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imareaver3
Profile Joined June 2010
United States906 Posts
April 15 2011 21:52 GMT
#201
On April 16 2011 03:27 DwmC_Foefen wrote:
CLOSE THIS THREAD QUICK!!!!

Ok, ok I'll check it out^^

But if mondi loses I'll hold you responsible


If I understand correctly, this thread was posted after the games were played.
freetgy
Profile Joined November 2010
1720 Posts
April 15 2011 22:24 GMT
#202
nice to see the oversupply-trick used in a real match:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=194649
hadhubhi
Profile Joined August 2010
30 Posts
April 15 2011 22:25 GMT
#203
Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure Cruncher doesn't know how to PvZ without large numbers of void rays, so I don't think we are to see a successful mass brood lord army.

I really like how Mondragon tries really hard to make his army useful at all times. You don't really see him just sitting back passively very often, his army is moving around, trying to find a weakness to exploit. Such a fun player to watch, and here's to hoping he crunches Cruncher.
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1603 Posts
April 15 2011 22:27 GMT
#204
On April 15 2011 14:10 Khaldor wrote:
Mondragon, as most of you probably know, has to face Cruncher on sunday in the TSL. This is why he has been training nonstop against Protoss the past few weeks and one of his trainingpartners is none other than the former WarCraft III Progamer ToD.

One of their games was a really intense match on Metalopolis. As I know ToD for some years now he sent me the replay and Mondragon agreed on me casting it in english (thank you very much once again!).

I hope you guy's enjoy the video and the match itself and judge for yourself if Mondragon is fit to face Cruncher on sunday in the TSL
Show nested quote +

  • Part 1 - Mondragon(Z) vs. ToD(P): *click to play*
  • Part 2 - Mondragon(Z) vs. ToD(P): *click to play*
  • Part 3 - Mondragon(Z) vs. ToD(P): *click to play*


Kind regards,
Khaldor

PS: one or two parts of the video may take some minutes to show up in 720p. I have to leave for the airport now as I'll be at the Gadget Show in Birmingham this weekend but didn't want to leave without posting this game. Sorry for the inconvenience, as soon as YouTube processed the videos everything should be fine.


If you're implying the style played here will help him against Cruncher on a BO series perhaps not, since cruncher fits in quite a few good all ins. But I do think these matches will be good especially if there are a couple 6gate games where Mondragon can hold him off and then there is a macro game. Should be an epic series.
thehitman
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1105 Posts
April 15 2011 22:41 GMT
#205
This is obviously a fake, just to fool his opponent.
I predict we are going to see mass ling, infestor from mondragon.
Crais
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2136 Posts
April 16 2011 00:17 GMT
#206
Fantastic, thanks Khaldor!
RIP MBC Game Hero
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
April 16 2011 00:24 GMT
#207
Great play from Mondragon. He abuses roach burrow because toss can't have observers all over the place.

Can someone imagine Idra doing something like this? At least, figuring it out on his on? Nope, he just knows how to make a lot of units and then complain when they get killed easily.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
walklightwhat
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia752 Posts
April 16 2011 00:27 GMT
#208
On April 16 2011 09:24 AndAgain wrote:
Great play from Mondragon. He abuses roach burrow because toss can't have observers all over the place.

Can someone imagine Idra doing something like this? At least, figuring it out on his on? Nope, he just knows how to make a lot of units and then complain when they get killed easily.


Pity you are wrong. He has been using and abusing roach burrow and drops/nydus play quite a bit for past couple weeks.

It's pretty sad you had to use Mondi to try and trash someone else.

Gaius Baltar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States449 Posts
April 16 2011 00:43 GMT
#209
On April 16 2011 06:37 Jakalo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 05:57 Gaius Baltar wrote:
Damn it, I was hoping Mondi could show a win. ToD didn't even go colossus/void ray. I don't think he has any chance against cruncher unless he does something completely unorthodox like he did with mass roach vs air.


In my book any showing at all before (tehnically after) a big match is a good sign.

Well said. I like the way you think. Still, it's a tall order! @_@
Blacktion
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1148 Posts
April 16 2011 00:54 GMT
#210
Great game, well casted.
10 infestor, 19 broodlord army? Thats going to haunt my dreams.
Where's Boxer, there's victory! - figq
Kurr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2338 Posts
April 16 2011 01:08 GMT
#211
It was pretty interesting but ToD should've switched to stargate tech so much earlier; around when he saw mass spine crawlers + broodlords. He had a good army and would've done fine if he went for it. Instead he waited 10 minutes and made templar tech first as well, which I felt was not really necessary even if feedback helped in the end.

Mondragon lost half his broodlords at one point trying to be sneaky with them and hitting an expansion, bad choice even if he would've managed to save more IMO just because of how open that area is.

Overall, good entertainment value but not an amazing game in terms of decision making.

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ | ┻━┻ ︵╰(°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
timestep
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada73 Posts
April 16 2011 01:21 GMT
#212
This is how you play ZvP
"whoop whoop whoop whoop" - Dr. Zoidberg
KgKris
Profile Joined April 2011
United States164 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 04:48:03
April 16 2011 04:47 GMT
#213
"The spider comes."
Markam
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland71 Posts
April 16 2011 08:40 GMT
#214
I liked transition into 16 evo chambers.
twisted03
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden137 Posts
April 16 2011 15:27 GMT
#215
Hahaha Mondragon is seriously awesome.
eNbee
Profile Joined July 2010
Belgium487 Posts
April 16 2011 15:49 GMT
#216
Too bad as soon as ToD remembered protoss have stargate the game was over ^^

Great watch though!
hmmmm
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
April 16 2011 16:29 GMT
#217
Very entertaining game indeed.

Wasn't really the BEST play I've seen out of either player, that's for sure, but since there were lots of mistakes on both sides it turned out to be a really interesting match.
♥ I used to lasso the shit out of your tournaments =( ♥ | Much is my hero. | zizi yO~ | Be Nice, TL.
BigJoe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States210 Posts
April 17 2011 13:31 GMT
#218
Well its not secret anymore... maybe he did this to fake him out... or he's going to pull a false-positive and bank on the fact he will think its to fake and do it anyway?
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 14:42:08
April 17 2011 14:39 GMT
#219
On April 16 2011 05:02 da_head wrote:
wow that was a really interesting game. this is very reminsicent of bw style, where zerg was all over the map instead of having a deathball vs deathball fight. take note idra.


Well that game just explains why zergs do not use that offen. Mondragon was harassing protoss player all game with drops and burrow and then toss just comes and straight up kills everything zerg has.

Those small harassments do not stop protoss army from building up to the point where it's just impossible to kill. I've seen many times pro zerg players do those types of drop harassment but usually they die when toss decides to move into zerg's main and clean everything.

That's why most of zerg players, Idra including, prefers to fight toss army head on, because that way you are at least killing his army.
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
stOrpse
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States175 Posts
April 17 2011 17:31 GMT
#220
Don't worry guys, Mondi will never find out as he doesn't read/write on sites like TL. He says its a waste of time :/
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