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Shinobi1982
Profile Joined January 2011
1605 Posts
September 04 2011 11:58 GMT
#221
I have to side with Major on this one. If he stated from the beginning he wanted to go to Korea and play there and the team (after months) couldn't accomplish anything in that regard. I pretty much don't care about Majors bad manner.

He wants to play in KOREA where the competition is at and where he can focus everything on improving his game. I hope he gets into NSHseo academy. In Korea he will have have to shape up because he will be out of his comfort zone.
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cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
September 04 2011 11:59 GMT
#222
On September 04 2011 20:53 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2011 20:51 HereticSaint wrote:
On September 04 2011 20:47 Grettin wrote:
On September 04 2011 20:41 HereticSaint wrote:
On September 04 2011 20:38 Grettin wrote:
On September 04 2011 20:32 HereticSaint wrote:
On September 04 2011 20:24 SomeONEx wrote:
On September 04 2011 20:17 namste wrote:
On September 04 2011 20:16 SomeONEx wrote:
On September 04 2011 19:46 sixjaxMajor wrote:
ok, first of all the only wrong thing i remember i did was doing the SEA Event and the WBC insident of MLG was more because he started trash talking in a middle of an active game,even tough its wrong and i shouldnt had done it , i did it and i cant change it, it was a mistake and wont happen again. Also i want to clear up some stuff they said i been asking for being realesed for over a month maybe longer since the first day i signed with sixjax they promised they would send me to korea as fast as possible, they apparently had a deal with IM about 2 months ago but it felt down, so i was dissapointed by that but they tried to find a new deal with another team , aka TSL which they basically said were inches to complete and felt again , made me to start doubting about ever making their making their promise right , the thing that made me the most mad was Last MLG when they send 0 players to MLG i asked for a reason and Evoli(team manager) asked the owner of sixjax but he apparently responded with wait a few days we have an annoucment to do, so i was kinda piss at that time than by my self i got in contact with NshoseoSAGE and after test games i was accepted in NSH house so i asked sixjax if they would willing to send me to korea and me staying in NSH for free(no food to pay rent or anyhthing), they said no and at that point i decided to leave and dont play for them anymore i told em i wouldnt accept anymore payments.


What's up with your spelling, brah?



He's so young!!! (and English isn't his native language so)


I'm younger and English ain't my native language either.



On-topic: I love Artosis and believe he has the best intentions but that doesn't mean it's fair to just tear apart Major immediately after his release from Sixjax, he clearly feels that he is a good player and wasn't getting supported sufficiently on the team he was on, he therefore chose to seek support elsewhere. Good for him.


Hold on, am i getting this right, but are you blaming Artosis here a little bit? How do you know Artosis made the call here? I would assume that he didn't. Sorry if i understood you wrong.


I don't know if you've been following Artosis' at all, I'm not going to claim I've been following him ridiculously closely or anything but I have to say whenever you heard him talk about Major he always kept going on and on about his huge potential and how he just needs to develop it. I'm just saying, to say that and not send him to any tournaments, then deny him going to Korea seems off. Maybe him going to Korea would directly conflict with plans the team has (and if they didn't promise Korea to him, then alright) but again it just seems a bit weird.


I have been following Artosis, and you are right that Artosis has said plenty of times that Major is really talented and should develop his skills the best way possible. But I'm pretty sure that Artosis didn't make the call to not to send SixJax players to MLG or Major to Korea. Instead, the management of the team made the decision. They do what ever they want because they are controlling the team and the money. Artosis is just a _coach_.


I don't know why he'd be the coach and a sort of pseudo-spokesman/recruiter (maybe not pseudo-recruiter? I don't know exactly what goes on) for the team if they are not only going to neglect what their players want but also what their coaches think is best for their players.


How hard it is to understand that the management, once again, decides what ever they want to do with the team and it's players. They might have asked Artosis what he thinks, Artosis might have said what they SHOULD do, but in the end, only the management decides what they will do.

Without any proof, it's stupid to blame or even drag Artosis into this.

Agreed, I honestly think that their were probably some contract breaches on Sixjax's side as well. They probably promised korea and when they realised they couldnt / didnt want to deliver on that promise, they brought up major' incidents as a reason to let him go.
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vohne
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines197 Posts
September 04 2011 11:59 GMT
#223
I respect major a little more now for apologizing once more about the incident, and replying in this thread. In defense of him this time, he has me convinced that promises were broken to him regarding Korea. I don't fully support major yet because I have not completely gotten over all his BM in the past, but he has taken a step in the right direction by coming clean and apologizing.
Dexx
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany175 Posts
September 04 2011 11:59 GMT
#224
On September 04 2011 20:50 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2011 20:42 Grettin wrote:
On September 04 2011 20:39 turdburgler wrote:
On September 04 2011 20:38 Defacer wrote:
On September 04 2011 20:34 Uncultured wrote:
Major to EG IMO.


He's too unprofessional for EG, to be frank.

People think that IdrA and Huk have 'attitudes', but when have you ever heard of IdrA or Huk not doing something they said they were going to do, or being anything but appreciative of their team and management? They're actually very disciplined.



2 nights ago idra went to a concert he wasnt planning to go to forcing incontrol to take over his casting duties in the EGMC

sup son


Yet he promised to cast two matches next time. And this is nowhere near as "bad professionalism" as Major did with the SEA tournaments etc. What a stupid post.


he promised to cast the first matchs in the first place : P

he throws his headset (given free by the sponsor) because he loses to a 'scrub' like trimaster

doesnt even bother playing out his best of 3 against nerchio because he doesnt like losing to banelings when he FORCES THE OTHER PLAYER TO ATTACK else (in idras own words) he would be behind

i could go on



i like idra just fine but this 'professionalism' argument only seems to be brought up against major and never anyone else, when all i can see from him so far in sc2 is that he leaves teams who dont deliver for a player of his quality


You have a point. The difference is that Idra is a household name and because of that he gets away with it. Idra on your team means the biggest exposure you get in the NA SC2 scene. He secures EG exposure and I bet my ass the money they need to have the other guys on the team. The same goes for incontrol as well. No results but he is a houshold name in the US SC2 scene and gets EG more exposure with vids about him benching than his play. That is why they will keep him. Incontrol is not stupid. He knows how business works. And I am pretty sure he will keep his name out in order to do what he loves as long as possible.

Maj0r is a no-name in the US SC2 scene. Life isn't fair. It has never been.
AdriftSC
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden66 Posts
September 04 2011 12:00 GMT
#225
Such a solid player, curious to see what happens next.
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
September 04 2011 12:01 GMT
#226
On September 04 2011 20:58 KvltMan wrote:
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On September 04 2011 20:55 TheAntZ wrote:
hope NSH kicks him out asap. We all know its gonna happen, I'd be glad if it happened sooner rather than later.

He never joined the team, he simply played for an opening in the house.


Ah, I didnt know that. My original statement still stands though, hope NSH kicks him out (of their house) asap.
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Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
September 04 2011 12:03 GMT
#227
On September 04 2011 20:57 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2011 20:57 Defacer wrote:
On September 04 2011 20:54 Denzil wrote:
On September 04 2011 20:50 Jakkerr wrote:
If Major wouldn't fit on EG for being unproffesional, please kick Idra today.


Get Major as big a following as Idra. Then ask to kick him.


Or have Major play in Korea 12 hours a day for two years.


he was a training partner for bigger names than idra back in sc1, try again


Well then, he should have no problem finding a team to pay him to grow as a SC2 player on his own terms and finance his wildest dreams.

Oh wait! That's right. The OP.
cleaNr
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden17 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-04 12:04:08
September 04 2011 12:03 GMT
#228
So many kids reads the topic and then replys the most outrageous things.

I would love to se MajOr in korea, hope it happends

GL to you sir
corpsepose
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1678 Posts
September 04 2011 12:05 GMT
#229
major to korea plz
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
September 04 2011 12:07 GMT
#230
On September 04 2011 20:52 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2011 20:45 Talin wrote:
IF what he says about deals with Korean teams is true, I'm going to side with MajOr on this one. It's pretty much public knowledge that his ambition was to go to Korea for a long time, and sixjax didn't even send him to MLG more than once. I can't see what progress could he make in sixjax to be honest.

On September 04 2011 20:22 Defacer wrote:
Feel free to elaborate, sir.

I freely admit that I don't know anything about sixjax. But I do know enough about business to know that developing a partnership with another business doesn't happen overnight, or even 3 to 4 months.

And quite frankly, Major has a reputation.


Gosh, the trend of overstating the business aspect of SC2 is getting worse by the day. -_-

Sixjax has dudes that want to live in Korea, they pay Korean team X some money for them to stay in the house, if the money is appealing enough to team X they accept, otherwise they don't. Either way it comes down to offering the Korean teams terms they are happy with.

It most certainly doesn't involve 3-4 months of negotiations (with 2 teams even) only to break down in the end. It's not a corporate merger.


No offense, but you don't know what you're talking about either. If all Sixjax wanted was to pay for room and board, they would have sent their team to hostel.

Straight up paying another team so they could be their roommates is a shitty deal.


Players living in a hostel is not in any way comparable to players living in a Korean team house - so I'm not sure you know what you're talking about in that regard. No offense.

If sixjax actually thinks that paying another team so the (objectively inferior) players could stay at their team house and improve was a "shitty deal", then they can't really expect ambitious players to join them and stick with them in the first place.

Currently, they're in no position to "negotiate terms" with Korean teams - they need a partnership with a Korean team to retain MajOr (or any talented/ambitious player). Korean teams don't really need sixjax at all.
Darkthur
Profile Joined May 2010
France18 Posts
September 04 2011 12:07 GMT
#231
Maj0r is a no-name in the US SC2 scene. Life isn't fair. It has never been.


maybe a noname, but he definitely has some talents for this game. The opinion of the majority and the exposure can change very quickly in this game.
Some times ago, Naniwa was just another "little kid with some talents" and everyone was bashing him and tell that no team will ever pick him up. Now he is one of the Foreigner only hope against Korean

One or two good results are the only thing that prevent him to go from the "little prick who is hurting esport" to the "I always say that Major had the potential to win !"

Hope he make it to the Korea, and GL major
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Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
September 04 2011 12:09 GMT
#232
WOW, he's going to HoSeo. Good for him.
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-04 12:13:08
September 04 2011 12:11 GMT
#233
Shame Major is a really good player for where he lives. He could have done REALLY well is SJG just sent him over but tbf you don't exactly want to send a player around with an attitude like that. He was well mannered I believe he would have gone to Korea easily and would owning but his attitude is horrendous =/.

Also i really dont get why SJG didn't send players to MLG especially the one with Artosis as he could have easily helped them oO
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Spicy Pepper
Profile Joined December 2009
United States632 Posts
September 04 2011 12:13 GMT
#234
Some people may not like this, but SixJax's actions (good or bad) are secondary to public perception. Especially since Major has an established reputation. It's easier to focus on a person, rather than an organization.

The thing is that you can sort of replace Major with other players (eg. a tournament considering an invite or a team looking for players). There's nothing absolutely special about him at this moment. With someone like Idra, along with his attitude, his reputation has been as the best American player, or the best foreign BW player, or best foreign zerg for awhile.

What is Major known as? An unprofessional, up and coming foreign terran? Unless he's the next Flash (or at least Code S talent) he's replaceable, and it's important whether or not he really is unprofessional, for him to be aware of his image and to never be in a position where he can be portrayed in that manner.

As an analogy, in basketball, there's a simple concept that even some professionals do not understand. It's not about making sure that you don't commit a foul, but it's about making sure you don't appear to commit a foul. It requires an extra level of consciousness. Unfortunately with his reputation (deserved or not), he's sort of in this kind of spot.

I like the idea of up and coming foreigners, but if Major disappeared tomorrow, nothing would really change in SC2. Be professional, if that's what a team asks of you.
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-04 12:15:09
September 04 2011 12:14 GMT
#235
^ what you said is exactly true about sixjax as well. A team, especially a small one like sixjax, depends on its players.

Don't hate on Terran, a bro just wants to go to Korea and own some Korean dudes.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-04 12:17:35
September 04 2011 12:16 GMT
#236
On September 04 2011 21:07 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2011 20:52 Defacer wrote:
On September 04 2011 20:45 Talin wrote:
IF what he says about deals with Korean teams is true, I'm going to side with MajOr on this one. It's pretty much public knowledge that his ambition was to go to Korea for a long time, and sixjax didn't even send him to MLG more than once. I can't see what progress could he make in sixjax to be honest.

On September 04 2011 20:22 Defacer wrote:
Feel free to elaborate, sir.

I freely admit that I don't know anything about sixjax. But I do know enough about business to know that developing a partnership with another business doesn't happen overnight, or even 3 to 4 months.

And quite frankly, Major has a reputation.


Gosh, the trend of overstating the business aspect of SC2 is getting worse by the day. -_-

Sixjax has dudes that want to live in Korea, they pay Korean team X some money for them to stay in the house, if the money is appealing enough to team X they accept, otherwise they don't. Either way it comes down to offering the Korean teams terms they are happy with.

It most certainly doesn't involve 3-4 months of negotiations (with 2 teams even) only to break down in the end. It's not a corporate merger.


No offense, but you don't know what you're talking about either. If all Sixjax wanted was to pay for room and board, they would have sent their team to hostel.

Straight up paying another team so they could be their roommates is a shitty deal.


Players living in a hostel is not in any way comparable to players living in a Korean team house - so I'm not sure you know what you're talking about in that regard. No offense.

If sixjax actually thinks that paying another team so the (objectively inferior) players could stay at their team house and improve was a "shitty deal", then they can't really expect ambitious players to join them and stick with them in the first place.

Currently, they're in no position to "negotiate terms" with Korean teams - they need a partnership with a Korean team to retain MajOr (or any talented/ambitious player). Korean teams don't really need sixjax at all.


The hostel remark was sarcastic, and made to highlight that simply paying someone to do business with you isn't really good business at all.

I'm not sure what Major or his apologists were expecting. That Sixjax should have paid a team like IM to babysit them, using some mysterious vault of money they may or may not have? That Sixjax should just accomodate whatever Major's demands are, because he is really really good and he wants to be in Korea super bad and trying to broker a good deal takes too long and Major is a so special and we don't want him upset waaaaaaaaahhhhhhh.




Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 04 2011 12:19 GMT
#237
What is this WBC thing, I wasn't aware anything happened~
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NuKedUFirst
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada3139 Posts
September 04 2011 12:25 GMT
#238
Wow, Kind of a bummer poor kid is all over the place. He will probably get picked up by some other team as he is a very talented young player.
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legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-04 12:28:36
September 04 2011 12:25 GMT
#239
Every time somebody talks about TT1 or Maj0r, a bunch of noobs start talking about their BW past, as map-hackers (once) or clan-hoppers (plenty of times). It has little to do with the subject of the thread, but what's really ironic, is that most of them have never made a single post in the BW forums, yet they seem to care more about that old drama that the most hardcore BW4lyfe fan. If you don't know the standard opening in ZvT and ZvP (answer is: in what map?), you should'nt talk about this.

I like MajOr because he's a good player, i'm happy he parted ways with sixjax as it is a shitty site that should be as illegal as Ponzi scheme are. Now, i hope Artosis is also going to leave them.

Still, even without a team, Maj0r should go to korea, he has the money to do it thanks to Blizzard. Good luck Major.

Edit: typos!
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cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
September 04 2011 12:27 GMT
#240
On September 04 2011 21:09 Ruscour wrote:
WOW, he's going to HoSeo. Good for him.

Im pretty sure hes not going, he wanted to go and he asked sixjax about it, sixjax said no.

Maybe he will foot his own bill to get out there, but he didnt say in his statement that he was going, he said that he had arranged for the NSHS house so that sixjax could send him there, and then they said no and he left the team. Doesnt say anything about him still going.
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