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InvalidID
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1050 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-08 05:29:29
July 08 2011 05:29 GMT
#21
PvP is a terrible match-up in short series, but a great match-up with long series. The 10 games played between Huk and Naniwa at dreamhack really demonstrated it for me. You can get a huge advantage from a BO choice, but you can still overcome it with micro. The games are always sharp as a razors edge. A metagame in the matchup evolves between the two players blind picking strategies based trying to predict their opponents play.
KiF1rE
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States964 Posts
July 08 2011 05:31 GMT
#22
On July 08 2011 14:09 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2011 14:03 Olinim wrote:
If PvP is a coinflip or just as good as rock paper scissors how do MC and Inca have 80 percent win rates? Really lucky?


Even rock papper scissors has pros...


there is currently a rock paper scissors AI programming tournament being put on by microsoft lol.... 1st is 5grand....http://www.rockpaperazure.com/

and yet in the practice rounds and stuff, people have insane win ratios... =/ like 125-5.... so even if SC2 PVP is rock paper scissors someone good with patterns and predictions, will still win a good deal of the time. but rock paper scissors takes some skill apparently...
Elean
Profile Joined October 2010
689 Posts
July 08 2011 05:32 GMT
#23
On July 08 2011 14:03 Olinim wrote:
If PvP is a coinflip or just as good as rock paper scissors how do MC and Inca have 80 percent win rates? Really lucky?

Because of course what matters is to have the bigger rock.
Halcyondaze
Profile Joined January 2011
United States509 Posts
July 08 2011 07:11 GMT
#24
I completely agree. PvP at a high level is RPS. Its a joke. And if you dont want to RPS, you can just 4gate you're way to a 50%+ winrate. Which is a joke too.
Halcyondaze
Profile Joined January 2011
United States509 Posts
July 08 2011 07:12 GMT
#25
On July 08 2011 14:29 InvalidID wrote:
PvP is a terrible match-up in short series, but a great match-up with long series. The 10 games played between Huk and Naniwa at dreamhack really demonstrated it for me. You can get a huge advantage from a BO choice, but you can still overcome it with micro. The games are always sharp as a razors edge. A metagame in the matchup evolves between the two players blind picking strategies based trying to predict their opponents play.


It may be great to watch in a long series. But trust me it isn't great to play. Its true RPS with micro then
Darclite
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1021 Posts
July 08 2011 07:19 GMT
#26
lol The OP was hilarious.

But regarding Choya getting in trouble with Blizzard, isn't it their fault for making the matchup a 7 minute game of RPS instead of a 7 second game?
They're fools. You should eat them.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10383 Posts
July 08 2011 07:22 GMT
#27
Haha he said you were up 1?

Basically he probably wouldn't have said first to "two" (whatever that can mean) if he won the first one xD

GG lol

Don't post this on bnet forums or they might warn/ban you for abusing ladder! xD
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
July 08 2011 07:25 GMT
#28
This thread looks like something created 3 months ago so much that I had to check whether it said "old post" anywhere.

PvP is fine, just learn to play it like you learned any other matchup. It's doable, it's not a coinflip, it doesn't have to be one base, there are many viable builds. You have no rational reason to hate it. It's just that it got so much negative propaganda in the past and people are still echoing that and fearing the matchup. -_-
johanngrunt
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Hong Kong1555 Posts
July 08 2011 07:25 GMT
#29
Well if you play me, you'd win =) Pvp is hard!
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
July 08 2011 07:30 GMT
#30
Scissors OP. =(
Halcyondaze
Profile Joined January 2011
United States509 Posts
July 08 2011 08:13 GMT
#31
On July 08 2011 16:25 Talin wrote:
This thread looks like something created 3 months ago so much that I had to check whether it said "old post" anywhere.

PvP is fine, just learn to play it like you learned any other matchup. It's doable, it's not a coinflip, it doesn't have to be one base, there are many viable builds. You have no rational reason to hate it. It's just that it got so much negative propaganda in the past and people are still echoing that and fearing the matchup. -_-


The majority of the high level scene would disagree with you.
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
July 08 2011 08:17 GMT
#32
pvp is the new zvz.
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
July 08 2011 08:22 GMT
#33
On July 08 2011 17:17 29 fps wrote:
pvp is the new zvz.


lol.

Cella used to do this all the time in ZvZ.
Jayrod
Profile Joined August 2010
1820 Posts
July 08 2011 08:35 GMT
#34
This is cute, but why not just learn to play PvP instead?
ElusoryX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Singapore2047 Posts
July 08 2011 08:39 GMT
#35
On July 08 2011 17:35 Jayrod wrote:
This is cute, but why not just learn to play PvP instead?

because you can't. PvP isn't like TvT... it's really all about build order wins or who gets the better end of the stick if you both go the same build.
xd
MonkSEA
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia1227 Posts
July 08 2011 08:45 GMT
#36
On July 08 2011 17:39 ElusoryX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2011 17:35 Jayrod wrote:
This is cute, but why not just learn to play PvP instead?

because you can't. PvP isn't like TvT... it's really all about build order wins or who gets the better end of the stick if you both go the same build.

aka skill.
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Seditary
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia7033 Posts
July 08 2011 08:47 GMT
#37
Why is the title Scissors Paper Rock?

Its backwards!
Love is more fun than hate.
Acnologia
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia410 Posts
July 08 2011 09:22 GMT
#38
i'm from australia, and everyone i know calls it scissors paper rock lol
♥
GMonster
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
686 Posts
July 08 2011 09:24 GMT
#39
this is has been going on in the Korean ladder since the beta. Usually its for Friends to not play each other i believe.
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Vapaach
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland994 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-08 09:26:44
July 08 2011 09:25 GMT
#40
Rock = robo
Paper = stargate
Scissors = twilight council

And then there is the 4-gate, which can beat all of these but also lose to all of these.

Just sayin'
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