Who is the Terran King - Page 15

Cloud9157

United States2968 Posts

August 26 2011 15:06 GMT

#281

Mvp wins GSL this month and I will call him the king.

Bomber I feel... Is better than him, even though he has had bad results for the most part.

thirnaz

Sweden876 Posts

August 26 2011 15:07 GMT

#282

MVP forever and always

rigelq

United States230 Posts

August 26 2011 15:07 GMT

#283

The one. The only. SlayerS_Boxer

gentile

Switzerland594 Posts

August 26 2011 15:07 GMT

#284

BOXER is and WILL ALWAYs BE..stop the blasphemic shit..gg above me, same idea same time! you rock.

Seeker

Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts

August 26 2011 15:09 GMT

#285

On August 27 2011 00:07 rigelq wrote:
The one. The only. SlayerS_Boxer

You..... are...... my hero.........

Edit: But you know what? After BoxeR's SEXY MLG performance, I really want to see NaDa shine in Raleigh this time

aFganFlyTrap

Australia212 Posts

August 26 2011 15:10 GMT

#286

On July 26 2011 17:13 hyptonic wrote:
MVP and MarineKing have been in a bit of a slump recently but I'd still say they are at the top with Polt/Bomber/sC in a tier below them

so MVP crushing MLG and taking first place and MKP crushing sase 2-0 in the CPL china finals is a slump? i think you missed the boat by a month or 2 on their "slumps".

Roffles

Pitcairn19291 Posts

August 26 2011 15:11 GMT

#287

MVP always #1.

antilyon

Brazil2546 Posts

August 26 2011 15:12 GMT

#288

MVP is the best right now, but I wouldn't say the king.
There is too many terrans close to him, he needs to be unquestionably the right bet on a Bo3 in order to be the king.

intotheheart

Canada33091 Posts

August 26 2011 15:16 GMT

#289

As much as I love NaDa, his consistency is great but personally I don't think that his GSTL or his GSL accomplishments amount to being a Terran King yet. I mean he hasn't scored any AKs and he hasn't gone closer than Ro4 in the GSL.

wklbishop

United States1286 Posts

August 26 2011 15:16 GMT

#290

On August 27 2011 00:10 aFganFlyTrap wrote:

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so MVP crushing MLG and taking first place and MKP crushing sase 2-0 in the CPL china finals is a slump? i think you missed the boat by a month or 2 on their "slumps".

LOOOOOOOL. I loved your last sentence about how he missed the boat by a month because he posted it a month ago.

corpsepose

1678 Posts

August 26 2011 15:20 GMT

#291

as out of hand as my mvp fanboyism is, its pretty hard to call him the outright king of terran atm since bomber, puma, mma, etc. are all so ridiculously good and code A/S are both obscenely stacked with mostly great terran players. i'd call mvp the best terran overall, but he isnt far enough ahead of his peers to comfortably claim the title of 'king' in the same way that nestea reigns over the zerg race, or to a lesser extent, mc for protoss.

Sith Inquisitor

Germany113 Posts

August 26 2011 16:19 GMT

#292

Brain: MVP
Heart: MKP

Chaosvuistje

Netherlands2581 Posts

August 26 2011 16:22 GMT

#293

There are hundreds of terran kings, the question is, who is the terran god? ( seriously top tier terrans are so far ahead of the curve, props to them )

rareh

Portugal298 Posts

August 26 2011 16:30 GMT

#294

On August 27 2011 01:22 Chaosvuistje wrote:
There are hundreds of terran kings, the question is, who is the terran god? ( seriously top tier terrans are so far ahead of the curve, props to them )

ye there are so many good terrans.

While other races only have maybe 2(nestea and puzzle, others are very inconsistent ) max top players.

Sucks cause when when they slump they call terran imba :< and since no one else is any good, terran is nerfed.

Horse...falcon

United States1851 Posts

August 26 2011 16:33 GMT

#295

On August 27 2011 00:16 wklbishop wrote:

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LOOOOOOOL. I loved your last sentence about how he missed the boat by a month because he posted it a month ago.

Rofl, ouch. Nice one.

Xayvier

United States387 Posts

August 26 2011 16:35 GMT

#296

The thing is bomber has such crazy winrates and I'm just waiting for him to win a gsl!

Dakkas

2550 Posts

August 26 2011 16:39 GMT

#297

On August 27 2011 01:35 mrKamiya wrote:
The thing is bomber has such crazy winrates and I'm just waiting for him to win a gsl!

Bomber has the skills to be number one but he chokes too often

nath

United States1788 Posts

August 26 2011 16:49 GMT

#298

On July 26 2011 17:54 Kraznaya wrote:

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On July 26 2011 17:50 Itsmedudeman wrote:

On July 26 2011 17:45 Kraznaya wrote:

On July 26 2011 17:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:

On July 26 2011 17:32 Kraznaya wrote:

On July 26 2011 17:25 Fionn wrote:
There is no king. If Poltimus had gotten through Bomber and then beaten Byun, the throne would be his. MVP had the throne for a long time, but he's been slumping in the GSL/GSTL for a while. Bomber had his chance to take it by winning the tournament and beating Nestea, but he blew a 2-0 lead in the quarterfinals. SC hasn't won any titles. Nada is very consistent, but has never even been to a finals. MarineKing is slumping hard at the moment. Byun got 3-0'd in his only semifinals. Puma is a weird case; he won NASL, but he's never even qualified for Code A. He beat MKP and Poltimus in the GSTL, but he' still needs to get into the GSL or rack up a ton more foreign titles against top players.

Right now, I would probably say, with the closest chance of taking over the throne:

1) Bomber
2) Poltimus
3) MVP
4) MarineKing
5) Puma
6) Nada
7) MMA
8) Byun
9) SC

What has Bomber done to justify winning the #1 ranking? Sure, he's taken games off all of the rest of them, but he's never actually strung together a respectable run... the closest he got was at Dreamhack and he got stopped by Moon of all people.

(And don't claim the Code A crown over MVP as some kind of championship, the match was basically meaningless in terms of Code S qualification and in terms of GSL rankings, even the champion of Code A is only equal with the bottom rung of Code S.)

He's done more than taken games... he's beaten them in series. Name one other person in the world who has beaten MVP and MC. Code A is a respectable tournament and Bomber had to go through players who were considered to have top 5 TvTs in the world and he did it VERY convincingly while I think Polt's 4-0 games were less convincing because they were essentially won off of preparation and build orders for 2 of those games.

That would be all well and good... except the Code A championship was literally meaningless (it didn't even have the free slot to Code S back then), and Polt's win was for 100,000 dollars. Quality preparation for BoX series is very important when assessing player quality... just compare the repetoire of LeeSsang to Sea or Leta. Pretty sure I'd rather take Polt's win when assessing players. As for players who have beaten MC in series recently, there's quite a few, including Puma, Losira, HongUn and MKP... (MVP hasn't done well enough in GSL groups to really have a long list of Code S quality players playing him in series).

In terms of raw skill level Bomber is better than Polt, and sometimes the amount of prize money just doesn't matter when assessing that. Bomber did have to go through Nestea in the ro32 after all. Anyone else out of the 64 players and he could have made it much deeper. Sometimes you just get unlucky with your draw. Also, my point wasn't that he's capable of an upset over top 5 players, but that he can consistently beat them and is even favored to at this point.

How do you judge raw skill besides hard results? Sure Bomber ran into Nestea in the Ro32... but Nestea lost to TOP, who lost to Polt... and yet Bomber's better than them both in terms of raw skill? Sure, Bomber has shown impressive TvT games, but we're talking about the Terran king, not the King of TvT. Bomber doesn't match up to the top tier of Terrans in terms of his results, which is the only objective way to compare players, and therefore he has no claim to the crown until he does.

No.