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MKP has never beaten MVP in any televised match -.- .
Plus, i admit MKP is on fire lately but MVP has won 3 GSL titles,WCG 2011 and Blizzcon Invitational.
Results wise, i will still say that MVP is on the lead but not by a large margin.He is undergoing through a small slump but he should bounce back soon enough.
But MKP has shown some sick TvP and TvZ. His TvT is still a bit lacking though.
MKP has improved a ton and shown potential to surpass either MVP or MMA and he is still young.
But MVP and MMA has posted much better results than him overall so yeah.
1.MVP
2.MMA
3.MKP
4.Gumiho
5.Alive
These are my personal top 5 terrans now. But personally i think MMA is better than MVP at the moment but MVP has posted better results overall.
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On March 27 2012 01:37 FakeDeath wrote:
MKP has never beaten MVP in any televised match -.- .
Plus, i admit MKP is on fire lately but MVP has won 3 GSL titles,WCG 2011 and Blizzcon Invitational.
Results wise, i will still say that MVP is on the lead but not by a large margin.He is undergoing through a small slump but he should bounce back soon enough.
you don't have to beat someone to be better than him, because being good in sc2 is not ONE thing, but the sum of being good in 3 different things. if MVP has a better TvT than MKP, but MKP way better TvP and TvZ, he is still the better player.
edit: nvm, ninja edit
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MKP has this entire year to destroy Mvp. Just give it some time.
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i see all the people here talk about mvp and a comeback from his slump, but i dont think thats gonna happen anytime soon since he still has so much problem with his CTS
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On March 27 2012 01:37 blamekilly wrote:
There is no king, people just have very short memory and will just go by latest results.
a year ago MVP
a couple months ago MMA
2 weeks ago Polt
this week MKP
These guys just haven't been consistent enough to be considered king, not even MVP. I'd rank them like this tho
1a MVP
1b MMA
2-3 MKP/Polt
and the rest.
At least Marineking has been top tier since early on. Sure, he hasn't won code S or even code A (taking 2nd in that to Ganzi), but being a six time finalist in GSL is a big deal. He said in the past that his nerves would get to him in finals and he would fold under the pressure. Apart from that issue, I'd say that MKP has been consistently good for longer than MVP, starting in GSL Open S2.
EDIT: MKP's TvZ and TvP have always been top notch. TvT, his weakness, is pretty much why he doesn't have results as good as MVP.
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On March 27 2012 01:48 Demonhunter04 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 01:37 blamekilly wrote:
There is no king, people just have very short memory and will just go by latest results.
a year ago MVP
a couple months ago MMA
2 weeks ago Polt
this week MKP
These guys just haven't been consistent enough to be considered king, not even MVP. I'd rank them like this tho
1a MVP
1b MMA
2-3 MKP/Polt
and the rest.
At least Marineking has been top tier since early on. Sure, he hasn't won code S or even code A (taking 2nd in that to Ganzi), but being a six time finalist in GSL is a big deal. He said in the past that his nerves would get to him in finals and he would fold under the pressure. Apart from that issue, I'd say that MKP has been consistently good for longer than MVP, starting in GSL Open S2. EDIT: MKP's TvZ and TvP have always been top notch. TvT, his weakness, is pretty much why he doesn't have results as good as MVP.
In my opinion GSL earnings is the best indicator of how strong a player is. In that regard MKP has been a finalist many times, he is a player that is rather consistent. He has never won a GSL championship though. Now, if this as many say is cause of nerves that he has yet to take a GSL championship, he might be the best player in the world but you can also argue that he is not, since his results dosn't speak well for him compared to players with 3 championships for example.
He might be held back by his nerves but that isn't an excuse.
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Starcraft 2 changes so quickly that its hard to use past accomplishments when evaluating who is currently at the top. Historical GSL performance doesn't mean all that much when the top few players may change on a month-to-month basis.
Thats not to say MVP is still not one of the top terrans, but I think you'd have to look at his more recent play to make that statement, and not his GSL victories.
I think looking at how MKP has played recently I would go with MKP as the best all-around TvX.
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On March 27 2012 01:48 Demonhunter04 wrote:
EDIT: MKP's TvZ and TvP have always been top notch. TvT, his weakness, is pretty much why he doesn't have results as good as MVP.
And the same reason why Creator+MKP in Teamleague is such a deadly combo.
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I feel like MKP is the best terran (and maybe the best player in the world) in LAN-type environments where you have to play lots of games against lots of opponents. He has just so much variation and so many weird yet effective builds he can throw at his opponents, as well as brilliant execution. But I'm not convinced he is as good in the GSL model where you and your opponents are well prepared for your style.
The upcoming code S season is very interesting for the terran players. Can MKP replicate his success at MLG events? Is MVP still limited by his injuries? Has MMA finally fixed his TvP? We also can't forget fantastic players like Jjakji, aLive and Gumiho right behind them.
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On March 27 2012 02:30 duct_TAPE wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 01:48 Demonhunter04 wrote:On March 27 2012 01:37 blamekilly wrote:
There is no king, people just have very short memory and will just go by latest results.
a year ago MVP
a couple months ago MMA
2 weeks ago Polt
this week MKP
These guys just haven't been consistent enough to be considered king, not even MVP. I'd rank them like this tho
1a MVP
1b MMA
2-3 MKP/Polt
and the rest.
At least Marineking has been top tier since early on. Sure, he hasn't won code S or even code A (taking 2nd in that to Ganzi), but being a six time finalist in GSL is a big deal. He said in the past that his nerves would get to him in finals and he would fold under the pressure. Apart from that issue, I'd say that MKP has been consistently good for longer than MVP, starting in GSL Open S2. EDIT: MKP's TvZ and TvP have always been top notch. TvT, his weakness, is pretty much why he doesn't have results as good as MVP. In my opinion GSL earnings is the best indicator of how strong a player is. In that regard MKP has been a finalist many times, he is a player that is rather consistent. He has never won a GSL championship though. Now, if this as many say is cause of nerves that he has yet to take a GSL championship, he might be the best player in the world but you can also argue that he is not, since his results dosn't speak well for him compared to players with 3 championships for example. He might be held back by his nerves but that isn't an excuse.
GSL earnings is not a good indicator, because the winner gets double the amount that the finalist does. MKP recently said that he no longer feels that he is the best player on his team (saying that Creator and Byun are better) and that took the pressure off him, allowing him to play better. This was from the GSTL interview after he all-killed NSHoSeo lol.
On March 27 2012 02:53 Bagi wrote:
I feel like MKP is the best terran (and maybe the best player in the world) in LAN-type environments where you have to play lots of games against lots of opponents. He has just so much variation and so many weird yet effective builds he can throw at his opponents, as well as brilliant execution. But I'm not convinced he is as good in the GSL model where you and your opponents are well prepared for your style.
The upcoming code S season is very interesting for the terran players. Can MKP replicate his success at MLG events? Is MVP still limited by his injuries? Has MMA finally fixed his TvP? We also can't forget fantastic players like Jjakji, aLive and Gumiho right behind them.
MKP did recently say that he stopped using premade build orders and styles and improvises as he goes. This really allows him to play outside the box and makes him hard to predict without him needing time to prepare unusual builds. This approach isn't as strong in GSL where everyone gets time to prepare builds, but still, I'd love to be able to play like that.
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On March 27 2012 01:43 Kubricks wrote:
MKP has this entire year to destroy Mvp. Just give it some time.
MVP has wrist problems so beating him now is meaningless, and he very well may fade out of the game entirely.
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On March 27 2012 01:37 FakeDeath wrote:
MKP has never beaten MVP in any televised match -.- .
Plus, i admit MKP is on fire lately but MVP has won 3 GSL titles,WCG 2011 and Blizzcon Invitational.
Results wise, i will still say that MVP is on the lead but not by a large margin.He is undergoing through a small slump but he should bounce back soon enough.
But MKP has shown some sick TvP and TvZ. His TvT is still a bit lacking though.
MKP has improved a ton and shown potential to surpass either MVP or MMA and he is still young.
But MVP and MMA has posted much better results than him overall so yeah.
1.MVP
2.MMA
3.MKP
4.Gumiho
5.Alive
These are my personal top 5 terrans now. But personally i think MMA is better than MVP at the moment but MVP has posted better results overall.
Really?
Not Jjakji? Not Polt?
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GSL earnings is not a good indicator, because the winner gets double the amount that the finalist does. MKP recently said that he no longer feels that he is the best player on his team (saying that Creator and Byun are better) and that took the pressure off him, allowing him to play better. This was from the GSTL interview after he all-killed NSHoSeo lol.
By GSL earnings I mean GSL titles, not the amount of money you have made, sorry for the misunderstanding.
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On March 27 2012 03:13 Forbidden17 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 01:37 FakeDeath wrote:
MKP has never beaten MVP in any televised match -.- .
Plus, i admit MKP is on fire lately but MVP has won 3 GSL titles,WCG 2011 and Blizzcon Invitational.
Results wise, i will still say that MVP is on the lead but not by a large margin.He is undergoing through a small slump but he should bounce back soon enough.
But MKP has shown some sick TvP and TvZ. His TvT is still a bit lacking though.
MKP has improved a ton and shown potential to surpass either MVP or MMA and he is still young.
But MVP and MMA has posted much better results than him overall so yeah.
1.MVP
2.MMA
3.MKP
4.Gumiho
5.Alive
These are my personal top 5 terrans now. But personally i think MMA is better than MVP at the moment but MVP has posted better results overall. Really? Not Jjakji? Not Polt?
Probably Jjakji but just cause you win a tournament doesnt neccesarly mean you are better then players who have not (MKP till like 2 months ago lol), you can make a arguement for polt but just like HuK he has only gotten really good results (None TvT) outside of Korea. Which is where all the "Prestige" is. But the fact that he did win a big tournament and then hit a slump and then started winning again does probably make him better then Gumiho. But the reason Gumiho is probably up there is because of how f'ing fast he is. If you've ever matched him on the ladder it feels like you are getting hit, and those punches are really weak but they are so fast that you eventually get knocked out lol.
My notes on MKP being Terran King:
This is beside the point of him winning two MLG's because people like to jump on the bandwagon of who wins the next tournament = best player in the world. But if you ever got to watch MKP from replays on BNet where he actually is hands down the best player when it comes too online play. The thing holding him back has been his nerves and hes still not playing 100%. When he plays from his house, or team house (wherever he plays bnet from) it looks exactly how you'd think Flash/Jd/Bisu are going to play the game. Nearly absolutely perfect play. Starting out with aggressive cheesey builds and if they don't work he has a solid macro plan to follow up on. MKP has been the best terran since GSL Open S2, but his nerves have always gotten the best of him.
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Anyone who doesn't say MKP right now is a commy.
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What has MVP done recently? Anyone who is blindly voting for him still has GOMTVT as their slogan. Please watch the GSL before jumping up and down screaming for a player or race.
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Ive always thought Marineking was the best Terran after it was rumoured he held Place 1,2 and 3 on the Korean ladder at the same time. That micro can't be replicated easily, and his macro is picking up now so unless someone finds a way to hard counter him, hes going to earn alot this year.
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EPT
