*EDIT: This is NOT the official statement from the SC2CON. The official post will be posted as soon as meeting between two sides occur. *And NO, This is not trollage..-_-;; merely translation from SC2CON's official site.
Title: Good Evening, This is SC2CON's management team leader
Hello. I am the Committee's management team leader (Lee Jun Ho).
I sincerely apologize for the issues involving team FXO due to my personal circumstances. The following are final conclusions made after talking with the FXO's side, and both sides have agreed to its' contents.
Issues involving 'Team logo' and 'Team name' were not proposed by us (committee), and the misunderstanding between the two sides have been cleared. Through our meeting with FXO in Korea, we will resolve the misunderstanding on the entire matter.
We sincerely apologize to all our fans for everything that happened regarding the FXO team's withdrawal matter, and have already invited FXO to resolve this issue. We will sort this out as soon as we meet with the FXO, and report as soon as everything clears.
no but really, why do you guys choose to make such a drama when the sport is still so young :/. First NASL then FXO, don't tell me sc2con is gonna be Kespa 2.0
I think FXOpen shouldn't have used "SC2con" because they talked to only one person. Yes, that person is the sc2con representative, but like FXOpen stated one person does not equal the whole, even if he is supposedly a representative of it...it doesn't make much sense but I think that the representative's attitude was a personal vendetta and not a group vendetta.
The representative is called representative because he is representing the organization. If he did not represent SC2con, he is not a representative. You see where I'm going with this?
On August 14 2011 18:00 StyLeD wrote: I think FXOpen shouldn't have used "SC2con" because they talked to only one person. Yes, that person is the sc2con representative, but like FXOpen stated one person does not equal the whole, even if he is supposedly a representative of it...it doesn't make much sense but I think that the representative's attitude was a personal vendetta and not a group vendetta.
You're put at a representative position to do just that, if you screw up it reflects upon the organization's decision making regardless.
On August 14 2011 17:56 FXOpen wrote: It is a korean business mentality. I approved this statement by sc2con to be posted as they felt they need to reply to their fans.
However nothing has been resolved as of yet. And I will hope to have a resolution/conclusion by the end of september.
So if nothing has been resolved, and they said at least one thing has been resolved, why did you approve the statement? I understand approving the message so that they can respond to the public, but why approve a message that has a fact in it that isn't correct, according to your version of the story?
On August 14 2011 17:56 FXOpen wrote: It is a korean business mentality. I approved this statement by sc2con to be posted as they felt they need to reply to their fans.
However nothing has been resolved as of yet. And I will hope to have a resolution/conclusion by the end of september.
What is a korean business mentality? The need to consult the other party for approval before posting it? Or something else? I'm a bit confused.
I'll guess the diversion of blame from the identified group, even if it means an individual have to unfairly (and falsely) shoulder the burden
ie a delusional urge to scapegoat someone (willing or unwilling) for the supposed "greater good"
See: * Puma for TSL in the EG-drama * FruitDealer and Tester for TSL and subsequently ST's coach for SC2CON in the payment drama * Teams and managers for SC2CON in the NASL drama * this guy (former prime coach) for SC2CON in the FXOpen drama
Why is it always same with all the shady organizations? They refuse to talk to you, they threaten, they tell you what to do, but when it becomes public, they deny, they reject the claims, they say it wasn't them but somebody else, and suddenly, here they are, ready to talk, like always.
Is this serious? What do they even mean by saying "We will sort this issue with FXO team through a meeting". What is "this issue"? So it's not team name and logo, fine, but what the hell is their issue with any team? Mind your own business and stop telling people what to do, you corrupt bastards.
On August 14 2011 17:56 FXOpen wrote: It is a korean business mentality. I approved this statement by sc2con to be posted as they felt they need to reply to their fans.
However nothing has been resolved as of yet. And I will hope to have a resolution/conclusion by the end of september.
What is a korean business mentality? The need to consult the other party for approval before posting it? Or something else? I'm a bit confused.
No he was replying to the other poster about how koreans always/usually refer to disagreements and conflicts as "misunderstandings" due to "personal circumstances"
On August 14 2011 17:56 FXOpen wrote: It is a korean business mentality. I approved this statement by sc2con to be posted as they felt they need to reply to their fans.
However nothing has been resolved as of yet. And I will hope to have a resolution/conclusion by the end of september.
What is a korean business mentality? The need to consult the other party for approval before posting it? Or something else? I'm a bit confused.
The whole personal circumstances and what not defence. Its acceptable. But very cultural. People in other cultures are more blunt or even less blunt.
At the same time, this is the only statement we could come to some sort of mutual understanding on. So it was approved. As I had suggested that I will go to Korea to investigate and fix everything.
There is a chance we will rejoin sc2con, should some sort of resolution be fixed.
As I stated before. I believe in such an organisation, just now how this representitive is representing the organisation. Management of the organisation is lacking.
On August 14 2011 18:00 StyLeD wrote: I think FXOpen shouldn't have used "SC2con" because they talked to only one person. Yes, that person is the sc2con representative, but like FXOpen stated one person does not equal the whole, even if he is supposedly a representative of it...it doesn't make much sense but I think that the representative's attitude was a personal vendetta and not a group vendetta.
You haven't read FXOboss initial post then. Meh i find this funny!! Oh Sc2Con, i think sc2 will be fine without them
Not to take any sides or anything, but from what it looks like, everyone except the culprit (the guy who wrote this excuse cover up) never knew about this whole matter. Apparently, the culprit (also the team leader of the management division of SC2CON) thought it was "personal talk over the phone" with the FXO, not as the representative from SC2CON.
This is what I see going on at Korean forums, and I do not mean to imply anything here.
xxavi, first you derailed the other thread with that 2002 world cup nonsense, and you are starting to derail this one.
Boss has already said he is not going to publicly discuss the other issues. Stop blindly pointing fingers. Add to the discussion please with your manner cap on please.
On August 14 2011 18:00 StyLeD wrote: I think FXOpen shouldn't have used "SC2con" because they talked to only one person. Yes, that person is the sc2con representative, but like FXOpen stated one person does not equal the whole, even if he is supposedly a representative of it...it doesn't make much sense but I think that the representative's attitude was a personal vendetta and not a group vendetta.
Why is it that this website is crawling with people who would defend Koreans at any cost, even if the situation is indefensible?
Unless you are an ultra-nationalist nazi Korean, you cannot just think they are right all the time?
Did you ever happen to need to talk or solve a problem with a company or an organization or even a government office, and all you could get to talk is just ONE person? Or seemingly the organization would just ignore your requests? "SC2con representative" is the only person they could talk to before going public and making a radical decision like leaving the organization.
On August 14 2011 18:12 GodOfTroll wrote: Not to take any sides or anything, but from what it looks like, everyone except the culprit (the guy who wrote this excuse cover up) never knew about this whole matter. Apparently, the culprit (also the team leader of the management division of SC2CON) thought it was "personal talk over the phone" with the FXO, not as the representative from SC2CON.
This is what I see going on at Korean forums, and I do not mean to imply anything here.
Wow I hope they don't get off that easily with that poor excuse.
On August 14 2011 18:00 StyLeD wrote: I think FXOpen shouldn't have used "SC2con" because they talked to only one person. Yes, that person is the sc2con representative, but like FXOpen stated one person does not equal the whole, even if he is supposedly a representative of it...it doesn't make much sense but I think that the representative's attitude was a personal vendetta and not a group vendetta.
Why is it that this website is crawling with people who would defend Koreans at any cost, even if the situation is indefensible?
Unless you are an ultra-nationalist nazi Korean, you cannot just think they are right all the time?
Did you ever happen to need to talk or solve a problem with a company or an organization or even a government office, and all you could get to talk is just ONE person? Or seemingly the organization would just ignore your requests? "SC2con representative" is the only person they could talk to before going public and making a radical decision like leaving the organization.
Arse-licking has to stop at some point here.
Sorry if I offended you. Just stating my opinion; I'll reread FXO's post like above suggested though.
On August 14 2011 18:12 GodOfTroll wrote: Not to take any sides or anything, but from what it looks like, everyone except the culprit (the guy who wrote this excuse cover up) never knew about this whole matter. Apparently, the culprit (also the team leader of the management division of SC2CON) thought it was "personal talk over the phone" with the FXO, not as the representative from SC2CON.
This is what I see going on at Korean forums, and I do not mean to imply anything here.
On August 14 2011 18:14 PHC wrote: xxavi, first you derailed the other thread with that 2002 world cup nonsense, and you are starting to derail this one.
Boss has already said he is not going to publicly discuss the other issues. Stop blindly pointing fingers. Add to the discussion please with your manner cap on please.
Sorry, I am an emotional guy. Couldn't help but get angry.
I will try to be more civil. In fact, I will just go to bed now. But 2002 World Cup fixing is not a nonsense. You know what I mean, right? Good night.
On August 14 2011 17:56 FXOpen wrote: It is a korean business mentality. I approved this statement by sc2con to be posted as they felt they need to reply to their fans.
However nothing has been resolved as of yet. And I will hope to have a resolution/conclusion by the end of september.
Boss, you're doing it wrong...
You have to make a new thread called FXO's response to SC2CON's response to FXO's withdrawal.
On August 14 2011 17:54 Defacer wrote: Is it just the translation, or does it seem like all Korean disputes are a result of "misunderstandings" and "personal circumstances"?
"I'm sorry I slept with your wife. It was a misunderstanding resulting from my personal circumstances."
Thats how it works over there I guess... completely unprofessional and will not work with the foreign scene. GL with that.
On August 14 2011 18:20 JustPassingBy wrote: If this is from the official site and from the manager, how can this not be an official statement??
Arg...I think i made the mistake of not displaying the full title of the post.
This post was not written as the official statement from the SC2CON. Right now, it looks like there is conflict between the culprit and the rest of the committee (speculations).
This post was posted by Lee Jun Ho, the person whom FOXBOSS had problems with, and does not have the seal of approval from the rest of the committee.
On August 14 2011 18:12 GodOfTroll wrote: Not to take any sides or anything, but from what it looks like, everyone except the culprit (the guy who wrote this excuse cover up) never knew about this whole matter. Apparently, the culprit (also the team leader of the management division of SC2CON) thought it was "personal talk over the phone" with the FXO, not as the representative from SC2CON.
This is what I see going on at Korean forums, and I do not mean to imply anything here.
God, I wish I could read Korean. The Korean forums must be exploding with hilarity right now.
On August 14 2011 18:20 JustPassingBy wrote: If this is from the official site and from the manager, how can this not be an official statement??
Arg...I think i made the mistake of not displaying the full title of the post.
This post was not written as the official statement from the SC2CON. Right now, it looks like there is conflict between the culprit and the rest of the committee (speculations).
This post was posted by Lee Jun Ho, the person whom FOXBOSS had problems with, and does not have the seal of approval from the rest of the committee.
Soooo this isnt a correctly titled thread at all...gotcha. Lets make it even more confusing guys!! -_-
On August 14 2011 18:12 GodOfTroll wrote: Not to take any sides or anything, but from what it looks like, everyone except the culprit (the guy who wrote this excuse cover up) never knew about this whole matter. Apparently, the culprit (also the team leader of the management division of SC2CON) thought it was "personal talk over the phone" with the FXO, not as the representative from SC2CON.
This is what I see going on at Korean forums, and I do not mean to imply anything here.
God, I wish I could read Korean. The Korean forums must be exploding with hilarity right now.
Actually, not much happening in playxp. Their response is more of, 'well we should see how this pans out to', 'maybe the organisation isn't the best idea'. I have no idea why some people on TL want to make a drama out of it.
I find it somewhat ironic how playxp, who actually have high quality posts, talk in polite forms and manner have pictures of boobs as their avatar. :D
This is really concerning if the last couple of weeks have been an indication as to what their mentality is and how much they will try to control in the korean starcraft 2 world. While I love the idea of the organization I think that these people are really really trigger happy and try to throw power around where it really isn't appropriate to do so.
I don't buy it. FXOBoss is clearly a fuckin smart dude with tonnes of business experience, he would have been 100% sure there was no simple misunderstanding that accounted for SC2CON's actions before posting what he posted.
On August 14 2011 17:55 jenzebubble wrote: Did anyone else think of this fellow while reading the OP?
BTW, I never got to find out the real story behind this picture. Is it from the Iraq war?
It's Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, he was the Iraqi Information Minister during the War. He is more known as "Bagdad Bob"
"Bagdad Bob" was famous for his daily, very optimistic and colorful, press briefings regarding the progress of the war. He even appeared regularly on the Jay Leno show.
On April 7, 2003, two days before Baghdad fell to US forces, al-Sahhaf claimed that there were no American troops in Baghdad, and that the Americans were committing suicide by the hundreds at the city's gates. His last public appearance as Information Minister was on April 8, 2003, when he said that the Americans "are going to surrender or be burned in their tanks. They will surrender, it is they who will surrender".
On August 14 2011 18:12 GodOfTroll wrote: Not to take any sides or anything, but from what it looks like, everyone except the culprit (the guy who wrote this excuse cover up) never knew about this whole matter. Apparently, the culprit (also the team leader of the management division of SC2CON) thought it was "personal talk over the phone" with the FXO, not as the representative from SC2CON.
This is what I see going on at Korean forums, and I do not mean to imply anything here.
God, I wish I could read Korean. The Korean forums must be exploding with hilarity right now.
Actually, not much happening in playxp. Their response is more of, 'well we should see how this pans out to', 'maybe the organisation isn't the best idea'. I have no idea why some people on TL want to make a drama out of it.
I find it somewhat ironic how playxp, who actually have high quality posts, talk in polite forms and manner have pictures of boobs as their avatar. :D
Don't want the pitchforks we bought for EG to go to waste.
On August 14 2011 18:12 GodOfTroll wrote: Not to take any sides or anything, but from what it looks like, everyone except the culprit (the guy who wrote this excuse cover up) never knew about this whole matter. Apparently, the culprit (also the team leader of the management division of SC2CON) thought it was "personal talk over the phone" with the FXO, not as the representative from SC2CON.
This is what I see going on at Korean forums, and I do not mean to imply anything here.
God, I wish I could read Korean. The Korean forums must be exploding with hilarity right now.
Actually, not much happening in playxp. Their response is more of, 'well we should see how this pans out to', 'maybe the organisation isn't the best idea'. I have no idea why some people on TL want to make a drama out of it.
I find it somewhat ironic how playxp, who actually have high quality posts, talk in polite forms and manner have pictures of boobs as their avatar. :D
Oh, it's all in good fun.
Honestly, when you go from the NASL announcement, the FXO announcement to this announcement, the amount of SC2Con drama over the past couple of days has been out of the ordinary from a foreigner perspective.
On August 14 2011 17:45 GodOfTroll wrote: *EDIT: This is NOT the official statement from the SC2CON. The official post will be posted as soon as meeting between two sides occur. *And NO, This is not trollage..-_-;; merely translation from SC2CON's official site.
Title: Good Evening, This is SC2CON's management team leader
Hello. I am the Committee's management team leader (Lee Jun Ho).
I sincerely apologize for the issues involving team FXO due to my personal circumstances. The following are final conclusions made after talking with the FXO's side, and both sides have agreed to its' contents.
Issues involving 'Team logo' and 'Team name' was not proposed by the Committee's side, and the misunderstanding between the two have been resolved.
We will sort this issue with FXO team through a meeting, once their representative arrives in Korea.
We sincerely apologize to all our fans for everything that happened regarding the FXO team's withdrawal matter, and have already invited FXO to resolve this issue. We will sort this out as soon as we meet with the representative from FXO, and report as soon as everything clears.
this announcement is meaningless. It is the typical coporate bla bla you can read everywhere. People never get fired in japan e.g. they always "leave" on their own desire. This sc2con announcement / excuse can be ignored.
On August 14 2011 17:45 GodOfTroll wrote: *EDIT: This is NOT the official statement from the SC2CON. The official post will be posted as soon as meeting between two sides occur. *And NO, This is not trollage..-_-;; merely translation from SC2CON's official site.
Title: Good Evening, This is SC2CON's management team leader
Hello. I am the Committee's management team leader (Lee Jun Ho).
I sincerely apologize for the issues involving team FXO due to my personal circumstances. The following are final conclusions made after talking with the FXO's side, and both sides have agreed to its' contents.
Issues involving 'Team logo' and 'Team name' was not proposed by the Committee's side, and the misunderstanding between the two have been resolved.
We will sort this issue with FXO team through a meeting, once their representative arrives in Korea.
We sincerely apologize to all our fans for everything that happened regarding the FXO team's withdrawal matter, and have already invited FXO to resolve this issue. We will sort this out as soon as we meet with the representative from FXO, and report as soon as everything clears.
제 개인적인 일들로 인해 FXO측과의 이슈로 많은 팬분들과 관계자들에게 심려를 끼쳐드려 죄송합니다. 아래 내용은 FXO와의 대화를 통해 최종적으로 정리된 내용이며 FXO측이 동의한 내용임을 알려드립니다.
팀로고와 팀명칭에 대한 부분은 저희가 제안하지 않았으며 이에 대해 서로간의 오해가 풀렸고 FXO와 한국에서의 만남을 통해 모든 내용에 대한 오해를 풀것입니다.
팬 여러분들께 진심으로 사과를 드리며 이번 이슈를 해결하기 위해 FXO를 초청하였으니 이후 FXO와의 만남을 통해 다시 정확한 내용이 정리되는대로 알려드리겠습니다.
From:http://s2con.com/xe/Notice/8468
Be more literal when translating
팀로고와 팀명칭에 대한 부분은 저희가 제안하지 않았으며 이에 대해 서로간의 오해가 풀렸고 FXO와 한국에서의 만남을 통해 모든 내용에 대한 오해를 풀것입니다.
you missed out on a ton of nuances that's implicit within this phrase so yeah. be as literal and precise as you can with this.
I apologize for my carelessness. It had never occurred to me when I was translating the original text. However, upon farther speculations, I see how one can misunderstand the original context. The text has been re-edited. If you disapprove of the translation, I will take it off right away. I did not mean to cause mis-communication.
You guys realize that the SC2Con members won't be very good at English, and they'd probably at best have to work through a translator, which is why they would rather work with FXO's Korean branch cos there's less misunderstandings there, and even then there were heaps of misunderstandings. Imagine if they had to speak with the language barrier in place too, and the culture barrier too
On August 14 2011 20:26 AlissyXOXO wrote: You guys realize that the SC2Con members won't be very good at English, and they'd probably at best have to work through a translator, which is why they would rather work with FXO's Korean branch cos there's less misunderstandings there, and even then there were heaps of misunderstandings.
That would be cool if those "conversations" were not at past midnight hour...
On August 14 2011 18:00 StyLeD wrote: I think FXOpen shouldn't have used "SC2con" because they talked to only one person. Yes, that person is the sc2con representative, but like FXOpen stated one person does not equal the whole, even if he is supposedly a representative of it...it doesn't make much sense but I think that the representative's attitude was a personal vendetta and not a group vendetta.
When you're speaking to the representative of an organisation, it goes without saying that they REPRESENT the body for which they are representing, hence they are the REPRESENTATIVE.
As I gather from the implications in these statements, there has been some misunderstandings in the communication. Both sides are trying hard to maintain a somewhat professional attitude towards each other, but as I read the translated statements, the aftermath will get ugly unless the problematic person in question resigns.
As I see it sc2con is taking a confrontational and dictatorial approach in matters, when in fact they need to act as a diplomatic advisory or negotiation leaders in all matters. Having any organisation imposing non-negotiable and specific demands upon their members seem unbenificial no matter what in Starcraft 2. You rather need support from such an organisation to get positive input on behaviour and interaction in any twist.
On August 14 2011 20:46 saritenite wrote: Um guys, if every detail has not been laid bare yet, we should not prejudge.
Every detail is not needed in order to form an opinion. "Pre-judge" is judging with no basis. There's a basis here. But thanks for the heads up, Coach lee
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