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Keep the mindless hate from this thread. A well argued post is fine, frothing-at-the-mouth hate is not.
drgonzhere
Profile Joined November 2010
United States447 Posts
July 08 2011 23:18 GMT
#81
Are there ever going to be different maps?
Dictator for Life of the PuMa Fanclub/ DRG, PuMA, Sage, Puzzle, MMA Fighting!
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
July 08 2011 23:18 GMT
#82
On July 09 2011 08:00 mustache wrote:
seriously don't know what everyone is complaining about. sound issues aren't really much of a problem, and the volume has been fixed for a long time now. The free stream runs perfectly, no lag at all and look pretty decent as well.
The cameras aren't amazing, but if you're seriously pissed off at what happens between games then i think you may be watching for the wrong reasons.
The player intros are a bit long, but well made, and it's not like other tournaments go from game to game immediately, at least we have a interesting video to watch instead of just people talking for 10 minutes or random shots of the crowd.
Honestly the only thing that actually detracts from the the experience is
a) the delay at the beggining
b) get artosis to do the interviews
c) obs could be better, perfectly watchable as it is already thougj

All in all im getting what i expected. Good games, good casters, am some ramshackle stuff in between. Perfect? no. Does it warrant all this complaining? Absolutely not.

If you feel it's not worth you money that's fine, but so are lots of other things, crappy movies you watch in the cinema etc. It's really only 10 bucks, and at the end of the day you're still getting great games over 3 days. It's a steal really


Bro, this is the internets. Do you expect level-headed criticisms or non-exaggerated claims?

People will shit over anything the minute they get a chance. The NASL has been a frequent target, and despite all of the good parts of the show, the vocal detractors will always, always, always try to make sure their voice is heard.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
-KarakStarcraft-
Profile Joined September 2010
United States258 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-08 23:22:44
July 08 2011 23:21 GMT
#83
On July 09 2011 08:18 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 08:00 mustache wrote:
seriously don't know what everyone is complaining about. sound issues aren't really much of a problem, and the volume has been fixed for a long time now. The free stream runs perfectly, no lag at all and look pretty decent as well.
The cameras aren't amazing, but if you're seriously pissed off at what happens between games then i think you may be watching for the wrong reasons.
The player intros are a bit long, but well made, and it's not like other tournaments go from game to game immediately, at least we have a interesting video to watch instead of just people talking for 10 minutes or random shots of the crowd.
Honestly the only thing that actually detracts from the the experience is
a) the delay at the beggining
b) get artosis to do the interviews
c) obs could be better, perfectly watchable as it is already thougj

All in all im getting what i expected. Good games, good casters, am some ramshackle stuff in between. Perfect? no. Does it warrant all this complaining? Absolutely not.

If you feel it's not worth you money that's fine, but so are lots of other things, crappy movies you watch in the cinema etc. It's really only 10 bucks, and at the end of the day you're still getting great games over 3 days. It's a steal really


Bro, this is the internets. Do you expect level-headed criticisms or non-exaggerated claims?

People will shit over anything the minute they get a chance. The NASL has been a frequent target, and despite all of the good parts of the show, the vocal detractors will always, always, always try to make sure their voice is heard.


This isn't really fair. I'm one who usually gets annoyed at people who just hate to hate, but the criticisms here are pretty damn legit. There's really no way anyone can argue any other way. People saying "this stuff is really hard": yeah, of course it's hard. That's why we hire professionals to do it and pay 25 dollars to watch the streams + are a targeted customer base for sponsors. Putting on fireworks shows is hard too, but plenty of people do it.

I know people want NASL to succeed really bad, but don't let yourself be blinded to very legitimate criticisms they need to hear. I mean some of the stuff that happened today aren't just "bumps in the road;" they are baffling errors in judgment. As such, it's important for the community to voice their concerns, criticisms and suggestions.
mustache
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland309 Posts
July 08 2011 23:35 GMT
#84
yes critisism is legitimate. But there were people complaining that sound was only coming out of the right speaker. seriously? you can't enjoy the games because of that?

I think we can all agree it's not the best production, it's far from it. But it DOES offer what people actually want to see. good games.

And 25 bucks? that's 2 lunchs for me, one night out at the movies, entry to a club + one drink etc etc.

either one of those are enjoyed for less time. As long as the games are running you're getting what you payed for.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-08 23:39:52
July 08 2011 23:38 GMT
#85
On July 09 2011 08:21 Karak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 08:18 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On July 09 2011 08:00 mustache wrote:
seriously don't know what everyone is complaining about. sound issues aren't really much of a problem, and the volume has been fixed for a long time now. The free stream runs perfectly, no lag at all and look pretty decent as well.
The cameras aren't amazing, but if you're seriously pissed off at what happens between games then i think you may be watching for the wrong reasons.
The player intros are a bit long, but well made, and it's not like other tournaments go from game to game immediately, at least we have a interesting video to watch instead of just people talking for 10 minutes or random shots of the crowd.
Honestly the only thing that actually detracts from the the experience is
a) the delay at the beggining
b) get artosis to do the interviews
c) obs could be better, perfectly watchable as it is already thougj

All in all im getting what i expected. Good games, good casters, am some ramshackle stuff in between. Perfect? no. Does it warrant all this complaining? Absolutely not.

If you feel it's not worth you money that's fine, but so are lots of other things, crappy movies you watch in the cinema etc. It's really only 10 bucks, and at the end of the day you're still getting great games over 3 days. It's a steal really


Bro, this is the internets. Do you expect level-headed criticisms or non-exaggerated claims?

People will shit over anything the minute they get a chance. The NASL has been a frequent target, and despite all of the good parts of the show, the vocal detractors will always, always, always try to make sure their voice is heard.


This isn't really fair. I'm one who usually gets annoyed at people who just hate to hate, but the criticisms here are pretty damn legit. There's really no way anyone can argue any other way. People saying "this stuff is really hard": yeah, of course it's hard. That's why we hire professionals to do it and pay 25 dollars to watch the streams + are a targeted customer base for sponsors. Putting on fireworks shows is hard too, but plenty of people do it.

I know people want NASL to succeed really bad, but don't let yourself be blinded to very legitimate criticisms they need to hear. I mean some of the stuff that happened today aren't just "bumps in the road;" they are baffling errors in judgment.


Bitching about things that are really, really obvious serves no purpose. Oh, it started late because a projector ended up dying or whatever. What do you want from them at that point? They tested for hours with no problems, then there was one. Oops.

My favorite complaint that I've read a thousand times today is about the 1-channel. Is it silly? Yes. Does it honestly make the event bad at all? I turned up my speakers a little bit, problem solved. The only kind of criticism that is really useful in my opinion are the non-as-obvious stuff or people's personal opinions on setting, structure, etc.

Complaining about obvious shit that has to be fixed is just that; complaining.

edit: lol beaten
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Onox
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1072 Posts
July 08 2011 23:39 GMT
#86
I just tuned in and so far it seems great, other than the fact it sounds like there's no sound in my left headphone.
Nazeron
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1046 Posts
July 08 2011 23:52 GMT
#87
good pics, wish i was there
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 08 2011 23:55 GMT
#88
I just tuned in for a bit now between my work and it's not that bad.
True, I expected better quality, but I'm not exactly getting bothered or bummed about the whole. Just annoyed that I couldn't be there ):
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
thebteam
Profile Joined January 2011
United States95 Posts
July 08 2011 23:57 GMT
#89
lmao, that Sen picture is funny.
Turbo.Tactics
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany675 Posts
July 09 2011 00:00 GMT
#90
The sound is really strange some times in between matches and even in the matches because Gretorp and Sean cast in 2 different volumes. It's nothing huge but a bit annoying because I have to constantly balance the sound issues. That small thing aside it's pretty epic so far. Loved the korean interviews especially Moons "I wanted more Banelings than July!"
Zerg - because Browders sons hate 'em
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 00:08:50
July 09 2011 00:07 GMT
#91
I've been trying to keep away from posting any negativity but it's just getting to much to handle. My biggest complaint is that this is a 3 day tournament where they can't even fit in Bo5 for a single elim bracket. There just isn't enough ACTUAL gameplay. The most logical thing would have been to make it Bo5 or bo3 with double elim. Instead they go neither and have this massive "void" of content constantly. It just seems odd. It's not like they don't have enough time to medium where competition is most fair but they just choose not to?


latan
Profile Joined July 2010
740 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 00:09:45
July 09 2011 00:09 GMT
#92
On July 09 2011 07:26 Hardigan wrote:


They fixed the observing and the audio is much better then at the beginning (still too low). The player cam is perfect (looks like they are telling a ghost story because its so dark in there) and they are constanty improving. Please come down from the high horse


But that's even worse because "They" didn't fix anything someone from outside of the league had to step up and do it for them.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
July 09 2011 00:12 GMT
#93
A one hour break?

Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 00:16:17
July 09 2011 00:16 GMT
#94
Ah well, sound can be improved. Camera a lot better in the later games.
Maybe dress up the casters area a bit with some starcraft posters / logo's whatever, instead of a dull black curtain. All minor stuff, the games are fun, the casting is good.

1 thing though: What I found very weird was that July actually seemed to be able to see the casters while playing?
So when Day9 is enthousiast because someone is taking a sneaky expo or preparing a drop the players can see him and know something is up? That's pretty bad
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
Razor1913
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4 Posts
July 09 2011 00:27 GMT
#95
On July 09 2011 08:38 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 08:21 Karak wrote:
On July 09 2011 08:18 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On July 09 2011 08:00 mustache wrote:
seriously don't know what everyone is complaining about. sound issues aren't really much of a problem, and the volume has been fixed for a long time now. The free stream runs perfectly, no lag at all and look pretty decent as well.
The cameras aren't amazing, but if you're seriously pissed off at what happens between games then i think you may be watching for the wrong reasons.
The player intros are a bit long, but well made, and it's not like other tournaments go from game to game immediately, at least we have a interesting video to watch instead of just people talking for 10 minutes or random shots of the crowd.
Honestly the only thing that actually detracts from the the experience is
a) the delay at the beggining
b) get artosis to do the interviews
c) obs could be better, perfectly watchable as it is already thougj

All in all im getting what i expected. Good games, good casters, am some ramshackle stuff in between. Perfect? no. Does it warrant all this complaining? Absolutely not.

If you feel it's not worth you money that's fine, but so are lots of other things, crappy movies you watch in the cinema etc. It's really only 10 bucks, and at the end of the day you're still getting great games over 3 days. It's a steal really


Bro, this is the internets. Do you expect level-headed criticisms or non-exaggerated claims?

People will shit over anything the minute they get a chance. The NASL has been a frequent target, and despite all of the good parts of the show, the vocal detractors will always, always, always try to make sure their voice is heard.


This isn't really fair. I'm one who usually gets annoyed at people who just hate to hate, but the criticisms here are pretty damn legit. There's really no way anyone can argue any other way. People saying "this stuff is really hard": yeah, of course it's hard. That's why we hire professionals to do it and pay 25 dollars to watch the streams + are a targeted customer base for sponsors. Putting on fireworks shows is hard too, but plenty of people do it.

I know people want NASL to succeed really bad, but don't let yourself be blinded to very legitimate criticisms they need to hear. I mean some of the stuff that happened today aren't just "bumps in the road;" they are baffling errors in judgment.


Bitching about things that are really, really obvious serves no purpose. Oh, it started late because a projector ended up dying or whatever. What do you want from them at that point? They tested for hours with no problems, then there was one. Oops.

My favorite complaint that I've read a thousand times today is about the 1-channel. Is it silly? Yes. Does it honestly make the event bad at all? I turned up my speakers a little bit, problem solved. The only kind of criticism that is really useful in my opinion are the non-as-obvious stuff or people's personal opinions on setting, structure, etc.

Complaining about obvious shit that has to be fixed is just that; complaining.

edit: lol beaten


I have a hard time believing they tested for hours, given the quality of the audio and the camera setup. A lot of their problems seem to come from poor planning and even worse execution. There is a distinct lack of professionalism with the nasl, and it has become painfully obvious from watching the finals.
Sina92
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1303 Posts
July 09 2011 00:27 GMT
#96
nasl rly making their sponsors look bad
My penis is 15 inches long, I'm a Harvard professor and look better than Brad Pitt and Jake Gyllenhaal combined.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
July 09 2011 00:28 GMT
#97
On July 09 2011 09:27 Sina92 wrote:
nasl rly making their sponsors look bad

Well, good thing they have no sponsor then =)
SC2Epic
Profile Joined June 2011
United States25 Posts
July 09 2011 00:31 GMT
#98
There were some problems with streaming and everything else obviously, but I still admire NASL for sticking to it and getting these problems fixed. They are a young tournament and improvement is much needed. I hope these issues don't come up again in the future and I also hope that the Koreans don't take the entire thing ;P
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 00:32:32
July 09 2011 00:31 GMT
#99
NASL always has this feel of unfinished product, like they're not planning enough and just not thinking enough beforehand. I don't hate nasl, I'm still watching, but even when they have the best casters, players, venue, they still manage to put stupid rules like xelnaga crossfire as forced maps for the whole round of 16, which makes all games feel the same and makes the whole thing boring. Tastosis has still not casted one game, the show runs for more than 6 hours and we saw 8 games and are on a one hour break, which with the intros will make exactly 8 games in 8 hours.

Poor MC and Boxer who will be playing like one full workday (12 hours) after the show start, I really hope they're sleeping right now because after a 12+ hour flight, they won't be very fresh....

They're still fixing a lot of things and I guess they'll get some feedback and fix the stuff left during the break. Days 2 and 3 will be way better I think.
SxEdge
Profile Joined June 2011
United States22 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-09 02:10:09
July 09 2011 00:34 GMT
#100
Anyone else watching in 360p look like they're watching a elementary school play or something? The lighting isn't the best.
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