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GSTL May Teams - no IM - Page 38
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
Will be watching, the team leagues never fail to be awesome. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On May 12 2011 07:41 iTzAnglory wrote: Though IM is not even a good team, I definitely agree that GSTL should seed the finalist teams into the round of 8, if not Semifinals. So the team that has won three (could be 4 by the time this happens) GSLs, the first GSTL and got second in the last GSTL isn't a good team? | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On May 12 2011 07:52 jmbthirteen wrote: It might be circular reasoning, but the fact remains that that members of team IM did not manage to get more points than Zenex and Fou.So the team that has won three (could be 4 by the time this happens) GSLs, the first GSTL and got second in the last GSTL isn't a good team? But seriously, as the format of the GSTL mostly favours individual quality over team depth, there's a good argument to be had for IM not being a good team. Emphasis on team depth, I suppose. Personally, I think they're a good team, really good. Certainly better than some of those who qualified for this GSTL. But you know, if you don't make it through the qualifiers, if the performance in the qualifiers (in this case the latest individual GSL tournament) isn't enough to get you Top 8, you have no right to participate no matter your (perceived or real) quality. I think Socke is better than Zeerax, but he didn't get enough points in the qualifying tournaments and didn't make it into the TSL3. And that's fine. That's the way competitions work. | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
MVP deserves this spot. They just formed and had like 583902358928 people qualify for Code A on their first go as part of the team. They all did well and some were promoted to Code S. They have more players in Code A/S than IM, which is the criteria for getting into the team league. I'm sure IM will get their spot regardless, but I wouldn't doubt it if they invite 2 more teams (HoSeo and MVP) to make it a 10 team tourney. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
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Synwave
United States2803 Posts
Pity about IM but current stats do seem the only fair way to do it in their current system. Still bit bummed however. | ||
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Soto
Canada56 Posts
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Clog
United States950 Posts
On May 12 2011 09:41 Bobster wrote: It might be circular reasoning, but the fact remains that that members of team IM did not manage to get more points than Zenex and Fou. But seriously, as the format of the GSTL mostly favours individual quality over team depth, there's a good argument to be had for IM not being a good team. Emphasis on team depth, I suppose. They placed first and second in the team league. I don't see how you could try to argue that they aren't a good team. Players that aren't in GSL on that team are still quite good | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
Holy shit it's all I want to play on | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On May 12 2011 12:46 Clog wrote: They placed first and second in the team league. I don't see how you could try to argue that they aren't a good team. Players that aren't in GSL on that team are still quite good Exactly. Quite frankly the top two teams should be seeded into the next one. Just makes sense to me. The format is clearly broken since IM didn't get in. It is too late to change it now, but it needs to be changed before the next one. | ||
GOM.Sam
Korea (South)210 Posts
Basically OP in more detail. http://www.gomtv.net/2011gstl3/news/65285 | ||
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Sacro
Norway237 Posts
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Hondelul
1999 Posts
On May 12 2011 16:11 GOM.Sam wrote: From the desk of Mr. Chae about IM not participating in GSTL May. Basically OP in more detail. http://www.gomtv.net/2011gstl3/news/65285 GSTL May will feature teams that have followed the rule that has been already announced. However, the committee, the teams, and related people are continuously having discussions about the expansion of GSTL and we want to tell you that the talks are very positive. Sounds fair to me. Rules were made before and everyone knew them. Now it´s time to rethink them and it should not be rushed. I would love to see IM too, but it would not be fair to change the rules now. And expansion of GSTL sound awesome  | ||
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Raiznhell
Canada786 Posts
On May 12 2011 16:34 Hondelul wrote: Sounds fair to me. Rules were made before and everyone knew them. Now it´s time to rethink them and it should not be rushed. I would love to see IM too, but it would not be fair to change the rules now. And expansion of GSTL sound awesome I hope this expansion is the equivalent of Proleague and Winners League | ||
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Zeroxk
Norway1244 Posts
On May 12 2011 05:22 MattsEffect wrote: Considering fou has exactly 1 player in the GSL (sC), and Zenex pretty much only has Byun/Kyrix holding them up (despite the fact that they're pretty consistently in the up/down matches), I'm really sad to see that IM isn't in the team league just because of this arbitrary rule. The team league points should be separate from the individual league. You have to take into account that these are results from after Code A qualifiers, where fOu still had Leenock, choya ++ still in Code A | ||
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bruteMax
Canada339 Posts
So all GOM has to do in the future is improve upon their short-sighted formula used to determine eligible teams. Total Points = 1.6x + 1y + 1/z, where: x = number of players in Code S y = number of players in Code A z = team position in last GSTL This way we'd see IM qualify ahead of fOu, and this next GSTL would be better for it. For GOM to say that "everyone has to heed the same rules" is all well-and-good, but overlooks that the rules can be improved. | ||
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HEROwithNOlegacy
United States850 Posts
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
team beating ogs 1st round = champion | ||
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Wren
United States745 Posts
1 - Count the points after the current season ends. fOu's code A fell into B, IM makes it easily. 2 - Change the system. Team points are the sum of their member's GSL ranking points. By that metric, underperforming ZeneX and flashy but wildly unproven MVP are out, IM and HoSeo are in, and the seeds look like this: (Please note that these are the ranks published on may 6, and should ideally be updated after GSL May. That may change the seedings some, possibly even bringing MVP into the picture.) 1. oGs (19707) 2. IM (15473) 3. Prime.WE (13012) 4. ST (6515) 5. TSL (5151) 6. fOu (4991) 7. HoSeo (4134) 8. SlayerS (2757) 9. Zenex (2736) 10. FOX (1477) 11. MVP (1408) | ||
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BoxersGosuGarden
Philippines155 Posts
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