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Good Morning All and Happy Friday,
We have had such an amazing amount of news come through the community in the past week and a half - we figured why not add some of our own.
As such, I am pleased to announce VPGamers has signed former Lazarus Gaming players/members in the form of PainUser and HDstarcraft. We are proud to have these two gentlemen representing our team and look for great things from them. Both players are committed and look forward to showing their abilities to the SC2 community.
Please look for our team to make their debut at MLG Anaheim with 10 players playing and hoping to do some damage 
Just to provide an update to our current roster since the inception of the team:
VPainUser - ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ticon_small.png)
VPCry -
VPFaith -
VPStreet -
VPAnathorn -
VPCursed -
Frisky - ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Picon_small.png)
VPdOpa -
VPjemag -
VPChAnCe - ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Zicon_small.png)
VPSuppy -
Bio -
VPHDGamer -
I appreciate everyone taking the time to read this, you guys are such a great community! And thank you to TeamLiquid for allowing me to post this!
Any questions just post below and we will answer
Please visit www.vpgamers.com. We hope to see you guys on the battlefield and look for us coming to a MLG near YOU!
Warm Regards,
Mike "VPGeneralHan" Starr
Manager, VPGamers Professional Team
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Woot HD and Painuser on the same team! Cant wait to see what damage they will do in tournaments!
Good work!
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Huge news! HD and dopa for best 2v2ers ever!!
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Does this mean painuser will return to playing soon? Would be awesome if he did
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HDstarcraft isnt actually that good
painuser rocks though
glad youve helped him out
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TLADT24920 Posts
Nice, can't wait to see some MLG results. Congrats to painuser and HD
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On June 18 2011 00:34 FluXen wrote:
Woot HD and Painuser on the same team! Cant wait to see what damage they will do in talking about stuff !
Good work!
fyp
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Wow, this is pretty big for VP. Congrats to HD and PainUser. Don't see how HD is on the A team roster.. Unless if he's somehow stepped up his 1v1 game o.O
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On June 18 2011 00:36 chrusher97 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 00:34 FluXen wrote:
Woot HD and Painuser on the same team! Cant wait to see what damage they will do in talking about stuff !
Good work!
fyp
Painuser is a pretty strong terran
he didnt practice for his NASL games >_>
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good luck and enought with the painuser hate!
The guy does more for sc2 then all the haters together..
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On June 18 2011 00:36 DuckS wrote:
Wow, this is pretty big for VP. Congrats to HD and PainUser. Don't see how HD is on the A team roster.. Unless if he's somehow stepped up his 1v1 game o.O
everyone can help in different ways, and HD is looking to become more and more competitive in regards to playing
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I am confused why you guys would sign them, considering they work so they don't have time to play. Seems like a gigantic waste of money, their are better ways to get your team more popular.
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really happy to have him on board. hopefully we can help whip him back into fighting form before too long ^^
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I'll be honest, when I first saw VP come on to the scene a few months ago I thought to myself "lol who are these newbs... I don't recognize any of these players"
Boy was I wrong.
You guys have many strong and underrated players. Congrats to PainUser and HD, GL to the team!
EDIT: I'll be honest again, for those of you saying HD isn't good, PainUser in his current state wouldn't be on their A team either. Of course that can change if he actually practices, but like some one else mentioned, those 2 can easily be a benefit to their team in many other ways...
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Yeah we are very proud to make this announcement today
VP FIGHTING!
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Nice pickup
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On June 18 2011 00:38 TheWarbler wrote:
I am confused why you guys would sign them, considering they work so they don't have time to play. Seems like a gigantic waste of money, their are better ways to get your team more popular.
They are both looking to become more and more competitive and also maintaining their current roles in the community - we wish them the best. They have amazing potential and PainUser has already shown what he can do when he truly sits down to practice. Hopefully it can continue!
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On June 18 2011 00:41 VPGeneralHans wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 00:38 TheWarbler wrote:
I am confused why you guys would sign them, considering they work so they don't have time to play. Seems like a gigantic waste of money, their are better ways to get your team more popular. They are both looking to become more and more competitive and also maintaining their current roles in the community - we wish them the best. They have amazing potential and PainUser has already shown what he can do when he truly sits down to practice. Hopefully it can continue!
GL sir, will be watching you guys.
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What? HDstarcraft is considered a player?
Nice for Painuser tho, but I don't know if he can train a lot with his job.
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On June 18 2011 00:45 Roggay wrote:
What? HDstarcraft is considered a player?
Nice for Painuser tho, but I don't know if he can train a lot with his job.
^_^ My first thoughts.
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grats to VP and gl to painuser!
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On June 18 2011 00:49 Xiaon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 00:45 Roggay wrote:
What? HDstarcraft is considered a player?
Nice for Painuser tho, but I don't know if he can train a lot with his job. ^_^ My first thoughts.
As I mentioned he is looking to become more and more competitive
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Nice to see that Frisky found a team, good player.
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Strange but wonderful news. Hope they have time to work and train. Congrats.
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thanks guys for the support!
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Didn't painuser already say he was pretty much done with competitive SC2 play for now?
Either way, good luck to you guys.
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Ok this is quite odd.
But who cares, best of luck to Painuser and HD as well as VP growing as a team! ^_^
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Congrats to HD and Painuser. I was getting worried they'd never be signed.
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But... they never play ._________. Why are they signing on a team?
Nonetheless, congrats. I love Painsuer :3 Go Taylor!
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Fuck yeah HD! And PainUser too!
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ouch
Congrats to HD and PainUser, though. Apparently my friend works like 10 feet away from them programming at IGN but he knows jack shit about SC... Cool stuff.
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I'm a bit confused...didn't PainUser recently say that he didn't have any time to practice with his IGN job? I mean he had a rough time competing in the NASL with his current schedule.
Is VP signing on HD/PainUser as sponsered casters? Kinda like how complexity gaming is looking to sponser a caster?
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For the record HD was with LG. He doesn't play, so I guess he's more like a Torch thing, media and shit.
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Grats to all involved and best of luck to you. Great people!
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HD starcraft isn't pro-level in my opinion... i beat him on ladder last season and in custom. I was 3300 point master season 1, and I'm at 1100 points season 2. Still, best of luck to him!
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Not sure what HD's shape is like, but we have all seen what PainUser can do when he puts his mind to it. Good pickup, grats to VP
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I can't help but feel like more and more players that aren't deserving keep getting teams. I'm looking to "get more and more competitive" as well, but I don't have a mediocre youtube casting career that's loved by a ton of people who don't mind inability to analyze the game. Pretty soon we'll see TotalBiscuit on a team as well. I can understand Painuser because he has a history being a solid performer when he practices, but you can find much better talent that wants it and deserves it more than HDstarcraft.
This is similarly frustrating to root's B team getting signed by complexity. They sign root and lose their only 2 decent players in the process. Glad we get to see more of catz not showing up to MLG games under a different tag. Lots of bad players getting signed because they're popular names and not because they actually deserve it.
Good luck to Painuser though, would love to see him compete and do well again.
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On June 18 2011 01:40 shadowboxer wrote:
I can't help but feel like more and more players that aren't deserving keep getting teams. I'm looking to "get more and more competitive" as well, but I don't have a mediocre youtube casting career that's loved by a ton of people who don't mind inability to analyze the game. Pretty soon we'll see TotalBiscuit on a team as well. I can understand Painuser because he has a history being a solid performer when he practices, but you can find much better talent that wants it and deserves it more than HDstarcraft.
This is similarly frustrating to root's B team getting signed by complexity. They sign root and lose their only 2 decent players in the process. Glad we get to see more of catz not showing up to MLG games under a different tag. Lots of bad players getting signed because they're popular names and not because they actually deserve it.
Good luck to Painuser though, would love to see him compete and do well again.
Who was that that said internet stardom was now becoming more important than actual professionals or one's ability in the competitive scene?
Sounds like a DJWheat topic for his imo!
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Nice pickup on PainUser. I assume he's going to juggle casting for IGN and mass gaming for VPGamers; hope he can redeem himself in future tournaments and potentially upcoming MLG's; he was a solid player back in the first season of MLG.
gl~
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I love teams like VPgamers because they allow rising talents to have a great enviroment to improve. Great job.
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Nice, I guess. I just don't understand this combined with Painusers talk about not being able to work and play at the same time. Just watch the latest episode of Inside the game.
Is he quiting IGN or is this more of a hobby team?
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i dont see both as players, maybe theyre just there to promote the team
gl to them anyways
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They are both players, HD as a player obviously has a lot of improvement to make but everyone started somewhere right? As for Painuser, the situation with NASL had to do with scheduling games for work hours so there is no reason he can't ladder and play tournaments/practice in his spare non-working/casting times. Once a competitor always a competitor and he's very excited to start working on his game again. Not to mention playing helps you understand the metagame better as a caster
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EDIT: I'm interested to see how strong HD will be.
iirc, he was in platinum when it was the highest league.
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You guys should consider recruiting Husky. I hear he's a beast in 4v4s.
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On June 18 2011 02:06 PJA wrote:
EDIT: I'm interested to see how strong HD will be.
iirc, he was in platinum when it was the highest league.
You can catch one of his games on MLG, I believe it was the first or second year.
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EDIT: quoted wrong person. Ffs
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This is obviously a promotional ploy, but maybe painuser will start playing well again, but I doubt it with his time restraints
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VP-ainuser? ^^
wouldn't VPPainuser be better?
Nice to see HD joining a team, i used to watch his casting alot in the beta . Haven't seen him play professionally though
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Congrats that's pretty cool, I see Faith has a new home as well, good luck to them all.
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Sorry, I went on your site and I can't find anywhere where it says what VP stands for.
Is it Very Professional? I've seen VP Cursed beat Whiplash, it was quite good at the TL Open.
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cool didn't know HDStarcraft was that promising, I always liked him
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On June 18 2011 00:34 FluXen wrote:
Woot HD and Painuser on the same team! Cant wait to see what damage they will do in tournaments!
Good work!
HD won't do any damage although Pain.User could if he resumes his old form.
Congrats to all parties.
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HD did pretty well against Spades i believe in the MLG he competed in. His only problem was that he made some bad decisions because he was nervous. But it was still pretty close.
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turning into a bay area team 
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On June 18 2011 02:41 JiYan wrote:turning into a bay area team
Omg I know right haha. I guess we need to sign some euro players to even it out
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Cool! Interested in what sponsors this team has
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idgi I thought painuser was retired from pro gaming competively?
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On June 18 2011 02:28 Halcyondaze wrote:
This is obviously a promotional ploy, but maybe painuser will start playing well again, but I doubt it with his time restraints
To be a successful team you need to market yourself well and have really good players. We are confident these two fulfill both roles very nice in due time.
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Can you please pick up iNkA too?
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What happened with Painuser not having the time to mass play with his new job? Didn't he quit a whole bunch of games in the NASL because of it? Guess he was lying. Frankly, i can't understand how you could support such a "pro"gamer.
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On June 18 2011 01:32 Torte de Lini wrote:
For the record HD was with LG. He doesn't play, so I guess he's more like a Torch thing, media and shit.
A d.Apollo or FXO.Wolf.
HD is good enough to be the bottom rung of the B-teamers I think. He is looking to improve, but I doubt it with all his commitments now. But if WhiteRa can managed his family + a full time job... why not?
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On June 18 2011 02:54 legaton wrote:
What happened with Painuser not having the time to mass play with his new job? Didn't he quit a whole bunch of games in the NASL because of it? Guess he was lying. Frankly, i can't understand how you could support such a "pro"gamer.
Commenting on situations that we don't truly understand is pretty irresponsible. Painuser is a great guy, driven, and very passionate about SC2. In regards to NASL it is pretty clear, the matches were scheduled during his work hours, NASL doesn't allow reschedules, and I don't know many jobs you can play SC2 at, I sure can't. So it's either play 8 games over 8 weeks or have a job and support your living. Easy choice IMHO.
But let's look forward not backwards ^^ that's the true story of this thread.
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Woot!! Good signing - gogo Street and PainUser. :D
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Can we call him AinUser from now on? Seriously though, congrats to both. Glad to see Painuser picked up. I love listing to him talk about SC2 and would like to see him doing better int tourneys as well.
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Best of luck to all involved.
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Grats. Good luck to John and Andy. Hope you guys do well ^^
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Hey thanks guys! I'm looking to get back into competitive play, although I just played some ladder last night and I couldn't believe how much tougher the field has gotten in masters. Either that or my game has really fallen :p
Either way, I'll be putting in work.
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interesting additions but for popularity of these 2 it is a good marketing move, grats to both of them.
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Congrats VP! Put the hurt on MLG!
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On June 18 2011 03:36 sl0t wrote:
Congrats VP! Put the hurt on MLG!
Thanks!!!!!
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Congratulations, and its nice to see that T-Pain is not quitting competitive play. Hope to see great results from all of you guys.
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On June 18 2011 02:59 VPGeneralHans wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 02:54 legaton wrote:
What happened with Painuser not having the time to mass play with his new job? Didn't he quit a whole bunch of games in the NASL because of it? Guess he was lying. Frankly, i can't understand how you could support such a "pro"gamer. Commenting on situations that we don't truly understand is pretty irresponsible. Painuser is a great guy, driven, and very passionate about SC2. In regards to NASL it is pretty clear, the matches were scheduled during his work hours, NASL doesn't allow reschedules, and I don't know many jobs you can play SC2 at, I sure can't. So it's either play 8 games over 8 weeks or have a job and support your living. Easy choice IMHO. But let's look forward not backwards ^^ that's the true story of this thread.
I dunno man I would just ask to be removed from tournament if I couldn't meet the commitment rather than being walked over so much people got bothered by it. Oh well you live and you learn.
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On June 18 2011 03:47 Baarn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 02:59 VPGeneralHans wrote:On June 18 2011 02:54 legaton wrote:
What happened with Painuser not having the time to mass play with his new job? Didn't he quit a whole bunch of games in the NASL because of it? Guess he was lying. Frankly, i can't understand how you could support such a "pro"gamer. Commenting on situations that we don't truly understand is pretty irresponsible. Painuser is a great guy, driven, and very passionate about SC2. In regards to NASL it is pretty clear, the matches were scheduled during his work hours, NASL doesn't allow reschedules, and I don't know many jobs you can play SC2 at, I sure can't. So it's either play 8 games over 8 weeks or have a job and support your living. Easy choice IMHO. But let's look forward not backwards ^^ that's the true story of this thread. I dunno man I would just ask to be removed from tournament if I couldn't meet the commitment rather than being walked over so much people got bothered by it. Oh well you live and you learn.
You might as well stay in it.....removing yourself would be more detrimental to the seeding etc becuase some people would have gotten free wins and others wouldn't. And then you would have an odd number of players etc. It makes no sense to be removed from either point of view.
But there is no reason to dwell on the past, let's look forward and towards the future.
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is VP a primarily west coast team?
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On June 18 2011 04:07 pbjsandwich wrote:
is VP a primarily west coast team?
All over. But you cannot deny the bay area has a lot of talent so a lot of players do come from there. We have members in northern cal, southern cal, florida, maine, Quebec, Vancouver, chile, etc
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this is really cool I love both these guys! Gogo VP
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VP is going in the right direction.. If not already, I see them doing big things very soon!
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HD is actually a very promising player when he practices. At the last MLG he competed in he almost took down Spades with no preparation. And I don't think I even have to get into how much raw talent PainUser has. VP's future is looking pretty good. MLG Anaheim will be sick!
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On June 18 2011 01:40 shadowboxer wrote:
I can't help but feel like more and more players that aren't deserving keep getting teams. I'm looking to "get more and more competitive" as well, but I don't have a mediocre youtube casting career that's loved by a ton of people who don't mind inability to analyze the game. Pretty soon we'll see TotalBiscuit on a team as well. I can understand Painuser because he has a history being a solid performer when he practices, but you can find much better talent that wants it and deserves it more than HDstarcraft.
This is similarly frustrating to root's B team getting signed by complexity. They sign root and lose their only 2 decent players in the process. Glad we get to see more of catz not showing up to MLG games under a different tag. Lots of bad players getting signed because they're popular names and not because they actually deserve it.
Good luck to Painuser though, would love to see him compete and do well again.
Jealous much ? If having multiple hundred thousand subscribers is so easy casting SC2, why are only a handful of guys at this level ? Calling him mediocre tells me more about you than about him, imho.
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On June 18 2011 00:50 VPGeneralHans wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 00:49 Xiaon wrote:On June 18 2011 00:45 Roggay wrote:
What? HDstarcraft is considered a player?
Nice for Painuser tho, but I don't know if he can train a lot with his job. ^_^ My first thoughts. As I mentioned he is looking to become more and more competitive
After he claims he is going to quit playing competitively he wants to become more and more competitive? I find it ridiculous that he "quit" NASL and didn't show up for many of his games and now he wants to get back into it? Pretty flaky.
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Gogogogo VP :D, grats pain and HD it'll be a beneficial union for everyone involved! I can't wait to hang out at Anaheim ^^
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On June 18 2011 00:35 Xiaon wrote:
HDstarcraft isnt actually that good
painuser rocks though
glad youve helped him out
VP is not a top-tier foreigner team either, so it is not that big of a deal. Great to see HD and Painuser in a team with people to work with, I hope a team can sign HuskyStarCraft into it as well as their caster or something.
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On June 18 2011 04:54 Devolved wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 00:50 VPGeneralHans wrote:On June 18 2011 00:49 Xiaon wrote:On June 18 2011 00:45 Roggay wrote:
What? HDstarcraft is considered a player?
Nice for Painuser tho, but I don't know if he can train a lot with his job. ^_^ My first thoughts. As I mentioned he is looking to become more and more competitive After he claims he is going to quit playing competitively he wants to become more and more competitive? I find it ridiculous that he "quit" NASL and didn't show up for many of his games and now he wants to get back into it? Pretty flaky.
Like I said we can just look to the future; however, we are all human and capable of changing our minds. That's a good thing! The ability to have a free will hehe. Either way when he had been talking on ITG, this hadn't been talked about yet. PainUsers dedication to this team is already evident from day 1 and I hope we can all just wish him success.
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nice! congratulations!
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On June 18 2011 00:41 VPGeneralHans wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 00:38 TheWarbler wrote:
I am confused why you guys would sign them, considering they work so they don't have time to play. Seems like a gigantic waste of money, their are better ways to get your team more popular. They are both looking to become more and more competitive and also maintaining their current roles in the community - we wish them the best. They have amazing potential and PainUser has already shown what he can do when he truly sits down to practice. Hopefully it can continue!
You can't juggle both, just look at Artosis. When he streams and commentates you get a glimpse into his deep understanding of the game. His reactions are always perfect. However, as the games go further into the late-game you can just see his mechanics failing him as he begins floating 2k+ mins and simply being unable to keep up in that aspect. Or you can look at Polt and his struggling in the GSL while he was juggling university and SC2, then his total domination once he was able to commit 100%. You can't have other commitments if you want to play SC2 at the highest level.
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Hmmm painuser seems pretty commited to his job, i dont even think he is that commited to go back to playing, and even so he has a 9-5 job now making it alot harder for him to get to be a top level progamer. Also hd has only played 3 ladder games since the reset months ago =/
seems like a wierd pickup neither of these guys have seemed that commited to being players in the proffesional scene over the past few months.
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Can't wait to see how HD performs :D
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Wonder how PainUser is going to compete professionally with his full-time job at IGN. They wouldn't even let him play his NASL games at work for Pete's sake. Maybe they're finally realizing that that kind of exposure is exactly what they want as it allows him to gain valuable insight into the scene that most commentators don't have. The same goes for HD.
Though, I suppose it could backfire if they perform poorly. But any publicity is better than no publicity.
Congrats and good luck.
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Good news. I hope to see Painuser getting back to his old self, but as for HD I think this is even a greater opportunity. If he decides to start practicing more and getting into tournaments, then he now has a chance to practice accordingly.
However, if HD decides to keep more along the side of casting, that's great too - because he'll be able to stick to casting more of VP games, learn more from the team, and start offering casts with more analysis. Maybe even get some of the players as co-casters to cast their own games - that way we can get true insight into their play. Looking forward to this!
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Congratulations! It's nice to see more teams sprouting up. PainUser is definitely a good pick, but I'm curious as to why HD was picked up as a player.
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nice addition to the team, I like it
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mouth-droping.. dont know if i should be shocked/sad/happy,good for painuser hope he can get more practise,would be nice to see him in MLG's again.But HD... Now i'm really confused with him,he is a caster,thats his thing.i wouldint be surprised if he doesent do well.. but good for him anyway.
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On June 18 2011 02:33 Torte de Lini wrote:
Sorry, I went on your site and I can't find anywhere where it says what VP stands for.
Is it Very Professional? I've seen VP Cursed beat Whiplash, it was quite good at the TL Open.
Very Pretty
:D
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Glad to hear this.
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I want HD to dominate some tournament to shut these haters up best of luck to him.
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Great casters and players, great addition!
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Nice addition
Will they be participating at Anaheim?
Shoutout to my homeboy VPChance! Are you the manager G.Hans? Walter had some positive things to say about you.
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Congrats! I hope Painuser starts practicing again and getting back on his game
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On June 18 2011 06:49 Bambipwnsu wrote:
Will they be participating at Anaheim?
Since they specifically mention making their debut at MLG Anaheim, I'll have to go with 'yes'.
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On June 18 2011 06:51 StarCraft64 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 06:49 Bambipwnsu wrote:
Will they be participating at Anaheim? Since they specifically mention making their debut at MLG Anaheim, I'll have to go with 'yes'.
Ah this is suprising to me since one of their members told me only 2 were going to participate. GL to all then hehe
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congratz painuser, hope it works out well!
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On June 18 2011 06:49 Bambipwnsu wrote:Nice addition Will they be participating at Anaheim? Shoutout to my homeboy VPChance! Are you the manager G.Hans? Walter had some positive things to say about you.
Ah thank you! Yes I am the manager.
In regards to MLG - yes we are going with about 10-12 people YIKES. I know its a lot of players hehe.
The important thing to remember is that VPGamers is an open community too, so there are some members that choose to go on their own to MLG etc but are not on the Professional Team. So I think the discussion about two people going is actually in regards to a couple general community members.
Pretty much our whole roster is going to MLG Anaheim.
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very exciting...time to crack out the whip! 
No but really, gl to you all. Will definitely be kicking back and cheering you guys on come Anaheim.
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GeneralHan recruited HD just bc he doesnt wana get focus down first in FFA.
JK-ing aside, gl :-/
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What is VP's view of PainUser not participating in several weeks of NASL without notice? I see a post about free will, but I must ask is this what we can expect from VP in the future, or are you merely regarding it as a bad incident but will not condone it in the future?
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Awesome to have these guys aboard with our community, looking forward to the teams first outing at MLG Anaheim as far as the lan scene goes.
oh and of course VP Fighting! 
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On June 18 2011 07:45 Zdrastochye wrote:
What is VP's view of PainUser not participating in several weeks of NASL without notice? I see a post about free will, but I must ask is this what we can expect from VP in the future, or are you merely regarding it as a bad incident but will not condone it in the future?
the situation was poor, and there is more to it than any of us will ever know or care to know. point is it was unavoidable, and wont be happening again. but everyone is so quick to forget naniwas transgressions - just give the same benefit to everyone
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Call me crazy but just a few weeks ago a lot of people were wanting PainUsers head on a platter for standing up Boxer in the NASL and now people are all happy for him. Anyway, I thought he wasn't going to game competitively because of his job? Which wasn't that the reason he missed all those NASL matches to begin with?
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I don't expect any good results from VP. It's not like recruiting PainUser and HD Starcraft is going to make them gosu and make them win tournaments, they're just doing it for the attention in my opinion.
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On June 18 2011 07:54 Stress wrote:
Call me crazy but just a few weeks ago a lot of people were wanting PainUsers head on a platter for standing up Boxer in the NASL and now people are all happy for him. Anyway, I thought he wasn't going to game competitively because of his job? Which wasn't that the reason he missed all those NASL matches to begin with?
The window of playing the NASL games was the same time he was working. For him to play a NASL match, he had to do so while at work.
Big difference.
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On June 18 2011 07:54 Stress wrote:
Call me crazy but just a few weeks ago a lot of people were wanting PainUsers head on a platter for standing up Boxer in the NASL and now people are all happy for him. Anyway, I thought he wasn't going to game competitively because of his job? Which wasn't that the reason he missed all those NASL matches to begin with?
i guess you guys dont read anything but OP but you certainly arent the first to bring this up ^^
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On June 18 2011 07:58 Greatness wrote:
I don't expect any good results from VP. It's not like recruiting PainUser and HD Starcraft is going to make them gosu and make them win tournaments, they're just doing it for the attention in my opinion.
time can only tell I guess - we've done pretty decent thus far. MLG is I guess the only place people look to results
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On June 18 2011 08:10 VPGeneralHans wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 07:54 Stress wrote:
Call me crazy but just a few weeks ago a lot of people were wanting PainUsers head on a platter for standing up Boxer in the NASL and now people are all happy for him. Anyway, I thought he wasn't going to game competitively because of his job? Which wasn't that the reason he missed all those NASL matches to begin with? i guess you guys dont read anything but OP but you certainly arent the first to bring this up ^^
No, I read through a lot of the comments. You typed out your reply to a similar question as I was typing up mine. In fact, I was somewhat surprised that there wasn't a lot more of the "flaming". At least you addressed it in a timely manner.
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well even tho HD doesn't have much done in competitive play just him being in the team is good promotion for them as he's pretty big in the sc2 community, i would say good move there
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VP who? Also HD is worse than almost any pro player, why would u sign him on as a player? :S
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On June 18 2011 08:49 Rylaji wrote:
VP who? Also HD is worse than almost any pro player, why would u sign him on as a player? :S
read through comments - this as already been addressed multiple times :///////
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Nice commercial signings if not playing signings. HD will give a lot of exposure for the team, and I suppose PainUser will too given his new role in the community.
I wonder which team will sign Husky as a trophy signing now.
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On June 18 2011 08:49 Rylaji wrote:
VP who? Also HD is worse than almost any pro player, why would u sign him on as a player? :S
it makes sense for marketing though, HD is very popular on youtube and what not he can bring great exposure to like any team he joins.
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The way PainUser has been talking on various broadcasts lately, it seemed like he was at a point where work consumed so much of his life that he was unable to devote the time and energy required for competitive gaming even if he wanted to. NASL scheduling aside, he kept saying how he was getting out of competitive gaming and that by the time he got home from work, he was always so tired that he would just go to sleep so I find this news surprising and confusing to say the least.
I'm actually curious to know how he can expect to maintain competitive performance given his recent statements about his lack of time and energy and what VP is actually expecting from him as far as results go.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he's decided to keep competing. I'm just confused because he's been talking like it was just a physical impossibility rather than any lack of desire.
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Great addition!! I look forward to training with the both of you.
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On June 18 2011 08:52 LegendaryZ wrote:
The way PainUser has been talking on various broadcasts lately, it seemed like he was at a point where work consumed so much of his life that he was unable to devote the time and energy required for competitive gaming even if he wanted to. NASL scheduling aside, he kept saying how he was getting out of competitive gaming and that by the time he got home from work, he was always so tired that he would just go to sleep so I find this news surprising and confusing to say the least.
I'm actually curious to know how he can expect to maintain competitive performance given his recent statements about his lack of time and energy and what VP is actually expecting from him as far as results go.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he's decided to keep competing. I'm just confused because he's been talking like it was just a physical impossibility rather than any lack of desire.
willpower can go a long way.
We have had conversations about this and it has been addressed a few times in this thread (please check GeneralHans replies, he has mentioned it a few times). He will be practicing and getting back to form and will be playing and representing our pro team.
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Really awesome news nice to see VP getting bigger and bigger!
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Wow this is amazing go Painuser and VP!
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These two are great pillars in the community, I've been hard on Painuser, but now I'm indifferent.
Congratulations to HD and Painuser!
VP Expanding!
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On June 18 2011 09:17 Draekan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 08:52 LegendaryZ wrote:
The way PainUser has been talking on various broadcasts lately, it seemed like he was at a point where work consumed so much of his life that he was unable to devote the time and energy required for competitive gaming even if he wanted to. NASL scheduling aside, he kept saying how he was getting out of competitive gaming and that by the time he got home from work, he was always so tired that he would just go to sleep so I find this news surprising and confusing to say the least.
I'm actually curious to know how he can expect to maintain competitive performance given his recent statements about his lack of time and energy and what VP is actually expecting from him as far as results go.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he's decided to keep competing. I'm just confused because he's been talking like it was just a physical impossibility rather than any lack of desire. willpower can go a long way. We have had conversations about this and it has been addressed a few times in this thread (please check GeneralHans replies, he has mentioned it a few times). He will be practicing and getting back to form and will be playing and representing our pro team.
Human beings have limits and willpower alone doesn't mean much when faced with hundreds of others with just as much willpower and talent, but more time to practice and prepare. We're all aware of what PainUser is capable of when he's in form, but the question is really whether he can possibly get back to anywhere close to his previous form given the massive reduction is potential practice time since he's no longer a full-time gamer. Unless he's going to be limited to playing in minor LAN tournaments, I think it's difficult to expect PainUser to perform up to par with the current field of professionals given his situation.
Pretty much all that's been said was "he's going to be practicing", but there's really been nothing explaining what kind of performance you're realistically expecting out of him and how he's going to be achieving that without negatively impacting his job performance (which things like sleep deprivation tend to do). Will he be participating in major tournaments such as MLG? How does that fit in with his responsibilities at IGN? More information would definitely be appreciated because I could talk all day about cutting my sleeping hours or other aspects of my life to do something else, but the truth is that everything you cut will have consequences and there's only so much a person can actually bear before burning out or breaking.
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Nice!!! Congratz to HD and Painuser!
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I'm gone for one day and you sign on of the top free agents in North America (and Painuser to boot .) If this is what happens when I go away, then I should go away more often. GL VP!!
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The only reason I bothered listening to Painuser was because he played Starcraft 2 at a high level. He's not a Starcraft Broodwar legend, or even a notable figure from some other gaming scene. Now, as NASL has shown, he's not very good. So why would any Starcraft 2 team sign him? He's not good, and he's not good to listen to.
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welcome to the team Painuser and HD!! look forward to meeting you both!!! VP Fighting!
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On June 18 2011 10:50 -_- wrote:
The only reason I bothered listening to Painuser was because he played Starcraft 2 at a high level. He's not a Starcraft Broodwar legend, or even a notable figure from some other gaming scene. Now, as NASL has shown, he's not very good. So why would any Starcraft 2 team sign him? He's not good, and he's not good to listen to.
have you heard of MLG Dallas 2010?
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Good job guys, i've had a great time in the normal clan since I joined last month, and have loved watching our pro team play in live streams. Cant wait to see these two as well!
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On June 18 2011 11:43 VPGeneralHans wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 10:50 -_- wrote:
The only reason I bothered listening to Painuser was because he played Starcraft 2 at a high level. He's not a Starcraft Broodwar legend, or even a notable figure from some other gaming scene. Now, as NASL has shown, he's not very good. So why would any Starcraft 2 team sign him? He's not good, and he's not good to listen to. have you heard of MLG Dallas 2010?
Or have you read why this "not so good player" has lost all his NASL matches? Scheduling conflicts dont allow him to play his matches, every loss is a forfeit.
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On June 18 2011 11:59 Draekan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 11:43 VPGeneralHans wrote:On June 18 2011 10:50 -_- wrote:
The only reason I bothered listening to Painuser was because he played Starcraft 2 at a high level. He's not a Starcraft Broodwar legend, or even a notable figure from some other gaming scene. Now, as NASL has shown, he's not very good. So why would any Starcraft 2 team sign him? He's not good, and he's not good to listen to. have you heard of MLG Dallas 2010? Or have you read why this "not so good player" has lost all his NASL matches? Scheduling conflicts dont allow him to play his matches, every loss is a forfeit.
Or even has he heard of anyone improving? Or getting back to their old form? Like someone else mentioned, this is like saying that Polt was terrible when he was juggling university (though obviously NA is on a lesser scale overall).
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On June 18 2011 11:43 VPGeneralHans wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 10:50 -_- wrote:
The only reason I bothered listening to Painuser was because he played Starcraft 2 at a high level. He's not a Starcraft Broodwar legend, or even a notable figure from some other gaming scene. Now, as NASL has shown, he's not very good. So why would any Starcraft 2 team sign him? He's not good, and he's not good to listen to. have you heard of MLG Dallas 2010?
Oh, you don't mean the MLG Dallas 2011? Where he went 1-3 in the group stages then lost to Vibe? I guess you're talking about the one which was played 7 months ago.
On June 18 2011 11:59 Draekan wrote:
Or have you read why this "not so good player" has lost all his NASL matches? Scheduling conflicts dont allow him to play his matches, every loss is a forfeit.
I know Painuser forfeited some matches, purportedly because he couldn't play at work.
Yet, on painuser's blog he says "I was also given a brief moment to play my NASL match from work, which is awesome. A few of my co-workers looked on and cheered for me."
http://www.ign.com/blogs/pain.user
Then later he says:
"My boss had made it very clear this is not ok to play matches from work." I guess his boss told him after the game against drewbie. But, being serious for second, if he had the remotest chance to win the NASL he would have found a way to play them. He certainly found a way to lose to Zenio after getting the job. But maybe he wasn't giving it his all. After all he had already lost to Cloud, Socke, Sen, Idra, and the aforementioned Drewbie.
On June 18 2011 12:01 Redmark wrote:
Or even has he heard of anyone improving? Or getting back to their old form? Like someone else mentioned, this is like saying that Polt was terrible when he was juggling university (though obviously NA is on a lesser scale overall).
Painuser has no old form to get back to. His last victory of consequence came weeks after Starcraft 2 came out, and his last tournament placing of consequence came a few months later. During neither of these performances did he show top-level mechanics, amazing micro, or unique builds. He did use thors and banshees late game PVT.
Sure he can improve, but he was a C+ BW player. He's got a long way to go.
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HD is actually a really strong Zerg player; I remember watching him play at MLG and putting up a VERY good fight against the Professionals and even winning a series; even though Lazarus Gaming picked up him a week beforehand.
HD FIGHT-TING!
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Painuser is one of my favorite terrans because he's consistently solid in all of his matchups. As soon as he gets any momentum in tournaments he rolls through opponents. He's just really busy right now with his IGN duties (How was he supposed to make money when he doesn't have a team?). There's no reason for ANYONE to hate on him for not going BC's and nukes or stubbornly macroing (and making terrible decisions) like Machine.
Now that he has a team ease financial difficulties, he's going to !@#$ over everyone in all the pro leagues.
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All I wanna say is that I have no respect for Painuser and I think he we will not win anything.
But HD! thats sick that he finally has a team.
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I'm really stoked to see how Faith does. For someone who basically just started playing SC2 and RTS's in general it is pretty fricken amazing that he is playing at this high a level.
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Yeah Faith is a solid player, when we picked him up a few months ago he had only picked up the game a few months before and had watched gsl, went from unranked with no RTS background to Masters in a week, continued his rise. We recruited him and pushed him to ladder more, he went on a 30 win streak TEAR and just got Grandmasters. laddered his way up to #10 on the Grandmaster list before he had to go camping, expecting him back monday to continue to tear up the ladder.
Also, almost all of our team will be at MLG Anaheim so look for us there to tear it up :D
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On June 18 2011 13:04 Santi wrote:
All I wanna say is that I have no respect for Painuser and I think he we will not win anything.
But HD! thats sick that he finally has a team.
Honestly, I find this to be such a retarded example of fanboyism. You say painuser is a shit player, and then because you love HD, you're only glad for him. As good as HD is, Painuser is by far better than HD. Personally, I believe there were 2 reasons for signing HD:
1) Publicity - HD is one of the top 5 casters on youtube, therefore to get more reputation for VP, they signed him.
2) Painuser-HD are Friends - These two are really good friends, and Painuser would not join without HD.
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Win win for both parties.
VP is not well known and recruiting HD and painuser (even with the controversy) will only help them in the publicity department.
Painuser and HD also benefit.
Not sure there's a well established team that would touch PU right now, given the lack of professionalism in he displayed in the NASL. HD isn't known as a competitive player so no competitive team would seriously consider him either.
VP isn't well known anyways so its great they have some pieces to start off and work with.
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On June 18 2011 00:35 Xiaon wrote:
HDstarcraft isnt actually that good
painuser rocks though
glad youve helped him out
Uhhh, i think they picked them up for other reasons, not because they are good at the game. For instance, FXO has wolf on their team and I think he's like gold league. They are community reps that is nice to have on a team.
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Having HD as a good media outlet for your team is one thing, putting him up along side the likes of painuser is another... Buy gl to HD and painuser
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 18 2011 12:56 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 11:43 VPGeneralHans wrote:On June 18 2011 10:50 -_- wrote:
The only reason I bothered listening to Painuser was because he played Starcraft 2 at a high level. He's not a Starcraft Broodwar legend, or even a notable figure from some other gaming scene. Now, as NASL has shown, he's not very good. So why would any Starcraft 2 team sign him? He's not good, and he's not good to listen to. have you heard of MLG Dallas 2010? Oh, you don't mean the MLG Dallas 2011? Where he went 1-3 in the group stages then lost to Vibe? I guess you're talking about the one which was played 7 months ago. Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 11:59 Draekan wrote:
Or have you read why this "not so good player" has lost all his NASL matches? Scheduling conflicts dont allow him to play his matches, every loss is a forfeit. I know Painuser forfeited some matches, purportedly because he couldn't play at work. Yet, on painuser's blog he says "I was also given a brief moment to play my NASL match from work, which is awesome. A few of my co-workers looked on and cheered for me." http://www.ign.com/blogs/pain.user Then later he says: "My boss had made it very clear this is not ok to play matches from work." I guess his boss told him after the game against drewbie. But, being serious for second, if he had the remotest chance to win the NASL he would have found a way to play them. He certainly found a way to lose to Zenio after getting the job. But maybe he wasn't giving it his all. After all he had already lost to Cloud, Socke, Sen, Idra, and the aforementioned Drewbie. Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 12:01 Redmark wrote:
Or even has he heard of anyone improving? Or getting back to their old form? Like someone else mentioned, this is like saying that Polt was terrible when he was juggling university (though obviously NA is on a lesser scale overall). Painuser has no old form to get back to. His last victory of consequence came weeks after Starcraft 2 came out, and his last tournament placing of consequence came a few months later. During neither of these performances did he show top-level mechanics, amazing micro, or unique builds. He did use thors and banshees late game PVT. Sure he can improve, but he was a C+ BW player. He's got a long way to go.
All of this is true and if I posted it I would have been banned for a week.
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people are always such critics lol, they are both good guys and obviously were glad to have them on board. I swear some people take little sound bites they hear way to seriously.
Long story short easy with the hate people, painuser has more then explained what lead to him not being able to play NASL a bunch of times on multiple platforms. People take little sound bites and claim oh he could of should of this that.
Reality is sometimes life is not as simple as you'd like it to be...he got the 9 to 5 job with IGN, the NASL match scheduling didn't mesh with that...he got to play 1 game from work but his bosses didn't want him to continue playing all his matches...which is reasonable IGN has stake in him as an employee not a pro gamer. Thus without special scheduling for all his matches outside of work hours he could not longer participate which NASL apparently was unable to do...the end.
No grand conspiracy to deprive you all of him playing in the NASL or anything goofy like that....also it's pretty well known in LG's last days it wasn't like he had a super solid team to practice with. So now him and HD join VP where they can practice against good players when they are not at work, and sure up anything they need to in order to be in tournament shape.
In case you guys doubt the ability of some of the other guys you don't yet know from VP, many of them have won or placed extremely high in multiple online tournament platforms...Chance just recently won the Tactic 3D pro am, and then was playing against top tier talent in the next day.
This team has no where but up to go from this point forward, and we have a really good bunch of people and strong players to support that endeavor.
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People are reading into this too much thinking that HD and Painuser are just noobs who got picked up because they're famous.
Has anyone watched their games at all?
HD was one of the first Zergs to utilize the Baneling drop and fungal workers on probe lines way before it got popular recently
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On June 18 2011 16:06 starcraft911 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 00:35 Xiaon wrote:
HDstarcraft isnt actually that good
painuser rocks though
glad youve helped him out Uhhh, i think they picked them up for other reasons, not because they are good at the game. For instance, FXO has wolf on their team and I think he's like gold league. They are community reps that is nice to have on a team.
I'm pretty sure wolf is mid-high masters.
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Painuser wasnt terrible last year I don't get all the hate in here lol. Sure he's struggled lately and hasnt had good results but it's because he's been doing other things (Like working for IGN????) he's done a ton for the sc2 community and is a nice guy people should appreciate that...
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As long as HD actually practices, he could do well. I'm going to be optimistic! GL!
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thanks for the kind words everyone, really shows how awesome this community is
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On June 18 2011 12:56 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 11:43 VPGeneralHans wrote:On June 18 2011 10:50 -_- wrote:
The only reason I bothered listening to Painuser was because he played Starcraft 2 at a high level. He's not a Starcraft Broodwar legend, or even a notable figure from some other gaming scene. Now, as NASL has shown, he's not very good. So why would any Starcraft 2 team sign him? He's not good, and he's not good to listen to. have you heard of MLG Dallas 2010? Oh, you don't mean the MLG Dallas 2011? Where he went 1-3 in the group stages then lost to Vibe? I guess you're talking about the one which was played 7 months ago. Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 11:59 Draekan wrote:
Or have you read why this "not so good player" has lost all his NASL matches? Scheduling conflicts dont allow him to play his matches, every loss is a forfeit. I know Painuser forfeited some matches, purportedly because he couldn't play at work. Yet, on painuser's blog he says "I was also given a brief moment to play my NASL match from work, which is awesome. A few of my co-workers looked on and cheered for me." http://www.ign.com/blogs/pain.user Then later he says: "My boss had made it very clear this is not ok to play matches from work." I guess his boss told him after the game against drewbie. But, being serious for second, if he had the remotest chance to win the NASL he would have found a way to play them. He certainly found a way to lose to Zenio after getting the job. But maybe he wasn't giving it his all. After all he had already lost to Cloud, Socke, Sen, Idra, and the aforementioned Drewbie. Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 12:01 Redmark wrote:
Or even has he heard of anyone improving? Or getting back to their old form? Like someone else mentioned, this is like saying that Polt was terrible when he was juggling university (though obviously NA is on a lesser scale overall). Painuser has no old form to get back to. His last victory of consequence came weeks after Starcraft 2 came out, and his last tournament placing of consequence came a few months later. During neither of these performances did he show top-level mechanics, amazing micro, or unique builds. He did use thors and banshees late game PVT. Sure he can improve, but he was a C+ BW player. He's got a long way to go.
Imagine Painuser reading some crap like that, are you purposely trying to get people demotivated. you are entitled to your opinions, but no reason to say anything but "good luck painuser! " in your position.
No reason to be that much of a downer .. worrrrd
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I didn't think Painuser was gonna continue his gaming career since he lost every NASL game and made most people walk over him, thought he was happy with his job at the IGN as commentator etc.
Also didn't knew HDstarcraft was a player either. o.O
EDIT: Perhaps just for giving the team better reputation, in that case I think it's really cool...
However I feel unsure how they will do in the competive scene.
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On June 19 2011 01:24 eYeball wrote:I didn't think Painuser was gonna continue his gaming career since he lost every NASL game and made most people walk over him, thought he was happy with his job at the IGN as commentator etc. Also didn't knew HDstarcraft was a player either. o.O EDIT: Perhaps just for giving the team better reputation, in that case I think it's really cool... However I feel unsure how they will do in the competive scene.
We will find out soon enough
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On June 19 2011 00:01 VPGeneralHans wrote:
thanks for the kind words everyone, really shows how awesome this community is
When you "sign" a controversial player, and a popular player, it just seems like you're seeking attention for all the wrong reasons. There's no shortcut.
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On June 19 2011 11:36 Greatness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 00:01 VPGeneralHans wrote:
thanks for the kind words everyone, really shows how awesome this community is When you "sign" a controversial player, and a popular player, it just seems like you're seeking attention for all the wrong reasons. There's no shortcut.
I'm sorry you feel this way - in fact you would think a manager would avoid a player they know they are going to be flamed about. Especially when it was so close to the actual event.
But I believe in both of them and that's all I can ask for. I guess time will tell ^^
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Big things for VP. Congrats on some great pickups, I'm sure they will prove the naysayers wrong.
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very exciting indeed. cant wait to see them back in action
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