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On June 21 2011 10:03 Kaxon wrote:Show nested quote +
Btw desrow, I won't put Huk as captain, because he never played for oGs in the past GSTL...
As far as I understand, the only thing that's special about the captain is that you can't trade him... and since Huk is only one point, you can't trade him anyway (since there are no 0 point players).
I believe huk to be better than most terrans/all the zergs on oGs and better than inca
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Best Team Ever.
Main Team
1  IMHappy
9 MVP (captain)
8  NesTea
1  Ready
3 Seed
1 True
2 Yoda
3 Younghwa
8 Incredible Miracle
Couldn't fit LosirA due to money rescriction 
All losses from people not playing are made back by every player on the team getting a point every week IM wins (which will be every week).
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On June 21 2011 10:30 two.watup wrote:Best Team Ever.Main Team1 IMHappy9 MVP (captain) 8 NesTea1 Ready3 Seed1 True2 Yoda3 Younghwa8 Incredible MiracleCouldn't fit LosirA due to money rescriction All losses from people not playing are made back by every player on the team getting a point every week IM wins (which will be every week).
If a player plays and loses it is just a 0. So, you can never go negative. So even if IM 4-0's every week... you can still be beaten in points by people who spread out their players, you know, having 6 people win in one week?
And btw, IM won't 4-0 every week... and they only play 5 out of 10 weeks.
The perfect strategy
p.s. Losira does much more in the Team Leagues than Mvp or NesTea
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2011 10:30 two.watup wrote:Best Team Ever.Main Team1 IMHappy9 MVP (captain) 8 NesTea1 Ready3 Seed1 True2 Yoda3 Younghwa8 Incredible MiracleCouldn't fit LosirA due to money rescriction All losses from people not playing are made back by every player on the team getting a point every week IM wins (which will be every week).
you get 1 point per person on IM if IM wins?
oh yeah and you're spposed to spoiler your team -_-
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On June 21 2011 10:36 mikyaJ wrote:p.s. Losira does much more in the Team Leagues than Mvp or NesTea
That's not true at all. Both MVP and Losira have played 10 games in the two GSTLs that IM participated in, and both went 7-3. However, MVP played much stronger players.
Btw, I went through this entire thread, skimming people's picks. MVP is BY FAR the least picked 8+ point player...even Nestea is picked more than him, and MVP has played eight more games than him. Man, some people either didn't do research, or just picked their favorites.
Edit: Seems like because he hasn't been doing all that well lately, and hasn't been showing up at these foreigner events, people are just forgetting about him, or brushing him off...makes me sad.
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Sorry if not appropriate to ask, but I been searching for similiar discussion. Just curious as to what general order you guys think people will be played. Sorry if not appropriate or if I missed something. Just curious and any help is appreciated. If this is not what should be posted here I apologize and will edit this out.
Thank you
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On June 21 2011 10:53 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 10:36 mikyaJ wrote:On June 21 2011 10:30 two.watup wrote:Best Team Ever.Main Team1 IMHappy9 MVP (captain) 8 NesTea1 Ready3 Seed1 True2 Yoda3 Younghwa8 Incredible MiracleCouldn't fit LosirA due to money rescriction All losses from people not playing are made back by every player on the team getting a point every week IM wins (which will be every week). p.s. Losira does much more in the Team Leagues than Mvp or NesTea That's not true at all. Both MVP and Losira have played 10 games in the two GSTLs that IM participated in, and both went 7-3. However, MVP played much stronger players. Btw, I went through this entire thread, skimming people's picks. MVP is BY FAR the least picked 8+ point player...even Nestea is picked more than him, and MVP has played eight more games than him. Man, some people either didn't do research, or just picked their favorites.
Shhh, I want to win >:D
Edit: I posted this in the news thread, but it seems more active here:
Player Scoring:
Your Player's Team Wins: +1 Point***
***This counts for all players on the team's roster, even if they did not play in the match.
Does this mean that if I have 3 players on SlayerS, SlayerS wins their MU against another team, I get 3 points immediately?
Edit: Btw, these are gorgeous:
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On June 21 2011 10:03 Kaxon wrote:
As far as I understand, the only thing that's special about the captain is that you can't trade him... and since Huk is only one point, you can't trade him anyway (since there are no 0 point players).
Tie-breaks are decided by the team captain's score.
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Pankcakes or Waffles?
+ Show Spoiler +Pancakes or WafflesMain Team2 Ace - An underrated protoss who, for 2 points, i'd expect to produce some good returns. 1 HuK - Probably a bit of a foreigner pick but for 1 point he is pretty good. After his performance at DH I'm gonna assume oGs will put him in their roster. 3 Keen - A very solid Terran who is worth much more than 3 points, I'm not complaining  8 LosirA - Second only to NesTea, he is definitely gonna put on a show in this GSTL season. 9 MC (captain) - Need I say anything? 4 NaDa - NaDa is a very solid and consitent player reaching the ro8 of Code S many times. Definitely a good pick up. 3 Sheth - Sheth will all-kill every team he plays and then individually apologize to each and every player for his heinous crime! 3 SuperNoVa - An underrated Terran who is going to be rising up soon. 3 Team SCV Life - Chosen mainly because I didn't have many points for a better team, TSL has a fairly solid line up and I'm hoping they do well. Anti Team7 aLive - I think aLive is a bit overrated and I'm not sure he will do too well. 2 Banbanssu - Not very good 4 Maka - Although he is super nice, he's dropped off recently and I haven't seen much great play from him recently.
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The best 8/9 point player is Bomber.
MVP/Losira/ZergBong: they'll just cancel each other out. there won't be enough kills to go around. if i had to pick one, i'd choose losira. He gets played before the others. Zergbong is less favourable than MVP imo since he's terran.
Polt/MKP: same thing
DRG: he's simply not as good as Bomber
MC: his team is way too stacked. there won't be much for him to clean up
MMA: he's usually played in final boss role ala flash- won't be much left for him. also ryung/ganzi in front of him (played before him, taking kills away)
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Based on the results of every major korean tournament,I think we can agree that Terran is the race with the most ''top quality'' players at the moment. So I made a all Terran powerhouse team,with 1 cost zerg and toss.
My captain is MMA,don't need to say more. Next I got some quality middle class like TOP,Ganzi and NaDa. My dark horses but players that can also produce wins are Boxer and Keen.
I'll dominate you guys,sry.
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Dunno why so many are picking HuK, will he actually play this season of GSTL? Thought the liquid players said they wouldn't play unless it was for liquid or some such, though I could be horribly wrong 
Anyway, here's my awesome team of doom! Including some blurb about each pick.
+ Show Spoiler +Fair HavenMain Team5 July - It's July. God of War for only 5 points? Count me in. 9 MC - Might as well, counting on some solid play earning me some points, also likely to go in and stop awful win-streaks! 5 Moon - Rising form, a steal for only 5 points. 4 NaNiwa - Them swedes be awesome. Biased but true! 3 Sheth (captain) - Go sheth! No motivation needed. 1 SocceR - Small lineup in F.U. Will see playtime, no slouch so is likely to grab a point here and there unless someone in F.U all-kills. 2 Taeja - TAEJA FIGHTING! How is he only 2 points? He's awesome! 4 ThorZaIN - Meh, almost didn't feel like it since I feel some choking coming up, but gotta be patriotic. 1 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]F.United[/tlpd] - How can I not pick a team that will be called F.U? Seriously? Anti Team8 Polt - Will choke, every game, every day! 2 Qxc - Not a believer, he best be practicing hard cause he's got little time to get back in form. 3 Virus - I've caught multiple colds this year, I know where to place the blame *glares at Virus*
tl;dr: F.U ftw!
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On June 21 2011 10:53 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 10:36 mikyaJ wrote:On June 21 2011 10:30 two.watup wrote:Best Team Ever.Main Team1 IMHappy9 MVP (captain) 8 NesTea1 Ready3 Seed1 True2 Yoda3 Younghwa8 Incredible MiracleCouldn't fit LosirA due to money rescriction All losses from people not playing are made back by every player on the team getting a point every week IM wins (which will be every week). p.s. Losira does much more in the Team Leagues than Mvp or NesTea That's not true at all. Both MVP and Losira have played 10 games in the two GSTLs that IM participated in, and both went 7-3. However, MVP played much stronger players. Btw, I went through this entire thread, skimming people's picks. MVP is BY FAR the least picked 8+ point player...even Nestea is picked more than him, and MVP has played eight more games than him. Man, some people either didn't do research, or just picked their favorites. Edit: Seems like because he hasn't been doing all that well lately, and hasn't been showing up at these foreigner events, people are just forgetting about him, or brushing him off...makes me sad.
Someone put Mvp on their anti LOL.
Believe it or not.
But anyways, if I was going to pick a 8+ point player, it wouldn't be NesTea or Mvp or Losira... because they can't all get wins. Much better to go with MMA or DRG (or even Bomber) because they are the sole ace for their team.
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Bdaws
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Can someone give my team a rate? : ]
My reasons for each pick:
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chose guineapig because randoms are so valuable in team leagues. Chose Hero because he is a steal at 1 point. Happy seems like a good IM player after his Code A run. J is also good and is a steal for one point. Chose Polt because he doesn't seem to have a weak match up and Puzzle is a beast and a steal for 2 points. My heart told me to choose Rainbow cause i still feel love for him from back in the beta but my mind is telling me to choose Keen. sC is overall a solid player aswell and i chose IM cause i cant see them losing.
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BandWagonsForever
Main Team
9 Bomber
1 Cezanne
4 FruitDealer
1 HuK
1 JookTo
9 MC (captain)
8 NesTea
3 RainBOw
0 FXOpen ESPORTS
Anti Team
1 Hyperdub
4 InCa
8 Polt
Bomber: No suprise here. He has, in my opinion, the best TvT in the game, and he has the best ladder stats. He's definitely a superb player and I think is going to do exceptional.
Cezaane: He took a game off of NesYea in ZvZ. Nigh impossible, and it made me want to pick him. If he can do that, then surely he can play well.
FruitgDealer: Screw the haters, this man's high risk high reward play WILL start working again. I think it's just a metter of time (which he has taken) before he starts doing well again.
HuK: Naturally. An absolute steal for one point, if he doesn't get nervous he can do well.
JookTo: JookTo struck me as the most... well, striking of the remaining one pointers. I expect him to do decent.
MC: Is an absolute boss. How on earth can you not pick this guy? I think his slump is over, anjd I expect him to lead his team to victory, in additon to my thinking he will win the next GSL. Which is why he's my team captain.
NesTea: Which ever idiot at TeamLiquid put him at 8 points need to have an MRI.
Rainbow: Like FruitDealer, I think he's definitely going to shine again, just give him some time. I see lots of potential.
FXOpen: I had not points left. Sole reason why.
Anti Team:
HyperDub: Always thought he was overrated trash. Definitely think he's going down.
Inca: Oh here, let me DT rush you four times in a row. Wait, that didn't work? ****!
Polt: Probably the most galling of my picks, I hate Polt. I think he's lucky, has flukes, and is severly overrated
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+ Show Spoiler +And Then, TrumpetsMain Team5 Alicia+ Show Spoiler +Overall solid player. Usually gets lots of time in GSTLs for SlayerS, and is capable of going on a run and beating damn near anyone. Huge upside, little downside imo. 9 Bomber (captain) + Show Spoiler +Is just a beastly player. Very few people in the tournament capable of taking him down, and nobody is ever a sure bet to beat him. Obvious and easy pick out of the expensive players. 2 CoCa+ Show Spoiler +Not a bad zerg, I think he's good for how low his value is. Capable of holding his own with the rest of the code A'ers who will be getting tossed about in the team league. 3 Keen+ Show Spoiler +Impressed by his run in Code A, and just overall solid play. Think he's gonna be very, very good in the future, and can definitely make a mark in the team league. Seems to be solid in every matchup, hard to snipe. 4 Min+ Show Spoiler +SlayerS will have to play their zerg eventually, and Min is pretty damn good. 2 TheStC+ Show Spoiler +Is really good and an easy pick. Insanely undervalued. 2 ViOlet+ Show Spoiler +Another undervalued zerg, imo. Violet is kind of inconsistent I feel like, but at his top end can be very dangerous to a lot of players. Possible ZvZ sniper. 3 Younghwa+ Show Spoiler +Doesn't really have a standout matchup, but doesn't have any he's abysmal at either. For whatever reason IM seems to throw him out there a lot in Team Leagues, so I figure he's cheap and will win some, lose some. 6 SlayerS+ Show Spoiler +What the hell, can't argue with results. They'll do well. 3 Choya+ Show Spoiler +Will lose badly to anyone who can successfully counter Gateway all-ins. 4 FruitDealer+ Show Spoiler +Is just a pretty mediocre Korean pro at this point I think, capable of going down to anyone in the team league. 6 Trickster+ Show Spoiler +Is on his way down, if you can kill a guy going blink stalkers, you can beat Trickster.
Rationale behind my picks in the spoilers. I think its a pretty solid team, might be a few throwaway picks because I was trying to fill the roster/max out points on solid players I know.
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On June 21 2011 12:01 mikyaJ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 10:53 Qaatar wrote:On June 21 2011 10:36 mikyaJ wrote:On June 21 2011 10:30 two.watup wrote:Best Team Ever.Main Team1 IMHappy9 MVP (captain) 8 NesTea1 Ready3 Seed1 True2 Yoda3 Younghwa8 Incredible MiracleCouldn't fit LosirA due to money rescriction All losses from people not playing are made back by every player on the team getting a point every week IM wins (which will be every week). p.s. Losira does much more in the Team Leagues than Mvp or NesTea That's not true at all. Both MVP and Losira have played 10 games in the two GSTLs that IM participated in, and both went 7-3. However, MVP played much stronger players. Btw, I went through this entire thread, skimming people's picks. MVP is BY FAR the least picked 8+ point player...even Nestea is picked more than him, and MVP has played eight more games than him. Man, some people either didn't do research, or just picked their favorites. Edit: Seems like because he hasn't been doing all that well lately, and hasn't been showing up at these foreigner events, people are just forgetting about him, or brushing him off...makes me sad. But anyways, if I was going to pick a 8+ point player, it wouldn't be NesTea or Mvp or Losira... because they can't all get wins. Much better to go with MMA or DRG (or even Bomber) because they are the sole ace for their team.
Comparing IM's GSTL 1+2 with Slayer's GSTL 2+3, where both teams played the same amount of series (i.e. both went to or won the finals), MMA played 9 games, while both Losira and MVP played 10. It might seem like MMA plays more games, but that's because he always plays in each series due to being saved for the ace match, while MVP and Losira might 3/all kill one team, and not play against the next team. In the end, they usually play a similar amount of games. MMA does have a higher win percentage than either of the other guys though.
Edit: Btw, NesTea is 1-1 in the GSTL, while Bomber is 2-3. Granted, Startale did poorly in the last GSTL, which coincided with Bomber's rise as a player, so his record shouldn't be taken too seriously. Nestea's record, however, should indicate that IM almost never plays him.
For those picking NaDa (as I see a lot of people are doing): the guy is 1-1, just like NesTea, with roughly the same amount of series played. Just some food for thought.
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On June 21 2011 11:26 salito wrote:The best 8/9 point player is Bomber. MVP/Losira/ZergBong: they'll just cancel each other out. there won't be enough kills to go around. if i had to pick one, i'd choose losira. He gets played before the others. Zergbong is less favourable than MVP imo since he's terran. Polt/MKP: same thing DRG: he's simply not as good as Bomber MC: his team is way too stacked. there won't be much for him to clean up MMA: he's usually played in final boss role ala flash- won't be much left for him. also ryung/ganzi in front of him (played before him, taking kills away)
IM, even with such powerful players doesn't really all-kill. MVP and losira are solid choices if you've got the point to throw around, as I can see each of them playing in 4/5 games this season. Nestea is, of the three the most solid player imo - he's just a step ahead of every other zerg out there right now, but I don't see most teams going to the ace game against IM, so I don't think he's worth the points just on frequency of appearance. If they need a Z or T though, MVP and losira are the go-to-players, and they can be played early with the other, as well as nestea to back up.
I took losira over MVP because I didn't have the spare point, and I like zerg anyway.
Prime is not nearly as strong a team as "same thing" makes them out to be. One or both of these players will play often, with the other to back them up as they're both debatable aces atm.
I agree oGs is stacked. Five BEASTLY terrans (theStC, supernova, hyperdub, top and nada,) inca to snipe, zenio and the recently code A hero, and then MC to wrap it all up. This team is a monster; I have StC in there now because he was a cheap pickup who is supposed to be pretty ballin' right now, but I'm scared he'll be shorted playing time in favor of those other four ballers. MC won't often need to see game time - that's why I took oGs as my team choice.
MMA runs into the same problem. If it gets late rounds, the other teams already got a good TvT player out because they went through ganzi and ryung (ryung really being 98% as good as MMA and a SOLID pick himself) so I don't see him being worth the points.
Bomber vs DRG I'd have a hard time deciding. They each lean on their ace a touch, but I think that Tails, Violet and Keen are just a touch worse supporting class than July/curios, Ace/squirtle, and Rainbow. ST definitely needs to pick themselves up a more solid Terran though.
+ Show Spoiler +FTLMain Team2 Ace5 Alicia (captain) 7 aLive4 GuMiho1 Hero8 LosirA2 TheStC2 ViOlet5 Old GenerationSAnti Team3 Choya4 HongUn6 TricksterFinal team update.... I think. Ace because he's just flat out undervalued. He's better than squirtle, and will see the field first of the two of them imo. 2 points is a steal. Alicia is probably the best all-around protoss in korea behind whatever new gosu IM is going to pull out and MC, but IM needs to be renamed from incredible miracle to obnoxiously deep, and oGs (if they don't play HuK) does have a short list of protoss, but MC still won't play until the ace match. aLive is the best player on the TSL team by a mile - tester is a flop, clide is at this point a tastosis joke, killer is over rated, fruitdealer is a fan favorite but isn't performing. aLive is going to get out every time TSL plays, and he's going to get wins because he's actually solid. GuMiho is almost a stab in the dark for me - he hasn't had a lot of solo play in GSLs, but he's clearly one of the better players on fOu, and fOu has a bunch of early games. I'm really hoping he'll take enough wins to bump him to a five by week four, and I can trade him for thorzain after he's picked up a few points, and fOu has played most of their games. Hero is the most picked player besides DRG in these brackets, and I like having oGs players because I think they'll get a bunch of wins. Enough said about him. Losira for IM pick because I couldn't find the one point to jump to MVP, and because I like zerg. Any of IM's top three are solid picks (less so nestea because he won't need to come out often.) gambling on theStC. I hope he gets the playtime, but the other terrans on his team are beastly. If oGs comes out and actually plays HuK, I'll hope that theStC stays up one point on him and I can make that trade; if he doesn't, then I'll eat this one. He's a solid terran, it's just the number of them oGs has that scares me. lastly violet. I needed an MVP player, they need a zerg that's not DRG because he needs to come out in the ace match. fits for me, fits for them. He'll play and he'll do alright, and for only 2 points I can't complain about this one. anti team is tester, for previously mentioned floppiness. I'm not feeling great about the fact that he'll still be sent out, but he's important to soak up points for my anti-team, and I'm sure he won't have success. Wish I were wrong though - <3 tester since his "unbeatable" PvZ in the beta. Choya will go all in if he gets out, and he will lose doing it. HongUn is just the least impressive player of the 4's, and prime has anypro and a buttload of terrans to play first anyway.
I post too long.
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Holy crap there are a lot of people signed up, I doubt I'll do any trades I just wanna see how I do but it will be interesting to see the "experts" at the top and how they do their teams/trading.
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