Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure Cruncher doesn't know how to PvZ without large numbers of void rays, so I don't think we are to see a successful mass brood lord army.

I really like how Mondragon tries really hard to make his army useful at all times. You don't really see him just sitting back passively very often, his army is moving around, trying to find a weakness to exploit. Such a fun player to watch, and here's to hoping he crunches Cruncher.

NoobSkills

United States1598 Posts

April 15 2011 22:27 GMT

#204

On April 15 2011 14:10 Khaldor wrote:
Mondragon, as most of you probably know, has to face Cruncher on sunday in the TSL. This is why he has been training nonstop against Protoss the past few weeks and one of his trainingpartners is none other than the former WarCraft III Progamer ToD.

One of their games was a really intense match on Metalopolis. As I know ToD for some years now he sent me the replay and Mondragon agreed on me casting it in english (thank you very much once again!).

I hope you guy's enjoy the video and the match itself and judge for yourself if Mondragon is fit to face Cruncher on sunday in the TSL

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Kind regards,
Khaldor

PS: one or two parts of the video may take some minutes to show up in 720p. I have to leave for the airport now as I'll be at the Gadget Show in Birmingham this weekend but didn't want to leave without posting this game. Sorry for the inconvenience, as soon as YouTube processed the videos everything should be fine.

If you're implying the style played here will help him against Cruncher on a BO series perhaps not, since cruncher fits in quite a few good all ins. But I do think these matches will be good especially if there are a couple 6gate games where Mondragon can hold him off and then there is a macro game. Should be an epic series.

thehitman

1105 Posts

April 15 2011 22:41 GMT

#205

This is obviously a fake, just to fool his opponent.
I predict we are going to see mass ling, infestor from mondragon.

Crais

Canada2136 Posts

April 16 2011 00:17 GMT

#206

Fantastic, thanks Khaldor!

AndAgain

United States2621 Posts

April 16 2011 00:24 GMT

#207

Great play from Mondragon. He abuses roach burrow because toss can't have observers all over the place.

Can someone imagine Idra doing something like this? At least, figuring it out on his on? Nope, he just knows how to make a lot of units and then complain when they get killed easily.

walklightwhat

Australia752 Posts

April 16 2011 00:27 GMT

#208

On April 16 2011 09:24 AndAgain wrote:
Great play from Mondragon. He abuses roach burrow because toss can't have observers all over the place.

Can someone imagine Idra doing something like this? At least, figuring it out on his on? Nope, he just knows how to make a lot of units and then complain when they get killed easily.

Pity you are wrong. He has been using and abusing roach burrow and drops/nydus play quite a bit for past couple weeks.

It's pretty sad you had to use Mondi to try and trash someone else.

Gaius Baltar

United States449 Posts

April 16 2011 00:43 GMT

#209

On April 16 2011 06:37 Jakalo wrote:

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In my book any showing at all before (tehnically after) a big match is a good sign.

Well said. I like the way you think. Still, it's a tall order! @_@

Blacktion

United Kingdom1148 Posts

April 16 2011 00:54 GMT

#210

Great game, well casted.
10 infestor, 19 broodlord army? Thats going to haunt my dreams.

Kurr

Canada2338 Posts

April 16 2011 01:08 GMT

#211

It was pretty interesting but ToD should've switched to stargate tech so much earlier; around when he saw mass spine crawlers + broodlords. He had a good army and would've done fine if he went for it. Instead he waited 10 minutes and made templar tech first as well, which I felt was not really necessary even if feedback helped in the end.

Mondragon lost half his broodlords at one point trying to be sneaky with them and hitting an expansion, bad choice even if he would've managed to save more IMO just because of how open that area is.

Overall, good entertainment value but not an amazing game in terms of decision making.

timestep

Canada73 Posts

April 16 2011 01:21 GMT

#212

This is how you play ZvP

KgKris

United States164 Posts

April 16 2011 04:47 GMT

#213

Markam

Poland71 Posts

April 16 2011 08:40 GMT

#214

I liked transition into 16 evo chambers.

twisted03

Sweden137 Posts

April 16 2011 15:27 GMT

#215

Hahaha Mondragon is seriously awesome.

eNbee

Belgium487 Posts

April 16 2011 15:49 GMT

#216

Too bad as soon as ToD remembered protoss have stargate the game was over ^^

Great watch though!

Mikilatov

United States3897 Posts

April 16 2011 16:29 GMT

#217

Very entertaining game indeed.

Wasn't really the BEST play I've seen out of either player, that's for sure, but since there were lots of mistakes on both sides it turned out to be a really interesting match.

BigJoe

United States210 Posts

April 17 2011 13:31 GMT

#218

Well its not secret anymore... maybe he did this to fake him out... or he's going to pull a false-positive and bank on the fact he will think its to fake and do it anyway?

ALPINA

3791 Posts

April 17 2011 14:39 GMT

#219

On April 16 2011 05:02 da_head wrote:
wow that was a really interesting game. this is very reminsicent of bw style, where zerg was all over the map instead of having a deathball vs deathball fight. take note idra.

Well that game just explains why zergs do not use that offen. Mondragon was harassing protoss player all game with drops and burrow and then toss just comes and straight up kills everything zerg has.

Those small harassments do not stop protoss army from building up to the point where it's just impossible to kill. I've seen many times pro zerg players do those types of drop harassment but usually they die when toss decides to move into zerg's main and clean everything.

That's why most of zerg players, Idra including, prefers to fight toss army head on, because that way you are at least killing his army.