with accomplishments and general skill level being unsurpassed by any one of those players. He's an American which will and always has made him a foreigner.

4.He WAS the best foreigner last year, right now, He may not be even on top 10.

No he wasnt

Yes he was. pre 2011 he was pretty much the best. (Beta results, MLG DC, Code S without good practice partners)


Well, I think he means that the same could be said about Jinro(MLG Winner, Code S too) but overall yes idra was amongst the top foreigners last year.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
September 24 2011 17:22 GMT
#267
On September 25 2011 02:11 Xpace wrote:
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On September 25 2011 01:36 TheBanana wrote:
On September 25 2011 01:33 PHILtheTANK wrote:
If it was "Who is your favorite progamer" maybe my answer would be different, but since its "Who is the best progamer" i don't know how anyone else could even be CONSIDERED other than Huk. Still the only foreigner to win lan events with koreans there right? Still the only foreigner to maintain a spot in Code S, something that a number of great Koreans can't do. Hes the clear and only choice.


No, Dimaga won Assembly.


Huk is the third foreigner to ever EARN a Code S spot, after IdrA and Jinro. Some people have highlighted the fact that back when IdrA hit RO8 and Jinro hit RO4, SC2 was severely unrefined compared to now, but I won't get into that and simply assume that this poll counts more 'recent' performances ('recent' may vary from individual perspective).

Huk has maintained his Code S status for 6 months now (GSL May, July, August, October), a tournament where even the best in the world fall out of (IM.Mvp, MarineKingPrime.WE, etc).

Huk is the first and one of two foreigners to win a LAN tournament that is dominated by Koreans.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Thorzain is bad. In fact, I'm a fan of his and I'd put him to a close second. But I'm still shocked that so many people have voted for Thorzain over Huk. I know I might be riding the whole Code S idea here, but is there any other tournament in the world held regularly at a LAN setting with arguably the best of the best, with players like Nestea/Mvp?

It's "who's the best foreigner", not "who's my favorite foreigner" or "who's the best foreigner not playing in tournaments where the best players in the world play for various reasons including but not limited to not wanting to stay in Korea".


I believe that if we put Thorzain in code S today, he could and would do better than Huk.
Huk was really really good around the time he won Dreamhack, but then decided to move into an airplane and travel the continents like a pinball ball for an extended period of time. That obviously affected and diminished his play. Relatively he is not as good as he was. The reason can be found in my signature.
With his mindset and dedication he will probably be back where he was shortly, but I don't believe he is the best foreigner today, argueably he might not even be top 3 right now.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
September 24 2011 17:22 GMT
#268
On September 25 2011 02:12 forgottendreams wrote:
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On September 25 2011 02:09 Toadvine wrote:
I feel like HuK, Thorzain, Naniwa and Sen are the only real contenders at the moment, with both actual results to their name as well as being able to compete with good Koreans in a LAN setting.


I would x out naniwa and replace him with MaNa and you have a top list of foreigners there. Mana has been playing much more stable then nani right now IMO. It seems mana just executes the basic fundamentals without being flashy almost better than any foreigner out there minus thorzain.


MaNa is close, but he really needs to play in more high-profile tournaments. He had huge consistency issues in the past, so I'm a bit reluctant to put him up there. That said, one more good finish in a major tournament, and he'll go up there.

Naniwa has sort of dropped off a bit since going to Korea and learning that Protoss underpowered, but his record is still very good, and his "slump" hasn't lasted long enough to knock him off the pedestal, for me at least.
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
September 24 2011 17:25 GMT
#269
On September 25 2011 02:22 windsupernova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 02:20 Aocowns wrote:
On September 25 2011 02:17 Titorelli wrote:
On September 25 2011 02:15 antilyon wrote:
On September 25 2011 01:47 IcyPringle wrote:
Just another pointless waste of a thread.

1. You don't have half as many people that should be up there.
2. You have people who will never reach that title so why they are up their is because of you.
3. Hundreds of these polls exist and accomplish nothing.
4. For everyone saying IdrA shouldn't be on that list your stupid, hes the best foreigner in the world with accomplishments and general skill level being unsurpassed by any one of those players. He's an American which will and always has made him a foreigner.

4.He WAS the best foreigner last year, right now, He may not be even on top 10.

No he wasnt

Yes he was. pre 2011 he was pretty much the best. (Beta results, MLG DC, Code S without good practice partners)


Well, I think he means that the same could be said about Jinro(MLG Winner, Code S too) but overall yes idra was amongst the top foreigners last year.

I think Jinro hit his top just after the new year, no? I am Idra biased, and Jinro rode the macro terran wave too. People hadn't really adjusted to the macro terran style, and Jinro did it reaaalllly damn well too. I think that was a big reason for his success. I dunno much about Jinro except the GSL runs, and that he too have fallen off
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
September 24 2011 17:28 GMT
#270
I don't like the term foreigner.

It makes no fucking sense in SC2.
Madera
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
September 24 2011 17:28 GMT
#271
Thorzain fighting! So good. ^__^
Reptilia
Profile Joined June 2010
Chile913 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-24 17:31:48
September 24 2011 17:31 GMT
#272
idra was certainly on top of the list but dropped in the past months
Right now, i think its probably either HuK, Select or Sen
The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources
acrimoneyius
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States983 Posts
September 24 2011 17:37 GMT
#273
It's impossible to say right at this very moment, but based off of accomplishments, I don't see how you could give it to anyone but Huk or Thorzain. There are so many good players though, much larger than your list that are arguably very close in skill.
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
September 24 2011 17:40 GMT
#274
The best part about this is that Socke gets underrated/forgotten AGAIN.

:lol
pAORc
Profile Joined October 2010
110 Posts
September 24 2011 17:42 GMT
#275
I voted for Sen because the Gama Bears logo is too sick
JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1357 Posts
September 24 2011 17:43 GMT
#276
"The best part about this is that Socke gets underrated/forgotten AGAIN."

nomatched right now in the KOTH by a mass zergling bronze tech by stephano

no im just kiddin <3
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
September 24 2011 17:44 GMT
#277
Stephano over Sen?Idra over Naniwa? No way.

If I would pick someone who could consistently beat Koreans it would be Sen/Thorzain/HuK and Naniwa and Mana right behind. They have all done it at major events. If players like Stephano, Dimaga, Ret and Nerchio start doing well against Koreans at LANs I would put them in there too. Idra is in a slump.
SC2, rip in pepperinos
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
September 24 2011 17:45 GMT
#278
Maybe Thorzain, maybe Huk... IDK. I think it's one of them. I like Dimaga too, very solid.
p.s. SeleCT is from USA ? C'mooon ! If he is american, then Sase, Huk and Naniwa are koreans - same logic.
Lunas
Profile Joined September 2011
253 Posts
September 24 2011 17:47 GMT
#279
On September 25 2011 02:37 acrimoneyius wrote:
It's impossible to say right at this very moment, but based off of accomplishments, I don't see how you could give it to anyone but Huk or Thorzain. There are so many good players though, much larger than your list that are arguably very close in skill.


Well the poll is not based on accomplishments read the op. It says at the moment

NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
September 24 2011 17:52 GMT
#280
On September 25 2011 02:14 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 02:10 NeonFox wrote:
On September 25 2011 02:06 windsupernova wrote:
On September 25 2011 02:03 WhiteraCares wrote:
Idra is on that list but not Sheth? lol.


Because popularity :D

OP should have added Destiny and Spanishiwa just for the laughs

But overall i don't think Sheth is better than idra but yeah Sheth should be on the poll


That's a matter of opinion of course but Sheth has shown more results lately and recent games of Idra vs Sheth where also taken by the later.

Idra won against Sheth 2-1 in the most recent iirc


Indeed I though the Anaheim match was the latest but they played since then, sorry.
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