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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
May 11 2011 22:51 GMT
#741
Thank you GOM for sticking to the rules you made, rather than changing them after the fact. Perhaps these rules should be revised for future team leagues, but now is NOT the time to do that.

Will be watching, the team leagues never fail to be awesome.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
May 11 2011 22:52 GMT
#742
On May 12 2011 07:41 iTzAnglory wrote:
Though IM is not even a good team, I definitely agree that GSTL should seed the finalist teams into the round of 8, if not Semifinals.


So the team that has won three (could be 4 by the time this happens) GSLs, the first GSTL and got second in the last GSTL isn't a good team?
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Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 00:44:01
May 12 2011 00:41 GMT
#743
On May 12 2011 07:52 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 07:41 iTzAnglory wrote:
Though IM is not even a good team, I definitely agree that GSTL should seed the finalist teams into the round of 8, if not Semifinals.


So the team that has won three (could be 4 by the time this happens) GSLs, the first GSTL and got second in the last GSTL isn't a good team?
It might be circular reasoning, but the fact remains that that members of team IM did not manage to get more points than Zenex and Fou.

But seriously, as the format of the GSTL mostly favours individual quality over team depth, there's a good argument to be had for IM not being a good team. Emphasis on team depth, I suppose.


Personally, I think they're a good team, really good. Certainly better than some of those who qualified for this GSTL. But you know, if you don't make it through the qualifiers, if the performance in the qualifiers (in this case the latest individual GSL tournament) isn't enough to get you Top 8, you have no right to participate no matter your (perceived or real) quality.


I think Socke is better than Zeerax, but he didn't get enough points in the qualifying tournaments and didn't make it into the TSL3. And that's fine. That's the way competitions work.
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
May 12 2011 00:54 GMT
#744
Rules were known before hand. If they were changed to let IM in, then we should (and would) be raging about how they just screwed team MVP out of a spot for more "star power".

MVP deserves this spot. They just formed and had like 583902358928 people qualify for Code A on their first go as part of the team. They all did well and some were promoted to Code S. They have more players in Code A/S than IM, which is the criteria for getting into the team league. I'm sure IM will get their spot regardless, but I wouldn't doubt it if they invite 2 more teams (HoSeo and MVP) to make it a 10 team tourney.
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
May 12 2011 01:01 GMT
#745
GSL dropped the damn ball not letting IM in. There is no way that type of thing should happen.
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Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
May 12 2011 01:41 GMT
#746
Very interesting map, I normally dont follow the team stuff much but might have to tune in a few times to check the map out.
Pity about IM but current stats do seem the only fair way to do it in their current system. Still bit bummed however.
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Soto
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada56 Posts
May 12 2011 03:41 GMT
#747
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Clog
Profile Joined January 2011
United States950 Posts
May 12 2011 03:46 GMT
#748
On May 12 2011 09:41 Bobster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 07:52 jmbthirteen wrote:
On May 12 2011 07:41 iTzAnglory wrote:
Though IM is not even a good team, I definitely agree that GSTL should seed the finalist teams into the round of 8, if not Semifinals.


So the team that has won three (could be 4 by the time this happens) GSLs, the first GSTL and got second in the last GSTL isn't a good team?
It might be circular reasoning, but the fact remains that that members of team IM did not manage to get more points than Zenex and Fou.

But seriously, as the format of the GSTL mostly favours individual quality over team depth, there's a good argument to be had for IM not being a good team. Emphasis on team depth, I suppose.


They placed first and second in the team league. I don't see how you could try to argue that they aren't a good team. Players that aren't in GSL on that team are still quite good
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Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
May 12 2011 04:42 GMT
#749
I don't even care about IM, I just fucking love that map.

Holy shit it's all I want to play on
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
May 12 2011 06:28 GMT
#750
On May 12 2011 12:46 Clog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 09:41 Bobster wrote:
On May 12 2011 07:52 jmbthirteen wrote:
On May 12 2011 07:41 iTzAnglory wrote:
Though IM is not even a good team, I definitely agree that GSTL should seed the finalist teams into the round of 8, if not Semifinals.


So the team that has won three (could be 4 by the time this happens) GSLs, the first GSTL and got second in the last GSTL isn't a good team?
It might be circular reasoning, but the fact remains that that members of team IM did not manage to get more points than Zenex and Fou.

But seriously, as the format of the GSTL mostly favours individual quality over team depth, there's a good argument to be had for IM not being a good team. Emphasis on team depth, I suppose.


They placed first and second in the team league. I don't see how you could try to argue that they aren't a good team. Players that aren't in GSL on that team are still quite good


Exactly. Quite frankly the top two teams should be seeded into the next one. Just makes sense to me.

The format is clearly broken since IM didn't get in. It is too late to change it now, but it needs to be changed before the next one.
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GOM.Sam
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)210 Posts
May 12 2011 07:11 GMT
#751
From the desk of Mr. Chae about IM not participating in GSTL May.

Basically OP in more detail. http://www.gomtv.net/2011gstl3/news/65285
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Sacro
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway237 Posts
May 12 2011 07:28 GMT
#752
I hope they come up with a sollution to let IM into the league for the viewers pleassure, i don't want it to be of the cost of another team though.
Hondelul
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
1999 Posts
May 12 2011 07:34 GMT
#753
On May 12 2011 16:11 GOM.Sam wrote:
From the desk of Mr. Chae about IM not participating in GSTL May.

Basically OP in more detail. http://www.gomtv.net/2011gstl3/news/65285


GSTL May will feature teams that have followed the rule that has been already announced.

However, the committee, the teams, and related people are continuously having discussions about the expansion of GSTL and we want to tell you that the talks are very positive.


Sounds fair to me. Rules were made before and everyone knew them. Now it´s time to rethink them and it should not be rushed.
I would love to see IM too, but it would not be fair to change the rules now.

And expansion of GSTL sound awesome
Raiznhell
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada786 Posts
May 12 2011 07:38 GMT
#754
On May 12 2011 16:34 Hondelul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2011 16:11 GOM.Sam wrote:
From the desk of Mr. Chae about IM not participating in GSTL May.

Basically OP in more detail. http://www.gomtv.net/2011gstl3/news/65285


Show nested quote +
GSTL May will feature teams that have followed the rule that has been already announced.

However, the committee, the teams, and related people are continuously having discussions about the expansion of GSTL and we want to tell you that the talks are very positive.


Sounds fair to me. Rules were made before and everyone knew them. Now it´s time to rethink them and it should not be rushed.
I would love to see IM too, but it would not be fair to change the rules now.

And expansion of GSTL sound awesome


I hope this expansion is the equivalent of Proleague and Winners League
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Zeroxk
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway1244 Posts
May 12 2011 10:18 GMT
#755
On May 12 2011 05:22 MattsEffect wrote:
Considering fou has exactly 1 player in the GSL (sC), and Zenex pretty much only has Byun/Kyrix holding them up (despite the fact that they're pretty consistently in the up/down matches), I'm really sad to see that IM isn't in the team league just because of this arbitrary rule. The team league points should be separate from the individual league.


You have to take into account that these are results from after Code A qualifiers, where fOu still had Leenock, choya ++ still in Code A
bruteMax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 13:50:57
May 12 2011 13:49 GMT
#756
Every league benefits from a set of rules that promotes some degree of consistency. If rules are such that the winner from one season cannot return to defend for the upcoming season, then those rules are bad. Everyone wants to see how well a traditionally-strong team will fare in the upcoming season. Everyone wants to see grudge matches and rivalries form.

So all GOM has to do in the future is improve upon their short-sighted formula used to determine eligible teams.

Total Points = 1.6x + 1y + 1/z, where:
x = number of players in Code S
y = number of players in Code A
z = team position in last GSTL

This way we'd see IM qualify ahead of fOu, and this next GSTL would be better for it.

For GOM to say that "everyone has to heed the same rules" is all well-and-good, but overlooks that the rules can be improved.
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HEROwithNOlegacy
Profile Joined June 2010
United States850 Posts
May 12 2011 15:45 GMT
#757
It is a little disappointing that a two time GSTL finalist team will not be in the team league, however they have used the system since the beginning and to make an exception or break the rules would be foolish and ridiculous. IM will be back there will be more GSTL's in the future, I love how Gom has been braining storming idea to make a better system for the future though based on the communities complaints. GSL is by far the best and most professional league on the planet currently.
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BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
May 12 2011 16:37 GMT
#758
so startale gonna win obviously.

team beating ogs 1st round = champion
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Wren
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States745 Posts
May 12 2011 19:17 GMT
#759
There are two VERY obvious solutions.

1 - Count the points after the current season ends. fOu's code A fell into B, IM makes it easily.
2 - Change the system. Team points are the sum of their member's GSL ranking points. By that metric, underperforming ZeneX and flashy but wildly unproven MVP are out, IM and HoSeo are in, and the seeds look like this:
(Please note that these are the ranks published on may 6, and should ideally be updated after GSL May. That may change the seedings some, possibly even bringing MVP into the picture.)
1. oGs (19707)
2. IM (15473)
3. Prime.WE (13012)
4. ST (6515)
5. TSL (5151)
6. fOu (4991)
7. HoSeo (4134)
8. SlayerS (2757)


9. Zenex (2736)
10. FOX (1477)
11. MVP (1408)
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BoxersGosuGarden
Profile Joined April 2011
Philippines155 Posts
May 13 2011 00:13 GMT
#760
Man and IM is trying hard to get sponsors too... This does not support them at all.
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