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On June 16 2011 05:43 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 05:40 Nerdslayer wrote:On June 16 2011 05:38 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:36 SolHeiM wrote:On June 16 2011 05:34 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:32 SolHeiM wrote:On June 16 2011 05:30 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:28 ribboo wrote:On June 16 2011 05:26 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:23 Nerdslayer wrote:
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Are you telling me Idra had 20k viewers on his stream when he was playing bw?
His popularity has skyrockted since sc2 launch. Stop being stupide. The sc2 community has made Idra what he is today and atleast he could say thx you instead of insulting casters like TB
Perhaps Total Biscuit should respect the community of the game he's currently making money from. He should at least respect us enough to understand the game itself. He was streaming during MLG, that is just absurd. How can anyone who claims to love the game stream during MLG? This is a massive tournament, with the best players in the world and he'd rather ladder? Would a football commentator miss out on the World Cup final? There are extremely many commentator who misses the world cup. Are you kidding? Everybody is not invited everywhere you know. Dumbest argument I've heard in a long time. I mean watching in on TV, in a Bar or in the Stadium, wherever. You do know that MLG Columbus was just a qualifier event that's leading up to the big grand finals event, and not comparable to the World Cup final, right? That's a real stupid argument. MLG Columbus was a massive event in the Sc2 calendar, probably the most hyped/important event ever for the foreign Sc2 community and instead he decided to one base all in for a few hours in gold league. Yeah, that's just not true at all, because the reason Columbus was so anticipated was because of the disaster that was Dallas, not because it's the most important event ever for foreigners in SC2. Many players streamed during MLG Columbus, so I fail to see your argument because again, it's asinine and nonsensical. It was a mix of all the improvements they promised after Dallas, the fact Koreans were going, Tastosis and that MLG is always massively important. Either way it was the most important foreigner event in Sc2's short history. Does Dreamhack ring any bells? Dreamhack never had anything like the hype about it that MLG Columbus did. Dreamhack is still awesome though and I would expect any Sc2 to also watch the finals of that too.
You guys should all really stop.... you have gotten to the point where you are just arguing over an analogy... really? Who cares what either of you think about TB or IdrA. They both contribute to SC2 and they both have their downsides. There is no need to flame them for their faults, especially not here.
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On June 16 2011 05:43 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 05:40 Nerdslayer wrote:On June 16 2011 05:38 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:36 SolHeiM wrote:On June 16 2011 05:34 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:32 SolHeiM wrote:On June 16 2011 05:30 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:28 ribboo wrote:On June 16 2011 05:26 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:23 Nerdslayer wrote:
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Are you telling me Idra had 20k viewers on his stream when he was playing bw?
His popularity has skyrockted since sc2 launch. Stop being stupide. The sc2 community has made Idra what he is today and atleast he could say thx you instead of insulting casters like TB
Perhaps Total Biscuit should respect the community of the game he's currently making money from. He should at least respect us enough to understand the game itself. He was streaming during MLG, that is just absurd. How can anyone who claims to love the game stream during MLG? This is a massive tournament, with the best players in the world and he'd rather ladder? Would a football commentator miss out on the World Cup final? There are extremely many commentator who misses the world cup. Are you kidding? Everybody is not invited everywhere you know. Dumbest argument I've heard in a long time. I mean watching in on TV, in a Bar or in the Stadium, wherever. You do know that MLG Columbus was just a qualifier event that's leading up to the big grand finals event, and not comparable to the World Cup final, right? That's a real stupid argument. MLG Columbus was a massive event in the Sc2 calendar, probably the most hyped/important event ever for the foreign Sc2 community and instead he decided to one base all in for a few hours in gold league. Yeah, that's just not true at all, because the reason Columbus was so anticipated was because of the disaster that was Dallas, not because it's the most important event ever for foreigners in SC2. Many players streamed during MLG Columbus, so I fail to see your argument because again, it's asinine and nonsensical. It was a mix of all the improvements they promised after Dallas, the fact Koreans were going, Tastosis and that MLG is always massively important. Either way it was the most important foreigner event in Sc2's short history. Does Dreamhack ring any bells? Dreamhack never had anything like the hype about it that MLG Columbus did. Dreamhack is still awesome though and I would expect any Sc2 to also watch the finals of that too.
Ahh so you saying if we just hype up a tournament or player that makes them good?
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You compare MLG to a 8 man invitational
You compare the viewers of a top 3 foreigner to a funny comentator in gold league.
TB had 20k viewers watching his tournament. The number of streams on the right side of TL that ever reached 20k viewers at the same time is not very high, it's basically major tournaments, major podcasts or the very top players. And I have seen his personal stream at over 5k views occasionally, that's more than most pros ever get.
I think you argue about nothing really. There is a decent amount of people who enjoy what TB is doing for the community. And he actually invests in the community. If all what you want to say is that probably more people care about Idra, Day9 or Tastosis, then you are very probably right. But we are not at a stage with SC2 yet, where we can marginalize a tournament that has constant 20k viewers, and since the tournament was 10hours long, probably way more unique viewers.
The TB hate train is really unneccessary.
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On June 16 2011 05:44 ribboo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 05:43 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:40 Nerdslayer wrote:On June 16 2011 05:38 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:36 SolHeiM wrote:On June 16 2011 05:34 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:32 SolHeiM wrote:On June 16 2011 05:30 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:28 ribboo wrote:On June 16 2011 05:26 Blasphemi wrote:
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Perhaps Total Biscuit should respect the community of the game he's currently making money from. He should at least respect us enough to understand the game itself. He was streaming during MLG, that is just absurd. How can anyone who claims to love the game stream during MLG? This is a massive tournament, with the best players in the world and he'd rather ladder?
Would a football commentator miss out on the World Cup final? There are extremely many commentator who misses the world cup. Are you kidding? Everybody is not invited everywhere you know. Dumbest argument I've heard in a long time. I mean watching in on TV, in a Bar or in the Stadium, wherever. You do know that MLG Columbus was just a qualifier event that's leading up to the big grand finals event, and not comparable to the World Cup final, right? That's a real stupid argument. MLG Columbus was a massive event in the Sc2 calendar, probably the most hyped/important event ever for the foreign Sc2 community and instead he decided to one base all in for a few hours in gold league. Yeah, that's just not true at all, because the reason Columbus was so anticipated was because of the disaster that was Dallas, not because it's the most important event ever for foreigners in SC2. Many players streamed during MLG Columbus, so I fail to see your argument because again, it's asinine and nonsensical. It was a mix of all the improvements they promised after Dallas, the fact Koreans were going, Tastosis and that MLG is always massively important. Either way it was the most important foreigner event in Sc2's short history. Does Dreamhack ring any bells? Dreamhack never had anything like the hype about it that MLG Columbus did. Dreamhack is still awesome though and I would expect any Sc2 to also watch the finals of that too. Still dreamhack invitational and dreamhack winter scored more viewers. weird. perhaps everybody do not think as you.
No they didn't.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=233102
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On June 16 2011 05:43 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 05:40 Nerdslayer wrote:On June 16 2011 05:38 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:36 SolHeiM wrote:On June 16 2011 05:34 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:32 SolHeiM wrote:On June 16 2011 05:30 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:28 ribboo wrote:On June 16 2011 05:26 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:23 Nerdslayer wrote:
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Are you telling me Idra had 20k viewers on his stream when he was playing bw?
His popularity has skyrockted since sc2 launch. Stop being stupide. The sc2 community has made Idra what he is today and atleast he could say thx you instead of insulting casters like TB
Perhaps Total Biscuit should respect the community of the game he's currently making money from. He should at least respect us enough to understand the game itself. He was streaming during MLG, that is just absurd. How can anyone who claims to love the game stream during MLG? This is a massive tournament, with the best players in the world and he'd rather ladder? Would a football commentator miss out on the World Cup final? There are extremely many commentator who misses the world cup. Are you kidding? Everybody is not invited everywhere you know. Dumbest argument I've heard in a long time. I mean watching in on TV, in a Bar or in the Stadium, wherever. You do know that MLG Columbus was just a qualifier event that's leading up to the big grand finals event, and not comparable to the World Cup final, right? That's a real stupid argument. MLG Columbus was a massive event in the Sc2 calendar, probably the most hyped/important event ever for the foreign Sc2 community and instead he decided to one base all in for a few hours in gold league. Yeah, that's just not true at all, because the reason Columbus was so anticipated was because of the disaster that was Dallas, not because it's the most important event ever for foreigners in SC2. Many players streamed during MLG Columbus, so I fail to see your argument because again, it's asinine and nonsensical. It was a mix of all the improvements they promised after Dallas, the fact Koreans were going, Tastosis and that MLG is always massively important. Either way it was the most important foreigner event in Sc2's short history. Does Dreamhack ring any bells? Dreamhack never had anything like the hype about it that MLG Columbus did. Dreamhack is still awesome though and I would expect any Sc2 to also watch the finals of that too.
Right, this trolling has gone on long enough. DreamHack is the biggest LAN party in the world and the DreamHack invitational had I think 50k watching at once if I'm not mistaken. DreamHack Summer will have over five streams.
You really need to try harder with your trolling, because it's not even clever.
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On June 16 2011 05:47 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 05:44 ribboo wrote:On June 16 2011 05:43 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:40 Nerdslayer wrote:On June 16 2011 05:38 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:36 SolHeiM wrote:On June 16 2011 05:34 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:32 SolHeiM wrote:On June 16 2011 05:30 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:28 ribboo wrote:
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There are extremely many commentator who misses the world cup. Are you kidding? Everybody is not invited everywhere you know. Dumbest argument I've heard in a long time. I mean watching in on TV, in a Bar or in the Stadium, wherever. You do know that MLG Columbus was just a qualifier event that's leading up to the big grand finals event, and not comparable to the World Cup final, right? That's a real stupid argument. MLG Columbus was a massive event in the Sc2 calendar, probably the most hyped/important event ever for the foreign Sc2 community and instead he decided to one base all in for a few hours in gold league. Yeah, that's just not true at all, because the reason Columbus was so anticipated was because of the disaster that was Dallas, not because it's the most important event ever for foreigners in SC2. Many players streamed during MLG Columbus, so I fail to see your argument because again, it's asinine and nonsensical. It was a mix of all the improvements they promised after Dallas, the fact Koreans were going, Tastosis and that MLG is always massively important. Either way it was the most important foreigner event in Sc2's short history. Does Dreamhack ring any bells? Dreamhack never had anything like the hype about it that MLG Columbus did. Dreamhack is still awesome though and I would expect any Sc2 to also watch the finals of that too. Still dreamhack invitational and dreamhack winter scored more viewers. weird. perhaps everybody do not think as you. No they didn't. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=233102
They had get you facts right.
As usually you just spawning crap its quite impressive
Anyway im done with you cant take this anymore you making me retarded
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On June 16 2011 05:47 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 05:44 ribboo wrote:On June 16 2011 05:43 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:40 Nerdslayer wrote:On June 16 2011 05:38 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:36 SolHeiM wrote:On June 16 2011 05:34 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:32 SolHeiM wrote:On June 16 2011 05:30 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:28 ribboo wrote:
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There are extremely many commentator who misses the world cup. Are you kidding? Everybody is not invited everywhere you know. Dumbest argument I've heard in a long time. I mean watching in on TV, in a Bar or in the Stadium, wherever. You do know that MLG Columbus was just a qualifier event that's leading up to the big grand finals event, and not comparable to the World Cup final, right? That's a real stupid argument. MLG Columbus was a massive event in the Sc2 calendar, probably the most hyped/important event ever for the foreign Sc2 community and instead he decided to one base all in for a few hours in gold league. Yeah, that's just not true at all, because the reason Columbus was so anticipated was because of the disaster that was Dallas, not because it's the most important event ever for foreigners in SC2. Many players streamed during MLG Columbus, so I fail to see your argument because again, it's asinine and nonsensical. It was a mix of all the improvements they promised after Dallas, the fact Koreans were going, Tastosis and that MLG is always massively important. Either way it was the most important foreigner event in Sc2's short history. Does Dreamhack ring any bells? Dreamhack never had anything like the hype about it that MLG Columbus did. Dreamhack is still awesome though and I would expect any Sc2 to also watch the finals of that too. Still dreamhack invitational and dreamhack winter scored more viewers. weird. perhaps everybody do not think as you. No they didn't. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=233102
But they did.
http://esfiworld.com/cs/news/dreamhack-dates-set-through-2012
I'll highlight the important part:
The finals at DreamArena Extreme attracted thousands and 1,4 million people from 92 countries
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On June 16 2011 05:47 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 05:44 ribboo wrote:On June 16 2011 05:43 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:40 Nerdslayer wrote:On June 16 2011 05:38 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:36 SolHeiM wrote:On June 16 2011 05:34 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:32 SolHeiM wrote:On June 16 2011 05:30 Blasphemi wrote:On June 16 2011 05:28 ribboo wrote:
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There are extremely many commentator who misses the world cup. Are you kidding? Everybody is not invited everywhere you know. Dumbest argument I've heard in a long time. I mean watching in on TV, in a Bar or in the Stadium, wherever. You do know that MLG Columbus was just a qualifier event that's leading up to the big grand finals event, and not comparable to the World Cup final, right? That's a real stupid argument. MLG Columbus was a massive event in the Sc2 calendar, probably the most hyped/important event ever for the foreign Sc2 community and instead he decided to one base all in for a few hours in gold league. Yeah, that's just not true at all, because the reason Columbus was so anticipated was because of the disaster that was Dallas, not because it's the most important event ever for foreigners in SC2. Many players streamed during MLG Columbus, so I fail to see your argument because again, it's asinine and nonsensical. It was a mix of all the improvements they promised after Dallas, the fact Koreans were going, Tastosis and that MLG is always massively important. Either way it was the most important foreigner event in Sc2's short history. Does Dreamhack ring any bells? Dreamhack never had anything like the hype about it that MLG Columbus did. Dreamhack is still awesome though and I would expect any Sc2 to also watch the finals of that too. Still dreamhack invitational and dreamhack winter scored more viewers. weird. perhaps everybody do not think as you. No they didn't. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=233102
22.5 million views are not 22.5 million viewers. And that was for three different games, not just SC2.
And since he hasn't responded for a while now I officially declare myself the champion of the Troll. I will mount his head on a pike in my front garden so all denizens can gawk in awe and admiration.
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On June 16 2011 05:46 Malinor wrote:
You compare MLG to a 8 man invitational
You compare the viewers of a top 3 foreigner to a funny comentator in gold league.
TB had 20k viewers watching his tournament. The number of streams on the right side of TL that ever reached 20k viewers at the same time is not very high, it's basically major tournaments, major podcasts or the very top players. And I have seen his personal stream at over 5k views occasionally, that's more than most pros ever get.
I think you argue about nothing really. There is a decent amount of people who enjoy what TB is doing for the community. And he actually invests in the community. If all what you want to say is that probably more people care about Idra, Day9 or Tastosis, then you are very probably right. But we are not at a stage with SC2 yet, where we can marginalize a tournament that has constant 20k viewers, and since the tournament was 10hours long, probably way more unique viewers.
The TB hate train is really unneccessary.
And let this be the end of it.
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On June 16 2011 04:16 Broodwurst wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 02:59 Mackus wrote:What makes TB great and why a lot of people enjoy his stuff, is because he doesn't pander, that's what a lot of interacting usually is, he twitters facebooks even posts on this forums how is that not enough? Yes, and he's usually rude every time to people who asks questions or gives opinions. A quick scroll down to his history of tweets would justify my claim. Q: @Totalbiscuit ok i might get thees wrong but isnt it d-apollo and day9 there is casting? A: @aule10 Yes, they are the main casters, I am Stream 2, there are 5 streams How very rude! I'm not even bothering with - what you call - opinions...
A) I said History, not the last 5 tweets
B) I said towards the fans.
If that's your best I'd stop trying to making a point.
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On June 15 2011 08:14 DoomsVille wrote:
Supposedly there is going to be a big IGN annoucement tomorrow.
Calling it now: IGN proteam starring kiwikaki and slush.
Did they announce the announcement yet?
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On June 16 2011 06:54 Voltaire wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 08:14 DoomsVille wrote:
Supposedly there is going to be a big IGN annoucement tomorrow.
Calling it now: IGN proteam starring kiwikaki and slush. Did they announce the announcement yet?
yeah I believe it was the IPL TV thing.
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For the restaurant buzzer idea, make sure there is a backup system (like calling players over loud speakers, or displaying names of players on giant screens as up next) because if they run out of batteries or something, it would be an awful reason to get disqualified.
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On June 15 2011 23:19 Razvy wrote:
I've always been a fan of the 'if you don't like something, ignore it and hope it goes away' when it comes to mass market things. I don't like reality TV, so I don't watch it and hope it goes away. I don't like TB's casting, so I don't watch him and hope he goes away. I don't like pages of flame posts, so I don't read them (ok, I made a mistake this time), and hope they go away. It's perfectly fine to not like something and also not make a big deal about it too.
It doesn't always work, but it does keep me sane.
Lol this is so true. Watch what you like, ignore what you dont.
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On June 16 2011 03:10 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 03:05 Scythias wrote:On June 16 2011 02:59 Mackus wrote:What makes TB great and why a lot of people enjoy his stuff, is because he doesn't pander, that's what a lot of interacting usually is, he twitters facebooks even posts on this forums how is that not enough? Yes, and he's usually rude every time to people who asks questions or gives opinions. A quick scroll down to his history of tweets would justify my claim. Not saying the claim isn't justified i'm saying that's the appeal. Going by how many people like TB and watch his vids i'd say it's working out pretty well for him. I think quite a lot of people watch him for the amusement of him not understanding the game, missing drops etc..
Understanding the game is irrelevant for a play-by-play caster, he knows enough to do said play-by-play, analysts are there for that deep understanding. Also, every caster misses drops. Even the GOMTV Observer at times, and that guy is a legend, and he doesn't have to talk.
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Wow, look at the influence Idra has on the community 
I find TB delightful (probably because of his accent), and he's at least as good as the other "regular schmo" casters, Wheat and JP
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Was there no show this week? or does it just take a while to upload?
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Wheat
Just want to raise a point about discussing players.
It would be much appreciated if whenever you guys discuss about a player on the show that yougo into more of the specifics. For me, listening to the discussions about the type of style and tactic that a player favours just adds so much more depth to my watching experience.
Let me give you an anecdote. I don't really watch Code A and so I pretty much have no clue why Losira is good, or more to the point why other people (ie Tastosis) seem to have such a high opinion of his play. But prior to MLG Columbus I read MrBitter's write up about Losira's TvZ, about how he favours mass ling/baneling/roach, and that gave me so much more enjoyment out of watching his games. I realised that I was a) more engaged in the early game because during the early skirmishes I'd always implicitly try to keep track of his macro timings in the back of my mind and b) felt familiar and a sense of endearment when I was "recognising" his strategy even though I have literally never watched a single game of his (am so gutted that I missed out on his Code A finals match). What's more, when I was watching his match against MMA in the finals, it became even more enjoyable because I was seeing how this amazing strategy of his was getting dominated by the drop play.
Of course there are shows like the daily etc. that does that really well but I feel that shows like Inside the Game (and probably SotG when it comes back on) is well placed to throw in more of this talk because there are several top players present to bounce the discussion around. You know how you always say we need more storyline? Well I think this kind of talk is another way of enriching the storyline that is "in-game" as opposed to being in the community.
So to summarise my point: please talk more about the specifics of a player's play, as I think it adds a lot of depth to the in-game storyline of a player and that's something the audience will lap up.
Cheers!
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I wonder if there was some deliberate plan to create drama to get more listeners because, now I am very interested to hear what the hell would make people shit all over a caster, who threw in his own money and time to do an awesome tournament and then promising to use the ad-revenue from his stream to create a new tournament.
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On June 16 2011 05:38 Blasphemi wrote:
It was a mix of all the improvements they promised after Dallas, the fact Koreans were going, Tastosis and that MLG is always massively important. Either way it was the most important foreigner event in Sc2's short history.
That's a solid point if it was teh last tournament for sc2. I would say that MLG Anaheim is going to be even bigger, and the next tournament and the finals. I would say that TSL was a huge tournament, it wasn't live (except the end) but it was still big. I would say that Dreamhack and ipl etc are big tournaments. The only reason why MLG Columbus could be considered the biggest tournament so far is because it spanned a 3 day period where every other tournament takes place over a longer period of time.
Edit: oh, forgot to mention, Dreamhack was bigger.
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