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guitarizt
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1492 Posts
June 28 2011 08:55 GMT
#381
idk weren't there people saying they were in plat playing master level people?
“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.” - Hemingway
Valestrum
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States246 Posts
June 28 2011 09:00 GMT
#382
On June 28 2011 17:34 Pasado wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 12:04 Officedrone wrote:
On June 28 2011 11:25 Goldfish wrote:
Has anyone been promoted after receiving 0 points? Is MMR stuck too or just points?


You guys know that, regardless of what happens during ladder buggy-ness, they'll always say MMR isn't affected. Do you know why?

1) If points, promotions, and MMR were all affected, people would just stop playing the ladder en-masse. Not only does it look bad, but it would cause major problems with the match-making system giving a bad experience to potential new players or might cause existing players to not recommend it to friends.

2) We have no way of verifying.

Just like when the ladder was locked last time after they supposedly "fixed" it, so many people just assume what Blizzard is saying is correct and honest.


I agree with this guy.


I agree also, mind = blown.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The.Doctor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada333 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-28 09:51:30
June 28 2011 09:50 GMT
#383
Okay then mass TL poll: Has anyone ever gotten promoted after winning a game and receiving 0 pts?

Surely 1 player out of the thousands on TL was due for a promotion (or demotion).
The Boss.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
June 28 2011 10:03 GMT
#384
really confused when i get the first game against someone who's favored in about 2 weeks (previously i've not even had the other guy as much as slightly favoured), and then get +23 by 4 gating him. i check his record and it's his second placement match, him being 1-0 against someone else also in placement. why the hell would he ever be favored?
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
June 28 2011 10:10 GMT
#385
On June 28 2011 18:00 Valestrum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 17:34 Pasado wrote:
On June 28 2011 12:04 Officedrone wrote:
On June 28 2011 11:25 Goldfish wrote:
Has anyone been promoted after receiving 0 points? Is MMR stuck too or just points?


You guys know that, regardless of what happens during ladder buggy-ness, they'll always say MMR isn't affected. Do you know why?

1) If points, promotions, and MMR were all affected, people would just stop playing the ladder en-masse. Not only does it look bad, but it would cause major problems with the match-making system giving a bad experience to potential new players or might cause existing players to not recommend it to friends.

2) We have no way of verifying.

Just like when the ladder was locked last time after they supposedly "fixed" it, so many people just assume what Blizzard is saying is correct and honest.


I agree with this guy.


I agree also, mind = blown.

I tanked a bunch of games in a row last when it wasn't giving points to see if MMR was affected. All of my previous opponents for the last 20+ games were all highish Diamond. After tanking around 20-25 games I was being matched up vs. Platinum and even some Gold. In conclusion, MMR still seemed to be working properly, but I don't know about promotions/demotions.

Have they fixed the points problem yet?
$♥$
Imalengrat
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia365 Posts
June 28 2011 10:17 GMT
#386
system shutdown on North American server...maybe this mean Blizzard are trying to fix it right now. Yay.
Mass Motherships Counters Almost everything
Carush
Profile Joined June 2011
United States356 Posts
June 28 2011 10:20 GMT
#387
On June 28 2011 18:50 The.Doctor wrote:
Okay then mass TL poll: Has anyone ever gotten promoted after winning a game and receiving 0 pts?

Surely 1 player out of the thousands on TL was due for a promotion (or demotion).

on my new account i was promoted to masters without getting any points and i'm winning most of my games and i feel i'm getting harder and harder opponents so i think mmr is still working

http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/2900211/Crush
awol
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia79 Posts
June 28 2011 10:20 GMT
#388
Hopefully they will get a fix soon, it must be frustrating for them as well with the same ladder issues coming up over and over.
I ain't no superstar.
NeXiLe
Profile Joined February 2006
Canada262 Posts
June 28 2011 10:21 GMT
#389
I haven't even played a ladder game this season. Wonder if it'll place me oO
guitarizt
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1492 Posts
June 28 2011 10:23 GMT
#390
Bnet going down. Hopefully they worked out a fix. Has bnet been lagging for anyone tonight or just me?
“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.” - Hemingway
Officedrone
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada70 Posts
June 28 2011 10:24 GMT
#391
Nice to see some evidence, but the simple fact is we just don't know for sure that promotions and MMR are working properly for everyone.

Personally, I'm just going to wait it out until we get an official confirmation that everything is fixed.
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
June 28 2011 10:28 GMT
#392
On June 28 2011 19:24 Officedrone wrote:
Nice to see some evidence, but the simple fact is we just don't know for sure that promotions and MMR are working properly for everyone.



Why would they lie about this? I haven't seen any instances where they deliberately misrepresented bad news. Often, they announce stuff that many people don't even notice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
Executor1
Profile Joined April 2011
1353 Posts
June 28 2011 10:30 GMT
#393
Yea earlier today about 11 hours or so ago i was getting points, now im not getting any points for wins or losses, and it is showing someone favored all the time

Wierd though sounds like this was a problem a couple of days ago, but i was definitely getting points earlier today strange.
Carush
Profile Joined June 2011
United States356 Posts
June 28 2011 10:33 GMT
#394
On June 28 2011 19:24 Officedrone wrote:
Nice to see some evidence, but the simple fact is we just don't know for sure that promotions and MMR are working properly for everyone.

Personally, I'm just going to wait it out until we get an official confirmation that everything is fixed.

blizzard put out a message saying that mmr was still working...
Officedrone
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada70 Posts
June 28 2011 10:36 GMT
#395
On June 28 2011 19:28 Lysenko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 19:24 Officedrone wrote:
Nice to see some evidence, but the simple fact is we just don't know for sure that promotions and MMR are working properly for everyone.



Why would they lie about this? I haven't seen any instances where they deliberately misrepresented bad news. Often, they announce stuff that many people don't even notice.



I'll point you to the "stealth lock" earlier this month that was causing a lot of people to not be promoted.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=233783

No official word was ever given. Only way we knew about it was because Excal consulted the powers that be and got back to us. They then only replied to a random thread on the EU forum saying it was fixed.

They have a business to protect....I'm sure they don't like to admit their inability to maintain a relatively simple ladder system given how much money and expertise they have.
alepov
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands1132 Posts
June 28 2011 10:38 GMT
#396
On June 28 2011 17:55 guitarizt wrote:
idk weren't there people saying they were in plat playing master level people?

so? that's completely possible. you get promoted by moving average not by absolute difference between your league and your mmr.
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-28 10:57:09
June 28 2011 10:56 GMT
#397
On June 28 2011 19:36 Officedrone wrote:
No official word was ever given. Only way we knew about it was because Excal consulted the powers that be and got back to us. They then only replied to a random thread on the EU forum saying it was fixed.


They often don't respond on certain issues, but they've never, to my knowledge, intentionally stated something false. Totally different thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
guitarizt
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1492 Posts
June 28 2011 11:31 GMT
#398
Ladder back and giving points.
“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.” - Hemingway
Shaetan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1175 Posts
June 28 2011 11:57 GMT
#399
On June 28 2011 19:10 Devolved wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 18:00 Valestrum wrote:
On June 28 2011 17:34 Pasado wrote:
On June 28 2011 12:04 Officedrone wrote:
On June 28 2011 11:25 Goldfish wrote:
Has anyone been promoted after receiving 0 points? Is MMR stuck too or just points?


You guys know that, regardless of what happens during ladder buggy-ness, they'll always say MMR isn't affected. Do you know why?

1) If points, promotions, and MMR were all affected, people would just stop playing the ladder en-masse. Not only does it look bad, but it would cause major problems with the match-making system giving a bad experience to potential new players or might cause existing players to not recommend it to friends.

2) We have no way of verifying.

Just like when the ladder was locked last time after they supposedly "fixed" it, so many people just assume what Blizzard is saying is correct and honest.


I agree with this guy.


I agree also, mind = blown.

I tanked a bunch of games in a row last when it wasn't giving points to see if MMR was affected. All of my previous opponents for the last 20+ games were all highish Diamond. After tanking around 20-25 games I was being matched up vs. Platinum and even some Gold. In conclusion, MMR still seemed to be working properly, but I don't know about promotions/demotions.

Have they fixed the points problem yet?


Shoulda won a bunch of games in a row instead :-p now you have a long path in ahead of you!
My Casts: www.youtube.com/Shaetan
guitarizt
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1492 Posts
June 28 2011 13:00 GMT
#400
Is anyone else lagging this morning? I'm getting insane stuttering/lag, nothing else is using the internet, and I even restarted my pc. I was playing totally fine the past two days until the past 6 hours or so and it has gotten worse since they fixed ladder.
“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.” - Hemingway
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