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Keep the mindless hate from this thread. A well argued post is fine, frothing-at-the-mouth hate is not.
yoplate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States332 Posts
July 09 2011 05:42 GMT
#141
Since day 1 I have wanted the NASL to be amazing. Throughout the 2 months of the actual season, I have seen some great games, but the league has not fixed many of its errors. Sound problems have been present throughout the entire season (especially the right/left problem which makes me feel like one ear has gone deaf). The cameras are poorly placed and the quality is poor. I am complaining so much about this because this looks like a high school presentation in comparison to other tournaments such as the homestory cup and the TSL 3.

I still have hope for the NASL because these problems are not terminal, and can be remedied. I feel that if the NASL has sort of botched season 1, but if it can get its act together for season 2, it will be a successful league.
StarcraftChicago
Profile Joined June 2011
United States51 Posts
July 09 2011 06:03 GMT
#142
Things I learned today.

1. My speakers are on the wrong side.
1a. Speakers / OS modifications don't always fix audio.
2. Take breaks between series (like go to McDonald's)
3. VODs are made so I don't have to stay up so late.
4. Don't let uninformed females do interviews with progamers.
www.StarcraftChicago.com
Mairu
Profile Joined August 2010
United States222 Posts
July 09 2011 06:11 GMT
#143
I hope when you were talking to Russalo about NASL's issues you mentioned the audio. Even by the end of the night the caster volume differences was so drastic. Before Tastless & Artosis switched seats, Artosis was very loud compared to Tasteless. Then, after they switched, it was the other way around. During most of the interviews it was very hard to hear either the interview, the player, or the translator as well. Hopefully tomorrow will be better, but considering NASL has had a history of audio issues throughout the season I am not terribly optimistic.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
July 09 2011 06:17 GMT
#144
On July 09 2011 12:47 NexCa wrote:
impressive play by DarkForce, unlucky that i have to face him in WCG Qualifier next ;/

:D


Just give him what he wants:



And you guys can work on a agreement! :D
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
price
Profile Joined December 2010
United States297 Posts
July 09 2011 06:18 GMT
#145
wow this is really cool. i hope to see some great games (and i'm sure i will!)
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
PhaseTwo
Profile Joined November 2010
United States118 Posts
July 09 2011 06:23 GMT
#146
The audio quality is still shit, hopefully they will fix it before saturday's games. The booths look crappy, the interviewers mic is quiet and the pregame video clips and breaks in between series are crazy long. I enjoyed the casting tho, like always tastosis is great and incontroll has some new jokes. I'd really like to see season 2 finals be perfect from second 1 of the broadcast to the very end.
best dr pepper drinkin, kush smokin, gsl watchin diamond nerd baller brotoss ever
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
July 09 2011 06:23 GMT
#147
Suggestions:

1) Double elimination format. It's simply a waste of time to have players fly over and half of them get eliminated in the first round.
2) Less time between games and matches. 8 matches should not have taken 13.5 hours.
3) Less awkward attempts at humor. It's great if you're actually funny, but there were many times I had to mute the stream out of sheer embarrassment.
4) Sound tech. It's been a huge issue the entire season actually.

Otherwise it was certainly watchable and I don't know why every was flipping out. Although I may have felt differently if I had paid for this content, but I knew from day 1 NASL not to pay for this so.
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
July 09 2011 06:28 GMT
#148
On July 09 2011 15:23 Ocedic wrote:
Suggestions:

1) Double elimination format. It's simply a waste of time to have players fly over and half of them get eliminated in the first round.
2) Less time between games and matches. 8 matches should not have taken 13.5 hours.
3) Less awkward attempts at humor. It's great if you're actually funny, but there were many times I had to mute the stream out of sheer embarrassment.
4) Sound tech. It's been a huge issue the entire season actually.

Otherwise it was certainly watchable and I don't know why every was flipping out. Although I may have felt differently if I had paid for this content, but I knew from day 1 NASL not to pay for this so.


I completely agree with you. Double Elim should be implemented immediately.
Dear Sixsmith...
Artisane
Profile Joined April 2011
United States134 Posts
July 09 2011 06:41 GMT
#149
At least you people at home got to see the matches. The inhouse projectors were screwed up the whole event. All of them were oversized for the screens. The left one was missing the mini map and the food count. The middle was was stretched way too vertically so you couldn't see the bottom bar or the food count and it was so blurry that most of us got headaches from watching it. There was also a quick fix cable blocking the view partially. The right was was off center and had wires and scafolding blocking half of it. They partially fixed it after the long break halfway through, but this caused the recording machine to NOT be the casters, so the casters were forced to watch Duran's cam while they couldn't move anything. That's why there were numerous calls for the Obs to look at something specific. After the "Fix" you could partially see the food count on the left side, the mid was still totally out of focus, but at least you could see the bottom of the screen. The top of the mid was still too high so you're missing the top 20% of the screen. The right screen was overlapping the mid screen after this fix. Not once tonight were you able to see food counts or even production tabs.

To all those at home in your comfy chairs, sound issues I could deal with, but paying $25 for a ticket, plus parking, food and travel to miss the game? You guys can stuff it.

I certainly hope they can correct both the sound issues AND the inhouse projector. It seemed that none of the remotes they had for the projectors worked, so you'd have to manually adjust them. Yes, I understand they had to make a projector swap which probably cause tons of issues, but it was very unpleasant to watch it sitting there.
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2594 Posts
July 09 2011 06:45 GMT
#150
I had to come to work this morning, so I couldn't stay up all night to watch the games. I'm really sad to come on here and see that there were so many technical problems.

And of course now I'm frustrated yet again by the fact that I'm not even going to be able to see the games for a few days, since it takes NASL so long to upload VODs.

I am an unhappy umlaut .
The frumious Bandersnatch
orbitaga
Profile Joined March 2011
Greece1 Post
July 09 2011 06:52 GMT
#151
-Sound was really awful, unbalanced and pretty low
-Those intermissions, the 10 minutes ones and the 1 hour breaks were slowing down the pace of the tournament.I m in Europe and i started watching at 21:00 o clock and the last game (boxer vs Mc finished at 09:00 am.Brutal.....
-Single elimination is so bad, for the reasons stated in the above post.
-The casters (exception the day9 dude) werent giving the passion and the excitement needed.
-Poor lighting for the casters area, also the black curtins behind them didnt help, felt like cheap and i know that this tournament didnt cost cheap.The gear/equipment is there but the coordination lacks (closed mics, bad sound etc)

I followed NASL, i watched the games and i believe it is a descent effort, i m not condemning anything, the guys worked their asses, but the whole production even though it is not cheap, it felt like it.

I know production people are not dumb and they are not waiting for us to pinpoint their mistakes, they know them from the first minute they occur, but i sincerely hope they fix the things needed to be fixed.
NeWeNiyaLord
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
July 09 2011 07:13 GMT
#152
Seems like Xeris knows all about all the issues! which is great, Now day 2 will go alot better !
This is where we begin. Show your true self, Battosai.
DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
July 09 2011 07:28 GMT
#153
Love those pictures, more please for day 2
How devious | http://anartisticanswer.blogspot.com.au/
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
July 09 2011 07:43 GMT
#154
On July 09 2011 16:28 DisaFear wrote:
Love those pictures, more please for day 2


Your wish is my command.
Thank God and gunrun.
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
July 09 2011 07:50 GMT
#155
You guys should check Reddit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/

Pretty funny :D

NASL started really bad and I don't care if season 2 is going to be better. When I'm paying my ticket I am not making an investment in NASL but I'm buying a product/service from them that i want NOW.

I feel really sorry for all the players that went there, and for the image of ESPORTs.

And so that you guys understand. Even after they fix everything, things doesn't matter. All of the issues that everyone complained about are STANDARDS in any other tournament. I will not get all enthusiastic and go : "Yeeee, I have sound, I am so happy". We want ESports to grow.


Glad we have NASL, now we can really appreciate all other tournaments.

I hope I'm not getting banned for saying my opinion. I am a client after all, and feedback is part of any company.

Mess with the best, die like the rest.
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1432 Posts
July 09 2011 09:17 GMT
#156
Don't really get the reasoning behind grand finals ro16 being bo3, since It's single elimination and they have 3 day to play trough tournament. How can Dreamhack menage to get group play (with more players) and start bo5-s since ro8. Not to mention Homestory cup witch had groups, double elim and more players.

Kinda sucks that you have to play for 2 months, get to grand finals and be out in first round by bo3. Hopefully ro8 will be bo5.

This especially makes me angry since incontroll (who is till there for s1) seems to be ok with that format, since he's always been huge on criticising bo3 and single elim on SOTG.

Pisses me off hell more than 1 h delay.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
Alicy
Profile Joined July 2011
Finland1 Post
July 09 2011 09:19 GMT
#157
Here is nice example:
I go to Cinema and pay 12€ for it, Movie should start at 16:00 and end 17:30.
Well I go in and find out, that the voice is only coming from the other side of the theater.
Some part of the movie screen were misssing and the movie ends 19:30.

And some guy comes and says to me: "If you don't like it, dont watch it."


It's important to give feedback. Mostly complains here are legit and for a good reason.
There is no shame for expecting a professional and well organized/planed material.
When the feedbacks are bad they need (or atleast should) improve.

If nothing else, atleast they know, they should be doing better.
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6267 Posts
July 09 2011 09:22 GMT
#158
On July 09 2011 15:23 Ocedic wrote:
Suggestions:

1) Double elimination format. It's simply a waste of time to have players fly over and half of them get eliminated in the first round.
2) Less time between games and matches. 8 matches should not have taken 13.5 hours.
3) Less awkward attempts at humor. It's great if you're actually funny, but there were many times I had to mute the stream out of sheer embarrassment.
4) Sound tech. It's been a huge issue the entire season actually.

Otherwise it was certainly watchable and I don't know why every was flipping out. Although I may have felt differently if I had paid for this content, but I knew from day 1 NASL not to pay for this so.

I disagree with the double elimination, but it would've been better if the games were bo5.
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 09:50:17
July 09 2011 09:48 GMT
#159
Something I have learned by all of this:

An ad is not always an ad, if you choose to call it a sponsor.

I am not young enough to know everything.
krisss
Profile Joined November 2010
Luxembourg305 Posts
July 09 2011 10:02 GMT
#160
There is no love.
In my opinion this event is a bad example of some company trying to make money with growing esports. The love, the passion every gamer is talking about is just gone. No starcraft signs, no creativity with the booths.. This looks like they took the cheapest/biggest room they could get, bought the cheapest booths /all black, they could get, then did a cheap banner on their desk.. and lets go.

The only thing that brought some love back were the guys who werent involved during the whole season, day9, tasteless and artosis. Those 3 gave some passion back, unfortunately they are stuck with a modern production company, mainly focussing on making money.

Next season give the 100.000$ to TaKe, he will show you how to bring passion to a tournament.

Either this format of NASL changes drastically, or they lost me as customer.
life is like fighting a dinosaur.. it's pretty hard.
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