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EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
March 26 2012 18:33 GMT
#781
i sow marinekingporaim at mlg eh win so eh strong ))
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
duct_TAPE
Profile Joined May 2011
492 Posts
March 26 2012 18:33 GMT
#782
On March 27 2012 03:23 GMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 03:13 Forbidden17 wrote:
On March 27 2012 01:37 FakeDeath wrote:
MKP has never beaten MVP in any televised match -.- .
Plus, i admit MKP is on fire lately but MVP has won 3 GSL titles,WCG 2011 and Blizzcon Invitational.
Results wise, i will still say that MVP is on the lead but not by a large margin.He is undergoing through a small slump but he should bounce back soon enough.

But MKP has shown some sick TvP and TvZ. His TvT is still a bit lacking though.
MKP has improved a ton and shown potential to surpass either MVP or MMA and he is still young.
But MVP and MMA has posted much better results than him overall so yeah.

1.MVP
2.MMA
3.MKP
4.Gumiho
5.Alive

These are my personal top 5 terrans now. But personally i think MMA is better than MVP at the moment but MVP has posted better results overall.

Really?

Not Jjakji? Not Polt?

Probably Jjakji but just cause you win a tournament doesnt neccesarly mean you are better then players who have not (MKP till like 2 months ago lol), you can make a arguement for polt but just like HuK he has only gotten really good results (None TvT) outside of Korea. Which is where all the "Prestige" is. But the fact that he did win a big tournament and then hit a slump and then started winning again does probably make him better then Gumiho. But the reason Gumiho is probably up there is because of how f'ing fast he is. If you've ever matched him on the ladder it feels like you are getting hit, and those punches are really weak but they are so fast that you eventually get knocked out lol.

My notes on MKP being Terran King:

This is beside the point of him winning two MLG's because people like to jump on the bandwagon of who wins the next tournament = best player in the world. But if you ever got to watch MKP from replays on BNet where he actually is hands down the best player when it comes too online play. The thing holding him back has been his nerves and hes still not playing 100%. When he plays from his house, or team house (wherever he plays bnet from) it looks exactly how you'd think Flash/Jd/Bisu are going to play the game. Nearly absolutely perfect play. Starting out with aggressive cheesey builds and if they don't work he has a solid macro plan to follow up on. MKP has been the best terran since GSL Open S2, but his nerves have always gotten the best of him.


I find it hard to correctly judge a player that far back with nerves taken into account. You're essentially saying that MKP would have beaten MVP in the two finals where they met, if MKP wasn't affected by his nerves? How can you know this is the case?
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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
March 26 2012 18:36 GMT
#783
...remember that thing about not defining who is the best off one tournament? this applies.

sure MKP is doing great, but if MVP had showed up to this MLG, would he definitely been a contender to win? what about MMA? He beats DRG regularly too. MKP shows that he is a great terran, but I don't know if I'm ready to definitively call him better than MMA/MVP both of whom have suffered a lack of exposure simply from not playing that many matches in 2012
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
March 26 2012 18:37 GMT
#784
On March 27 2012 03:23 GMonster wrote:
MKP has been the best terran since GSL Open S2, but his nerves have always gotten the best of him.

Sorry, but no. MVP spent months last year absolutely thrashing everyone in the world, including MKP. Getting your nerves under control is part of greatness, and you can't be considered the best if you crumble under pressure like MKP did so often.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
March 26 2012 18:38 GMT
#785
On March 27 2012 03:37 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 03:23 GMonster wrote:
MKP has been the best terran since GSL Open S2, but his nerves have always gotten the best of him.

Sorry, but no. MVP spent months last year absolutely thrashing everyone in the world, including MKP. Getting your nerves under control is part of greatness, and you can't be considered the best if you crumble under pressure like MKP did so often.


I agree. The question here is who is the best, not who has the potential to be the best even though their nerves stop them from proving it.. MVP still.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
JayConn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States408 Posts
March 26 2012 18:43 GMT
#786
Yeah, MKP is up there, but part of that is just because we have seen so much more of him than MVP/MMA in the last few months. Don't get me wrong, he absolutely beasted in the MLGs, but I just want to see MMA/MVP actually play a decent amount before we start calling MKP the current king.
-niL
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1131 Posts
March 27 2012 00:09 GMT
#787
We should wait at least a few more GSLs and MLGs and some other tournament to decide. As of the current, we do not have a big enough sample size
Esk23
Profile Joined July 2011
United States447 Posts
March 27 2012 00:11 GMT
#788
MVP is still the most accomplished sc2 player ever, if you are counting JUST 2012 then it's MKP for sure. Don't forget about MMA, he's won an MLG, 2 GSL championships, etc.
kckkryptonite
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1126 Posts
March 27 2012 02:44 GMT
#789
The way MKP has been winning TvP and TvZ recently feels so MCish, but so dominant. He just streams units across the map and demolishes players with good macro and insane micro. He's definitely come so much farther than the cheese Terran he was a year ago, but I still think MVP/MMA have more finesee and strategy in their play.
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Dissonance23
Profile Joined September 2010
United States259 Posts
March 27 2012 02:47 GMT
#790
MKP I feel right now, until MVP gets his wrists fixed I don't think he'll be able to play as well as he should be, and MMA I haven't heard much of since blizzcon. =(
courtpanda
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
866 Posts
March 27 2012 03:26 GMT
#791
MVP isnt the best right now. MKP looks the strongest, followed by aLive
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
May 02 2012 16:49 GMT
#792
Just want to bump this thread - after all the talk about MKP (who I think is the current best terran though anyways), MVP showing he has what it takes to win! He's doing it in adversity as well (against the backdrop of protoss dominance)!
InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
May 02 2012 16:55 GMT
#793
"Mvp is the most winningest player in Starcraft 2 to date" - Artosis

The fact is that he is solid in ALL match-ups, and shines in each one in a different way. MKP's speciality is TvP, MMA TvZ, aLive TvT, but nobody (maybe TaeJa, but still) has been able to master all three match-ups in the same fashion as Mvp.

...


...


Also the 3 GSLs doesn't hurt.
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Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
May 02 2012 16:55 GMT
#794
Currently i think MKP is the best Terran, however i think as most people have stated if MVP can get his wrists sorted out he will retake the throne.

MMA is amazing against Zerg, but his other match ups don't seem as good i place him 3rd
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 17:02:51
May 02 2012 17:01 GMT
#795
MVP in his prime is without a doubt not just the best terran but the best player overall in sc2. His TvZ was on par with MMA's, his TvT was the best in the world and I also haven't seen him lose too much TvP.
People have been shaking in fear for months from simply hearing his name. So no, MKP is not the "Terran King". He'll have to win and dominate everything for a little longer.

On another note, why in the hell does my browser warn me because of malware when I'm trying to open the first page of this thread. lol
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Sithelin123
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada168 Posts
May 02 2012 17:11 GMT
#796
I think MKP is better than IMMVP personally. I find him a much more interesting player.
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
May 02 2012 17:12 GMT
#797
yeah atm MVP on the throne, MKP MMA to his sides, Polt behind the curtains (insert WHO IS THIS GUY joke here), and then many other skilled terrans in the room. (gogo taeja!)

but this already unstable setting will be tested when BW progamers come, i hope "our" current terrans can show that their play and competion amounts to more than can be beaten in a few months of practice, but i am very excited how BW players will approach this.
madsweepslol
Profile Joined February 2010
161 Posts
May 02 2012 17:16 GMT
#798
Gonna have to go with MKP over MVP/MMA, just because he's active right now.
MaV_gGSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1345 Posts
May 02 2012 17:17 GMT
#799
IMMVP will always be king until Flash switches ^^
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
May 02 2012 17:23 GMT
#800
On May 03 2012 02:16 madsweepslol wrote:
Gonna have to go with MKP over MVP/MMA, just because he's active right now.


MMA's got Iron Squid this weekend, and he could go far.

Basically, I think there are the big 4 right now:

MVP (Obvious reasons, despite his slump he is still incredibly good and now is in the semifinals)
MMA (2nd most accomplished Terran in GSL after MVP, strong showings in IEM, IPL, Iron Squid, and until recently, GSL)
MKP (Dominated MLG, did very well in GSTL for his team)
aLive (Very strong GSL performance until this season, won IPL 4, going to Paris for Iron Squid)

Can't really say there is 1 player out of these 4 who really is above the rest. I'm an MMA fan, so naturally I think he would be the best, but this list is my attempt to be as objective as possible.
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