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http://rakaka.se/?newsID=16549
Swedish interview between Rakaka and Naniwa at the DH invitational.
Interviewer: We're standing here with Naniwa who isn't part of this tournament, how long have you been here for?
Naniwa: Since this morning.
I: Have you seen any games?
N: Yeah.
I: Which mach was most interesting?
N: Uhm, Whitera against Sjow was pretty interesting.
I: How does it feel to not be playing now when you're still so hot. (26-2 in MLG last week if you missed it)
N: Yeah I would really like to play, I think I'd be able to perform better than some but.. Shit happens I guess.
I: There are no Swedes in the finals but we have MC vs Whitera, 2 protoss, who's the strongest? Is it easily MC?
N: Yes. If Whitera doesn't mindgame MC, MC will win.
I: There's been a lot of talk about this, we've talked to both HuK and Idra, Jinro, MC himself, Protoss - is the race overpowered?
N: Well the thing is, MC wins everything but that's just 1 player, Whitera hasn't won any big tournament ever as far as I know but both are obviously big names. HuK got knocked out in round 1 so I don't think it's fair to say it's imbalanced.
I: Nah, Idra was complaining that force fields make the game so simple for Protoss because they can split armies and block armies..
N: Uhm, I don't think anyone can say that yet, the game is still very new, even if that's easy to forget. At least when I play I feel like there's a lot I could improve and I just think it's unfair to complain about imbalances all the time..
I: Yeah there are a lot of people saying that it's a young game and it'll take a long time, how long do you think it'll take until a stable level is found where everyone can say they were playing under the same conditions?
N: Uhm, for example when I played WC3 it took about 5 years for some tactics to emerge so I don't think we should judge for another 2-3 years at least.
I: Yeah if we look at the future which events are you confirmed for?
N: I'm hoping DH summer, uhm, in two days I'm going to gadgetshow in England, then CPH games, then MLG Colombus, then I guess it's the finals of MLG. So I guess that's what I'm certain of so far.
I: You're playing in Rakakas tournament for a spot in Korea, is Korea a possible home for you in the future, would you like to play in the GSL or would you rather move around in the West?
N: Nah my goal is to be the best and I think Korea is the best way to become the best so to speak. If I can get there and get a chance at code A or code S I'll take it.
I: You say Korea's best in the world, many people are saying the West is catching up, some players announced a gaminghouse today here in Stockholm, that was your teammates Bischu and Sjow if I remember correctly..
N: Yeah, Sjow, Bischu, TLO, someone else I think..
I: Why aren't you part of that?
N: TLO doesn't like me, apparently.. I don't know what to say about that..
I: Really? thats.. So TLO doesn't like you?
N: That's what I've heard at least. That's all I know, I think he said I was bad PR, I understand him but...
I: Uhm, are there any other plans for something similiar for you and some others?
N: There aren't that many others in Sweden, I mean it's Sjow, Morrow, right Morrow too, that's the Swedish elite.. Except for Jinro and Haypro so... There isn't that much I can do.
I: Right so it's almost starting in there, (finals) any closing words for the fans?
N: Yeah.. Thanks to everyone that's supporting me, even if you aren't that many I really appreciate it all.
I: Thanks for the interview.
*This is obviously translated, some mistakes might be in there but I couldn't find any now at least.
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Sjow/Morrow/Jinro/Naniwa would be a pretty badass house
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Cool interview... but what's up with TLO not liking Naniwa.. did Naniwa do something to upset him or give himself a bad reputation?
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Stick to them guns TLO. Naniwa is playing very well right now, but that does not make him a good roommate.
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A Swedish gaming house would be sick. So much talent over there, just behind Korea in that respect.
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N: TLO doesn't like me, apparently.. I don't know what to say about that..
I: Really? thats.. So TLO doesn't like you?
N: That's what I've heard at least. That's all I know, I think he said I was bad PR, I understand him but..
bad PR ? the guy went 26-2 at mlg.. unless he´s screaming obscenities at children during tournaments i don´t see what TLO is getting at
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Naniwa have had a pretty dark past. But in the last couple of months he's actually gotten himself together. Would be weird if TLO haven't noticed this. I think there's also something else.
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On April 13 2011 07:19 Morphs wrote:
Cool interview... but what's up with TLO not liking Naniwa.. did Naniwa do something to upset him or give himself a bad reputation?
Do you know much about naniwa's past? I am sure there is some info around.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Naniwa
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Aw he sounds so sad in the last answer. :lol
I'll support you Naniwa. At least as long as you stay as clean as you have since joining dignitas. ^_^
edit: Naniwa is pretty bm, has a short fuse, showed unprofessional demeanor before and developed a reputation as a clanhopper. BUT he has cleaned up his act recently, and has performed very well. Second chance etc. etc. so I'll support him.
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On April 13 2011 07:19 Morphs wrote:
Cool interview... but what's up with TLO not liking Naniwa.. did Naniwa do something to upset him or give himself a bad reputation?
Naniwa's early SC2 career is full of BM. His WC3 career was even worse but more of the same: anger management problems, issues with commitment and following the rules, etc. He got kicked out of both ESL and IEM because of too many penalty points.
He's different now but it was a very recent change in attitude. It'll be years before that part of his past can be forgiven and forgotten.
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Naniwa screwed up so much in the past, I don't know if I'd want him in my team house either :/
I mean he moved to Germany to play EPS and then managed to get himself thrown out halfway through the season, that's not exactly professional.
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On April 13 2011 07:21 lool75 wrote:Show nested quote +N: TLO doesn't like me, apparently.. I don't know what to say about that..
I: Really? thats.. So TLO doesn't like you?
N: That's what I've heard at least. That's all I know, I think he said I was bad PR, I understand him but.. bad PR ? the guy went 26-2 at mlg.. unless he´s screaming obscenities at children during tournaments i don´t see what TLO is getting at
It's probably about the reputation of bm he got himself over the years... It's slowly fading but this doesn't go away in a few days or 1 tournament win, it takes time, and each and every anger burst you have reminds people of what used to be.
He showed for quite some time now that he's changed, so it should go away by itself, maybe in a few months
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On April 13 2011 07:19 Morphs wrote:
Cool interview... but what's up with TLO not liking Naniwa.. did Naniwa do something to upset him or give himself a bad reputation?
ohm, who likes Naniwa?
Beside gaming skill there s not much to like about him, if you follow the scene. Skill is enough to win tourneys and some fans, but not enough to earn trust and respect imo
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If TLO is scared Naniwa will be a bad housemate then i understand. But bad PR is a slightly weird reason. It's not like if Naniwa does something bm/stupid it will reflect badly on the people in the gaming house instead of his team Dignitas.
Might be a mistranslation though. Would be helpful if someone can clarify. It's a waste that Naniwa is not in the house skill wise imo.
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If TLO thinks that Naniwa is bad PR, then that might be referring to Naniwa's older days, when he had a bad reputation and was known as kind of a douche...
That being said, I do believe he's turned over a new leaf, and he's sure been playing incredibly well! 
Thanks for the translation!
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nani and lalush should make their own gaminghouse
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I'm starting to like Naniwa, his BM felt like a frustrated kid full of rage, it's not a guy that thinks he is the best and doesn't agree with the outcome (like IdrA). In this interview he seems very mature and maybe humble ?
I hope he does well in the upcoming tournament and I will be cheering for him even thought he is protoss
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I don't know much about Naniwa other than him being extremely good. Why wouldn't TLO like him?
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On April 13 2011 07:27 dtz wrote:
If TLO is scared Naniwa will be a bad housemate then i understand. But bad PR is a slightly weird reason. It's not like if Naniwa does something bm/stupid it will reflect badly on the people in the gaming house instead of his team Dignitas.
Might be a mistranslation though. Would be helpful if someone can clarify. It's a waste that Naniwa is not in the house skill wise imo.
He didin't say why he thought that TLO didin't like him. Only that he's heard that. But, it's quite possibly the "Haunting Past".
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Hmm, it's a bad situation.
If they can't get along there's no point having him there, but on the other hand he's probably the best protoss in Europe so ofc you want to practice with him.
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He's wrong about white-ra having won nothing though. White-ra has won a lot of competitions throughout the year.
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I'd like to see Naniwa climb to Code S. I believe he has the skill to do so.
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Let's not jump to conclusions about the TLO/Naniwa conflict, even Naniwa is not sure at what is going on.
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Thx for translating. Great to see how teamhouses are emerging, i wish i was in one of them.
TLO why so bm? ...
j/k
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I think its obvious that Naniwa has put that shit behind him and is striving to become a legit progamer. He is far better than he's ever been and people are finally starting to give him recognition for it, which probably also helps him change his attitude.
If it's TLO's house then obviously he can pick whomever he wants, but I think he is missing out one of the top 3 EU players by ignoring Nani.
AFAIK Sjow and Nani are also good friends, so it would make sense to invite them both there.
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N: Nah my goal is to be the best and I think Korea is the best way to become the best so to speak. If I can get there and get a chance at code A or code S I'll take it.
RESPECT.
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Yeah Naniwa definitely started to control himself a lot more. He will have to keep behaving for a long time, until he proves that he's not an asshole. Pretty cool, he's a skilled player. Btw. such questions about imbalance are obsolete, every player will defend their race, and if not, it will sound weird.
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TLO has mentioned not liking nani in the past, I dont doubt that there has been some pretty bad bm coming from nani towards TLO in the past, dude used to be so BM. I hope hes changed his ways, hes certainly very good, and I want to believe hes reformed, we will see, of all foreingers atm I think I want to see him in GSL the most, hes so gosu man.
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what about thorzain :< hes imba tT
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What's really weird is that SjoW would live in the teamhouse and not invite his teammate naniwa..
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They could need a strong protoss like him, but i can understand TLO not inviting him. I hated him in wc3-times so much for his behaviour..
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On April 13 2011 07:41 -Strider- wrote:
What does PR means?
public relations
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On April 13 2011 07:41 -Strider- wrote:
What does PR means?
public relations
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The real test of character is whether or not White-ra likes you. If White-ra doesn't like you, then you are the root of all evil. Suprising to read about the TLO thing since TLO is usually so chipper and happy. I guess that would explain why he doesn't like naniwa .
I agree with Naniwa that this tourny would have been better if he was in it.
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On April 13 2011 07:42 Corvi wrote:public relations
So in this case, it means Naniwa's past might overshadow any annoucements or good impressions of the teamhouse.
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Naniwa doesn't seem very well liked in the SC2 pro community,
I dont' care. I like him.
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I wonder if they could go wrong but inviting him in some kind of probationary fashion.
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Where is nani's fanclub? sign me in
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Well, this interview goes to show the bad PR Naniwa delivers. Kind of a cheap shot accusing people like that in interviews, surely not professional. He shouldn't expect years of BM to wash off after a month of good behaviour and a MLG win.
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Nani is fucking incredible lately. I am so impressed both by his talent and his recent change in personality. It takes a lot of commitment to do both.
I understand that he used to be insanely BM but whats the real difference between him and Idra?
Remember when he was called "Onebaseiwa"? Haha it's been a while since the beta
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On April 13 2011 07:53 Saechiis wrote:
Well, this interview goes to show the bad PR Naniwa delivers. Kind of a cheap shot accusing people like that in interviews, surely not professional. He shouldn't expect years of BM to wash off after a month of good behaviour and a MLG win.
Doesn't really matter, does it? All that matters is that he is epicly good at SC2.
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Nani used to live with Cloud in a gaming house in Germany when he was with mym. Words spread very fast and maybe Nani wasn't the best room mate in a shared flat?
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On April 13 2011 07:54 Dudemeister wrote:Nani is fucking incredible lately. I am so impressed both by his talent and his recent change in personality. It takes a lot of commitment to do both. I understand that he used to be insanely BM but whats the real difference between him and Idra? Remember when he was called "Onebaseiwa"? Haha it's been a while since the beta
I am a huge fan of Nani's play and i think it was insane how well he did in MLG. Of course IdrA has a history of BM, getting kicked off TL for a while, and that is why many people do not like him that much. Nani did the same thing, by switching teams Constantly and with getting kicked out of those tourneys, only difference is that Nani wants to be better now, and has done a pretty good job. Of course it takes more than 2 months for people to forget about bm, but if he keeps up the solid play and is a manner player, i am sure that people, TLO included, will not have too much of an issue with him.
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On April 13 2011 07:55 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 07:53 Saechiis wrote:
Well, this interview goes to show the bad PR Naniwa delivers. Kind of a cheap shot accusing people like that in interviews, surely not professional. He shouldn't expect years of BM to wash off after a month of good behaviour and a MLG win. Doesn't really matter, does it? All that matters is that he is epicly good at SC2.
Clearly it does matter if it keeps him out of a gaming house with other good players.
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On April 13 2011 07:55 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 07:53 Saechiis wrote:
Well, this interview goes to show the bad PR Naniwa delivers. Kind of a cheap shot accusing people like that in interviews, surely not professional. He shouldn't expect years of BM to wash off after a month of good behaviour and a MLG win. Doesn't really matter, does it? All that matters is that he is epicly good at SC2.
I'd imagine most of the time it wouldn't matter, but it forming a team house it definitely would. Any drama or tension existing would detract from what they're there to do (play the games!).
If he continues behaving, then I'm sure his efforts will be recognized. But it's hard to expect some bad blood from his behavior in the past to disappear in a one month period.
Anyways, I hope to see good results in the future from naniwa and all of the players in the gaming house!
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naniwa keeps winning and everyone will like him. Sports figures have shown us you can be a total dick but if you keep performing, no one cares.
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I think there's alot more to Naniwa's BM than the public knows, he recently said that he had personal problems that caused him to rage, it's not an excuse, but it does shed a different light on him, than him just being a teenage spoiled brat, like some people tend to think him as. He has to prove himself to the public that he's really changed and he got his act together. I hope he has, because it would be such a waste of talent if his past would hunt him back.
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Can anyone explain me if it's not too much trouble, why is Naniwa seen as a bm, since i've never seen him bm in casts or replays?
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Well it's the same kind of stuff that idra says regularly to this day but the "naniwa is bm" has stuck without most of the haters probably even knowing what has happened.
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On April 13 2011 07:55 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 07:53 Saechiis wrote:
Well, this interview goes to show the bad PR Naniwa delivers. Kind of a cheap shot accusing people like that in interviews, surely not professional. He shouldn't expect years of BM to wash off after a month of good behaviour and a MLG win. Doesn't really matter, does it? All that matters is that he is epicly good at SC2.
Of course it matters, they will be living together... Naniwa is tough to get along with and no matter how good he is at sc2, he's probably not a guy you'd want share a space with. At least that's the impression I get.
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On April 13 2011 08:01 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 07:55 PraetorianX wrote:On April 13 2011 07:53 Saechiis wrote:
Well, this interview goes to show the bad PR Naniwa delivers. Kind of a cheap shot accusing people like that in interviews, surely not professional. He shouldn't expect years of BM to wash off after a month of good behaviour and a MLG win. Doesn't really matter, does it? All that matters is that he is epicly good at SC2. Clearly it does matter if it keeps him out of a gaming house with other good players.
There are much more important considerations than skill when choosing people to live in your house.
NaNiwa is an awesome player. I hope for his sake that his reputation will improve as he gains maturity. He just has so much potential.
I don't think he should go to Korea though, that would be a complete waste of his talent to slave away in a country that is not the most receptive to foreigners and where there is only one decent event every two months. The GOMtv house lacks enough good players for decent practice, he most likely has insufficient connections inside Korea (which is absolutely crucial if you want to get any decent practice training there), and there is also the cultural shock (make no mistake, Korean culture is faaaaaar, far different to Western culture and Korea is definitely not the most receptive to foreigners) and language barrier (normal Koreans do not speak any decent English, even if they "learnt" it in high school). He would slave away on the Korean ladder, which while helpful, would be a complete waste of time compared to what he could be doing in Europe (practice partners, events, family and friends).
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On April 13 2011 08:09 Apolo wrote:
Can anyone explain me if it's not too much trouble, why is Naniwa seen as a bm, since i've never seen him bm in casts or replays or where his bad rep comes from?
Seen him BM some times in casts, but nothing really major. Like whining at roaches after the range buff. A LOT of top players whine after they lose though. He got kicked out of EPS Germany for rescheduling and delaying his matches etc. Probably some BM there too. Nothing major like cheating or anything like that.
Really, he's a guy that has had some unfortunate shit happen to him, most of it probably his own fault, and people judge him like he's some sort of child molester.
Anyways that's my very subjective and uninformed opinion.
Kind of strange of him to tell the truth about the team house like that, most people would dodge that question. But since it's out I think it's sad for naniwa and the others that will live in the house that such a talented gamer wont be able to live and train with the others there.
Ofcourse it is entirely up to TLO who he chooses to live under same roof as. Does seem like it's mostly based on nani's bad rep and not on anything personal between them though.
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On April 13 2011 07:22 venge1155 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 07:19 Morphs wrote:
Cool interview... but what's up with TLO not liking Naniwa.. did Naniwa do something to upset him or give himself a bad reputation? Do you know much about naniwa's past? I am sure there is some info around. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Naniwa
bump cause it seems nobody read the link... read the thread before asking questions people
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Tbh it seem's slightly wierd for him to say that in an interview if he doesn't even know for himself. Now people are like WTH TLO? When he could of had a perfectly fine reason... or not even thought to invite him... is there even a reason that he would be invited? Maybe he just doesn't know him 
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On April 13 2011 08:14 halvorg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 08:09 Apolo wrote:
Can anyone explain me if it's not too much trouble, why is Naniwa seen as a bm, since i've never seen him bm in casts or replays or where his bad rep comes from? Seen him BM some times in casts, but nothing really major. Like whining at roaches after the range buff. A LOT of top players whine after they lose though. He got kicked out of EPS Germany for rescheduling and delaying his matches etc. Probably some BM there too. Nothing major like cheating or anything like that. Really, he's a guy that has had some unfortunate shit happen to him, most of it probably his own fault, and people judge him like he's some sort of child molester. Anyways that's my very subjective and uninformed opinion. Kind of strange of him to tell the truth about the team house like that, most people would dodge that question. But since it's out I think it's sad for naniwa and the others that will live in the house that such a talented gamer wont be able to live and train with the others there. Ofcourse it is entirely up to TLO who he chooses to live under same roof as. Does seem like it's mostly based on nani's bad rep and not on anything personal between them though.
I'm happy there are ppl that aren't just poser gm boys like some people seem to be based on this interview (*cough*iwonderwho). Naniwa isn't afraid to say stuff in "public". I dislike stuff like that "bad PR" and who knows what that happens behind the scenes while pretending to be so good mannered in public more than the occasional "BM" that some people throw out in games.
Especially since it seems he disqualified just cos he had stuff going on and had to reschedule alot.
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aww poor nani, ive always been a huge supporter of his, even through the BM. Hes always been such a solid protoss player. I support you Nani and i always will. Your much better than TLO anyways, ignore his elitist attitude.
not that im not a fan of TLO but Naniwa has really smartened up in the past few months, i think he can go all the way in the Rakaka tournament and make it to korea, such a solid player I wish only the best for him in his future endevors. Also looking forward to seeing him in the NASL obviously :D
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On April 13 2011 08:14 tyCe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 08:01 On_Slaught wrote:On April 13 2011 07:55 PraetorianX wrote:On April 13 2011 07:53 Saechiis wrote:
Well, this interview goes to show the bad PR Naniwa delivers. Kind of a cheap shot accusing people like that in interviews, surely not professional. He shouldn't expect years of BM to wash off after a month of good behaviour and a MLG win. Doesn't really matter, does it? All that matters is that he is epicly good at SC2. Clearly it does matter if it keeps him out of a gaming house with other good players. There are much more important considerations than skill when choosing people to live in your house. NaNiwa is an awesome player. I hope for his sake that his reputation will improve as he gains maturity. He just has so much potential. I don't think he should go to Korea though, that would be a complete waste of his talent to slave away in a country that is not the most receptive to foreigners and where there is only one decent event every two months. The GOMtv house lacks enough good players for decent practice, he most likely has insufficient connections inside Korea (which is absolutely crucial if you want to get any decent practice training there), and there is also the cultural shock (make no mistake, Korean culture is faaaaaar, far different to Western culture and Korea is definitely not the most receptive to foreigners) and language barrier (normal Koreans do not speak any decent English, even if they "learnt" it in high school). He would slave away on the Korean ladder, which while helpful, would be a complete waste of time compared to what he could be doing in Europe (practice partners, events, family and friends).
I dont really agree at all, the fact that Korea even has a foreigner house proves they are quite receptive to foreigners, also the fact that they are working with this tournament in sweden and letting the winner be seeded in to code a wich is another example of them being receptive to foreigners..... Between what i hear on playxp and what i see Gomtv doing for foreigners i dont know where you would get the idea that korea is not being receptive to foreigners. Look at the OGS-Liquid house, another prime example of Koreans being receptive to foreigners, i would say that the western worlds attitude towards koreans is much less receptive (as a whole ) then the koreans attitude towards westerners. On playxp they all seemed so excited about the gomtv WC and where hoping there would be more events like this. All the players were saying they would love to play more with foreigners as well.
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On April 13 2011 08:12 BG1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 07:55 PraetorianX wrote:On April 13 2011 07:53 Saechiis wrote:
Well, this interview goes to show the bad PR Naniwa delivers. Kind of a cheap shot accusing people like that in interviews, surely not professional. He shouldn't expect years of BM to wash off after a month of good behaviour and a MLG win. Doesn't really matter, does it? All that matters is that he is epicly good at SC2. Of course it matters, they will be living together... Naniwa is tough to get along with and no matter how good he is at sc2, he's probably not a guy you'd want share a space with. At least that's the impression I get.
You know him personally? and you know that he is tough to get along with? Hes had a rough past thats no reason to pass judgement on someone you dont even know personally. Honestly if it were me running a team house i would for sure give him a shot, skill>past behaviour up to a certain point and i dont think he has come anywhere near crossing that line.
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Being a progamer relies on sponsors. Sure you can win competitions and earn money that way but who pays for all the flights and hotels? And if you don't win?
Of course manners matter and if you want to be an internaitonal gamer, you should shape up. After all, why do you think TLO is getting major sponsorships even though he has yet to win anything major recently? (No offense)
If you screwed up in the past, then you got to live with it. Be nice to TLO and its up to TLO to forgive and forget. Its not up to you to cry wolf and say how TLO doesn't like you to the press.
I liked Naniwa even though I know he used to BM and 4gate. I still like him, but I think calling TLO out for not liking you cuz YOU BM is a dick move.
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On April 13 2011 07:53 Saechiis wrote:
Well, this interview goes to show the bad PR Naniwa delivers. Kind of a cheap shot accusing people like that in interviews, surely not professional. He shouldn't expect years of BM to wash off after a month of good behaviour and a MLG win.
Who did he accuse and of what?
All he said was that he had heard that TLO didn't like him and that he can understand that. How is that accusing him of anything? At least it isn't to me.
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On April 13 2011 08:46 DecoyOn wrote:
I liked Naniwa even though I know he used to BM and 4gate. I still like him, but I think calling TLO out for not liking you cuz YOU BM is a dick move.
lol...
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On April 13 2011 07:53 Saechiis wrote:
Well, this interview goes to show the bad PR Naniwa delivers. Kind of a cheap shot accusing people like that in interviews, surely not professional. He shouldn't expect years of BM to wash off after a month of good behaviour and a MLG win.
He does indeed seem to lack tact.
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Aww, I would live in a pro gaming house with you, Naniwa. You wouldn't improve very much though. 
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TLO doesn't to be living with a potentially volatile personality. it doesn't matter what type of talent Naniwa has. when you are living with someone, you want to have at least tolerable personalities within the group and Naniwa is considered too much of a risk.
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On April 13 2011 08:41 cheesemaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 08:12 BG1 wrote:On April 13 2011 07:55 PraetorianX wrote:On April 13 2011 07:53 Saechiis wrote:
Well, this interview goes to show the bad PR Naniwa delivers. Kind of a cheap shot accusing people like that in interviews, surely not professional. He shouldn't expect years of BM to wash off after a month of good behaviour and a MLG win. Doesn't really matter, does it? All that matters is that he is epicly good at SC2. Of course it matters, they will be living together... Naniwa is tough to get along with and no matter how good he is at sc2, he's probably not a guy you'd want share a space with. At least that's the impression I get. You know him personally? and you know that he is tough to get along with? Hes had a rough past thats no reason to pass judgement on someone you dont even know personally. Honestly if it were me running a team house i would for sure give him a shot, skill>past behaviour up to a certain point and i dont think he has come anywhere near crossing that line.
I don't know him personally but TLO does and it seems like he doesn't want him in the house. So I guess there's some reasoning behind that.
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well not sure being in a team house with naniwa will help that much =p
sjow apparently went 0-10 against naniwa when he was warming up for his 1st round dh match against huk
and that - dh spoiler -
+ Show Spoiler +probably put sjow on tilt and he lost 1st game very very quickly due to some uncharacteristic blunder.
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On April 13 2011 08:49 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 07:53 Saechiis wrote:
Well, this interview goes to show the bad PR Naniwa delivers. Kind of a cheap shot accusing people like that in interviews, surely not professional. He shouldn't expect years of BM to wash off after a month of good behaviour and a MLG win. He does indeed seem to lack tact.
You also read a transcribed verion...
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Maybe it's just me but I feel like if you're a serious progamer who cares about improving as much as possible, then you can't not want Naniwa training with you in your house. He might be bm, but he's the most skilled player that the Sweden house could possibly have, so I don't think his personality should matter that much. It's like even if you dislike IdrA or Naniwa's personality, how could you not jump at the possibility of training with them all day since they're so good?
But yeah, I can definitely see why it would suck to have someone living with you whose personality clashes with yours, but I still don't think it should matter that much if your whole livelihood pretty much depends on your sc2 skill level.
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On April 13 2011 09:02 dtz wrote:well not sure being in a team house with naniwa will help that much =p sjow apparently went 0-10 against naniwa when he was warming up for his 1st round dh match against huk and that - dh spoiler - + Show Spoiler +probably put sjow on tilt and he lost 1st game very very quickly due to some uncharacteristic blunder.
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Glad to see that he has great teammates who are standing up for him. I mean, they are 3 teammates from Sweden and they cut the best one out before even giving him a chance. That would be like if you are a group of friends and one of the guys in the group doesn't like something with another guy in the group, so the whole group cut one of the guys off. How nice is that?
-_-
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Seems like a few people need to lay off Nani. I really don't care about how he was BM 5 years ago playing a game I didn't follow (and I'm sure most people who call him out didn't even watch WC3.) The dude was like 15.. I'm sure you guys were snotty little 15 year olds too back then, but you guys aren't
"e-famous" so you got away with it.
I can't believe there ins't more interest in a player who has shown more raw talent in the past couple months than more of the players we see in every tournament. Nani Fighting!!
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I consider him the best Swede ATM. GL bro.
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On April 13 2011 07:21 Frallan wrote:
Naniwa have had a pretty dark past. But in the last couple of months he's actually gotten himself together. Would be weird if TLO haven't noticed this. I think there's also something else.
'Pretty dark past' makes it seem like Naniwa's a reformed mass murderer or something...
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Even though I love Naniwa's gameplay and don't mind his personality, his PR skills really indeed are terrible.
My fav was the short interview with him at MLG
http://i.imgur.com/nKYA1.jpg
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Everyone can knock on Naniwa all they want, but I'll give credit where it's due. He had a bad reputation in the past and has definitely cleaned up. Sure he's not a perfect role model and does in fact lack some tact when it comes to interviews, but he definitely seems to be improving his public image as well as his tournament performances. Here's to hoping he keeps this trend up.
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Naniwa probably was going thru puberty n teeny mood swings, but seems to have pulled it together and is on path to becoming a Maniwa
Good luck
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He doesn't act very clever in interviews, but one thing is overlooked so far:
He wants to compete in Korea!
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I consider the HDH a pretty major tournament that White-rA won.
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That was in beta, back than Tester was the best player in the world alongside Fruitdealer and Makaprime... alot has changed since than, alot.
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People need to get over this whole... "OMG BUT NANIWA DOMINATED MLG." Yes he had an amazing performance at MLG and congratulations to him. This is something that has been in the works for awhile so Nani's MLG performance came after all things were decided. In addition, Nani has had a bad reputation in the past and although he has been behaving better, he does still bm. In addition, I don't think TLO wants to live with someone who has shown that they are very temperamental. Finally, even if things are perfectly translated there are things lost from words to text and language to language.
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On April 13 2011 10:56 bokchoi wrote:
In addition, Nani has had a bad reputation in the past and although he has been behaving better, he does still bm.
Who cares?
Have you guys tried to explain BM to friends who don't play Starcraft? All my friends gamers or not think I'm ABSOLUTELY RETARDED for even mentioning that a player was rude. BM is good for Starcraft, lets create more rivalries! Let the team's fans get all worked up just like in traditional sports.
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Naniwa better than all ze people in the house anyway he should train with the ukraine people or find some Korean team to train with since he wants to go dominate over there, I heard Startale was looking for more foreigners ^_^
GO NANIWA, I'M A FAN!
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I don't know, Nani is getting alot of heat for "accusing" TLO for not liking him, but saying "i don't think he likes me" doesn't really feel like an accusation. Everyone could understand why TLO doesn't like Nani and I highly doubt nani intended called TLO out at all. He wasn't like "TLO is an ass because he's a dick to me" or anything. Just a sincere expression how he felt TLO felt about him.
I think that if he continues to mature, be less angry and get over his BM he could be a really respectable player. Naniwa fighting i suppose
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On April 13 2011 09:51 HoMM wrote:Even though I love Naniwa's gameplay and don't mind his personality, his PR skills really indeed are terrible. My fav was the short interview with him at MLG http://i.imgur.com/nKYA1.jpg
On stage infront of croud
He had cameras on him
Not his native language
You can't blame him for keeping it short.
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On April 13 2011 09:02 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 08:49 travis wrote:On April 13 2011 07:53 Saechiis wrote:
Well, this interview goes to show the bad PR Naniwa delivers. Kind of a cheap shot accusing people like that in interviews, surely not professional. He shouldn't expect years of BM to wash off after a month of good behaviour and a MLG win. He does indeed seem to lack tact. You also read a transcribed verion...
You don't have to read the autographed version to note that Nani called out TLO in an interview, of which he has only hearsay about the situation. This is not a lack of tact, it is very, very poor.
If you have a problem with someone, you go to them, not the world.
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I feel really bad for Naniwa. He was forced out of his house because he played warcraft so much, dropped out of school, and now so many people hate him he's like the one kid left out .
I dunno, he might have anger issues, but I feel like he's not really a bad person, just a product of circumstances and those circumstances building on more circumstances.
Oh well. At least he still plays videogames for a living .
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Naniwa has more fans than he thinks he has. Keeep on keepin on
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Having been on 6 different teams since the release of StarCraft 2 does require some skill.
With that said I really like this interview. It was honest and up front. I don't think less of Naniwa for mentioning the team house issue in the interview, nor do I think less of TLO for possibly not wanting to share an apartment with a certain person.
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Good interview and I like his views on the cry of Balance.
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Haha TLO saying Naniwa is bad PR. And then Naniwa saying he understands him :p
Despite the bad PR i reckon Naniwa would be an insane practice partner to have; also i think he has calmed down a lot lately.
Thanks for the translation!!
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I think nani would be perfect for any top level house. He has no other choice but esport so he works the hardest which makes him one of the best. nani hasn't even been bming at all ever since he joined dignitas
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Wow this thread has rlly shown me how many people are new to the rts scene. There all riding the nani waggon and dont understand TLO.
Nani = Great player shitty person thats basicly it
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In SC2, skill comes first and foremost imoho. Of course personality and other traits is helpful too. Both in terms of getting fans and promoting eSports. But in the end, I wouldn't respect MC the way I do if it wasn't for that he had the skills to back up his claims and behavior. He's the best so it's okay for him to be honest about it.
Eh, anyway..can't really force them to live together with the guy. Gotta be some other reasons than just bad PR though.
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Maybe TLO just doesn't like losing in practice? ^^
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what name did naniwa use in warcraft3? i dont remember seeing hoorai.naniwa or fnatic.naniwa
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On April 13 2011 07:28 LastMan wrote:
nani and lalush should make their own gaminghouse
Haha that's such a good idea
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Aww, common, I'm not TLO's biggest fan here but we're basing TLO's supposed "BM" on what Naniwa thinks might be a reason. It might be true, but even nani doesn't know, he's just speculating.
If they don't get along, they shouldn't live together. A Swedish house would be awesome though.
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I was cheering for him to go undefeated at MLG Dallas. If his goal is to go to korea to play in GSL than I really doubt living in the same house with TLO matters that much at the end of the day.
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The difference is, Nani has definitely turned over a new leaf compared to his former self. It's too bad that he got left out, if he wanted to be a part of it. Maybe they will change their minds, I mean hell, If his teammate Sjow is there you'd think he mighit be allowed as well.
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I think the people in the house was decided way earlier than most people here think. As in before he joined dignitas and before he improved so much.
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Glad to see a foreigner with the guts to play in the GSL.
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On April 13 2011 07:53 Saechiis wrote:
Well, this interview goes to show the bad PR Naniwa delivers. Kind of a cheap shot accusing people like that in interviews, surely not professional. He shouldn't expect years of BM to wash off after a month of good behaviour and a MLG win.
I can't quite see how anything in that interview was a cheap shot, he said what he knew, nothing more. He also seemed quite humble, especially towards the end.
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I duno, i didn't follow naniwa too much until recently. Where I saw his games in GCPL and MLG. Personally, I believe he definitely has established himself as one of the best foreign players.
HOWEVER, I see two problems with naniwa preventing him from being recognized as a player.....like how Idra, Jinro and White-ra are being recognized.
First of all, from what i read, he has a pretty bad record. I'm not saying that means he's still a terrible person, I mean, he was what? 16? Being kicked out of your house and school, making a living playing computer games? Ouch.
It's fair to say that he was still a kid, and everything he did CAN be forgived........if you can clean up his image and prove to everyone that he has changed.
I mean, look at him and Idra. They are both well-known for BM, but the reception of these two players are completely different. Idra BMs, but everyone knows, besides that he's very professional and serious about the game. But Naniwa's problem is on a different level, being late for matches and just completely misses them shows everyone u don't care. That's different from just trash talks.
But yeah, I still hope he can put his shit together, he should if he wants to realize his full potential as an awesome player.
On the other hand......from his interviews here and in MLG, I just felt this troubled young man who lacks some social skills. You can see his excitement and passion about the game, look at the moment when he beated kiwi in MLG final game......that's not an "it's ok" reaction, that's a "FUCK YEAH" reaction. It's just that he doesn't really know how to express them with words. Poor Nani
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Seriously people shouldn't think about the past too much, especially if you know the circumstances in which he behaved the way he did. I can only try to imagine how hard it is to get kicked out of home and school and when gaming is the "only thing" left you take your bad mood into the game.
I'm really sad for him not having a chance to join this european progaming house,because skillwise he definetely deserved it. Also if some of you talk about professionalism, the manager of this european house (afaik TLO?) has to consider Nani, because like I said skillwise he is a MUST.
I can't follow the PR-argumentation aswell, because like someone said "any PR is good PR". Also I think no one will like the european progaming house less, because of Nani who has a bm past.
Personally I would love to see Nani having a chance to live there and prove that he isn't that bm anymore.
Btw I also think some european players are rly bm towards him nowadays. Can't remember who he faced but in one BDL match his opponent provoked him so bad and Nani just blocked him instead of trashtalking back.
Best wishes to Nani!!
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On April 13 2011 16:08 Graupe wrote:
Seriously people shouldn't think about the past too much, especially if you know the circumstances in which he behaved the way he did. I can only try to imagine how hard it is to get kicked out of home and school and when gaming is the "only thing" left you take your bad mood into the game.
I'm really sad for him not having a chance to join this european progaming house,because skillwise he definetely deserved it. Also if some of you talk about professionalism, the manager of this european house (afaik TLO?) has to consider Nani, because like I said skillwise he is a MUST.
I can't follow the PR-argumentation aswell, because like someone said "any PR is good PR". Also I think no one will like the european progaming house less, because of Nani who has a bm past.
Personally I would love to see Nani having a chance to live there and prove that he isn't that bm anymore.
Btw I also think some european players are rly bm towards him nowadays. Can't remember who he faced but in one BDL match his opponent provoked him so bad and Nani just blocked him instead of trashtalking back.
Best wishes to Nani!!
Adults know that actions have consequences. If Nani has changed he will understand that he is now suffering the consequences of his own actions. Just because he's been acting more nice lately and won MLG Dallas doesn't mean his past is erased. That will happen gradually over time.
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I think most important for Naniwa now, is just to contintue in this new "good" path for a period of time, and then ppl will change there attitude towards him. He needs to prove hes matured. Maybe then TLO will allow him in.
Just pure speculation tough as everything else in this thread, hehe
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lol, love the way he is antagonized because of clan hopping and bm like it actually matters.
the only thing players should be punished about is cheating, end of list.
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[QUOTE]On April 13 2011 15:35 twisted03 wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 13 2011 07:53 Saechiis wrote:
Well, this interview goes to show the bad PR Naniwa delivers. Kind of a cheap shot accusing people like that in interviews, surely not professional. He shouldn't expect years of BM to wash off after a month of good behaviour and a MLG win.[/QUOTE]
EDIT: invalid argument
Saying TLO does not like him, or thinks he's bad PR, even if true, which probably is, the healthy attitude would be to not speak to it, as you can notice in this thread, some ppl are calling out TLO on this one.
Naniwa was in another teamhouse a couple of months ago with Cloud and maybe s1 else, and menaged to get himself kicked form the league he competed in and went to that house to be able to do so. He left then simply, and if i remember CLoud's words correctly he didnt even say anything, or clean up the mess after himself.
Would you want him in ur house after incidents like that, cuz he won an MLG, and havent called anyone a waste of oxygen in a major league in the past month?
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What are you talking about? There is a link on the main page announcing the house. And what do you mean with "healthy attitude?" He answered what impression he had about the situation, I don't see what's wrong with that. And I do remember Cloud talking about Nani leaving and what you wrote is true, but you left out the part where Cloud spoke well of Naniwa.
I'm not saying they should be obligated to invite him, but come on, at least try to give people a second chance.
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if i remember correctly, a few years ago naniwa said he was acting out because he was homeless and getting kicked out of school. takes a special kind of person to do something like that. seems like he didn't change either.
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On April 13 2011 18:22 nihlon wrote:
What are you talking about? There is a link on the main page announcing the house. And what do you mean with "healthy attitude?" He answered what impression he had about the situation, I don't see what's wrong with that. And I do remember Cloud talking about Nani leaving and what you wrote is true, but you left out the part where Cloud spoke well of Naniwa.
I'm not saying they should be obligated to invite him, but come on, at least try to give people a second chance.
Huh, i wonder how i missed that then, i stand corrected
Though my other 2 points stand imo, by healthy attitude i mean professionalism. Saying TLO does not like him created drama, antagonizes him, in my opinion. He got asked an unconfortable question, the kind that you ought to dodge a bit
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Umm Naniwa is more accomplished than TLO at the moment. While I understand the hype and attentions around TLO, pure skill wise Naniwa would be a great team mate to have. Someone who developed on his own and actually won tournaments with impressive records.
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On April 13 2011 18:43 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 18:22 nihlon wrote:
What are you talking about? There is a link on the main page announcing the house. And what do you mean with "healthy attitude?" He answered what impression he had about the situation, I don't see what's wrong with that. And I do remember Cloud talking about Nani leaving and what you wrote is true, but you left out the part where Cloud spoke well of Naniwa.
I'm not saying they should be obligated to invite him, but come on, at least try to give people a second chance. Huh, i wonder how i missed that then, i stand corrected Though my other 2 points stand imo, by healthy attitude i mean professionalism. Saying TLO does not like him created drama, antagonizes him, in my opinion. He got asked an unconfortable question, the kind that you ought to dodge a bit
Yeah maybe, he was probably bummed out about it though, so you can't really blame him for mentioning it. It'd be nice to hear if TLO has anything to say about it though, cuz this is just speculations and it's awfully one sided.
Either way they invited Maven to the house, who on air appearantly hadn't heard that there was a tournament called MLG, and thought WhiteRa had only played MC once.. it's the kind of stuff that's been a head liner on TL.. For anyone even slightly interested in the starcraft community it's almost impossible to miss. Imo it'd be better for PR to invite Naniwa instead. It might be something personal though, so what do I know.
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The plan is probably to have Maven do some videos and stuff from the house to promote it a bit.
Naniwa also made some comments after being banned from ESL, that TLO got special treatment and dident get penelty points when he missed a deadline, and that he got to play more games then everybody else in the qualifier.
That might be one of the reasons TLO doesnt like him... I dunno.
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On April 13 2011 19:11 Klaent wrote:
Naniwa also made some comments after being banned from ESL, that TLO got special treatment and dident get penelty points when he missed a deadline, and that he got to play more games then everybody else in the qualifier.
That might be one of the reasons TLO doesnt like him... I dunno.
Considering the reputation of ESL, it would not suprise me if this was true. Anyway, I hope Naniwa will keep on playing and keep on winning and go to korea.
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I don't see why people overreact about the naniwa and tlo thing. Teamhouse you live 24/7 with other players, so Damn well better be sure that you at least like eachother a bit. I wouldn't invite anyone I didn't like. Bad atmosphere leads to bad training environment
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You'd have to ask TLO guys.
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Here it my take:
Nani; due to personal issues with is family (beeing thrown out of the house) and probably other stuff aswell, he got a name for himself in WC3 and beginning of SC2 to be a douche. He was instable, raging alot and not following tournament rules (basically not keeping times).
He has since then (rather recently) publicly asked for forgivness for his previous behaviour and said that he will change. And he obviously have changed although the effect on the community have not really kicked in yet; many still see him as a BM douche while in fact he is far from the person he used to be, hes not more BM than most other players atm.
In addition he seems a bit akward when in the spotlight (and I think many can relate to that), so his "PR" skills and tact (as seen in the comment about TLO that most ppl would have realised probably isnt a smart thing to say in an interview; although not BM or "evil", just unstrategical) may not help him; but that only make me feel more for the guy, he is trying to become a better person and he has alot of things to overcome. But personaly I have changed my mind about him and I dont regard him as badly as I used to, I wish him the best and hope that he continues the way he has, and the community will embrace him sooner or later.
TLO: But no shadow should fall on TLO either (If that speculation was true). Deciding who to live with is a much bigger question than just skill in SC2; and it takes some integrity to actually stand up for yourself even though you might hurt other ppls feelings. I have a lot of friends that I love, but that I wouldnt necessarily want to share living with unless I had to.
To sum up:
1. This "thing" of TLO/Nani much more drama than substance; give it a rest.
2. Nani is trying to change his Public Image, most likely because he as a person and his situation have changed, even though it dosent come easy for him; give him a chance.
Edit: Btw if you watch the interview you cant help to feel for the guy And even if you dont know swedish, at 3.40 he makes the remark about TLO and that he kind of understands why TLO would think its PR; I think the facial expression says it all.
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On April 13 2011 19:42 Inori wrote:
are people asking "what's wrong with Nani?" for real? You really don't know what's wrong with him? Have you completely missed beta and first few months of retail?
Naniwa is so bad mannered he makes Idra look like an angel. He openly offended his opponents, casters, tournament admins and whoever else got in his way whenever he felt like it. He's the guy that could refuse to play a game just because there's a caster and tell tournament admins to go to hell when they ask him to start.
Seriously he's so bm I'd wish he would just disappear completely from the scene.
I fully support TLO on this.
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On April 13 2011 19:42 Inori wrote:
are people asking "what's wrong with Nani?" for real? You really don't know what's wrong with him? Have you completely missed beta and first few months of retail?
Naniwa is so bad mannered he makes Idra look like an angel. He openly offended his opponents, casters, tournament admins and whoever else got in his way whenever he felt like it. He's the guy that could refuse to play a game just because there's a caster and tell tournament admins to go to hell when they ask him to start.
Seriously he's so bm I'd wish he would just disappear completely from the scene.
I fully support TLO on this.
this!
and you cant expect people to cahnge their mind about you from 1 to another second. he has to prve. and he has to do this for a long time. he has been BM for years. he cant just say: "I changed, no everyone love me. Instantly!" i think if naniwa will prove himself to be an adult for some more moth he could get the invite for this house. but i wouldnt get him in there until he has proven not being a dick over a period of a year.
and i gotta say that he still didnt learn how to act properly when you read this interview.
to those who say he has to get in the house cause of his still: would you invite someone who BMed for years and didnt show any respect to anybody to live with you 24/7? i wouldnt and you would not too.
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On April 13 2011 19:46 Inori wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 19:43 Seronei wrote:On April 13 2011 19:42 Inori wrote:
are people asking "what's wrong with Nani?" for real? You really don't know what's wrong with him? Have you completely missed beta and first few months of retail?
Naniwa is so bad mannered he makes Idra look like an angel. He openly offended his opponents, casters, tournament admins and whoever else got in his way whenever he felt like it. He's the guy that could refuse to play a game just because there's a caster and tell tournament admins to go to hell when they ask him to start.
Seriously he's so bm I'd wish he would just disappear completely from the scene.
I fully support TLO on this. Was Oh, so 1 month of keeping his month shut (wow, what an achievement) and winning MLG means everyone should suddenly forget all the BM he did? No thanks, he should take full responsibility for his actions.
Forgive, not forget. Has been way more than 1 month.
He got kicked out of ESL and MYM because of how he acted, personally I think that's enough.
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Hmm, interesting to read about Naniwa's youth. I never knew that and gives me a lot of sympathy for him. I already liked him a lot though. After the EPS situation I feel it gave him the strength to just sit down and become a legend. He was already mad pimping but that period sure contributed to his current level.
I don't know how the house works but if TLO is the one in charge, I don't think that's good. It shouldn't be a player but I think I'm reading this wrong so it doesn't matter anyway.
For Naniwa I think it would be so good to be able to live in the house. If the stories about his youth are true that should explain the majority of the attitude. He needs love and belonging (Maslow's hierachy of needs), living together will allow him to satisfy this need.
However, I feel it's very inappropriate to speak out about something like that in an interview because it literally stirs up a rockus as is already taking place. I just hope he did it intentionally and the community feedback will allow him get reevaluated for the house. TLO is such a pleasant person I feel he will be strong enough to rise above any issues from the past and allow Naniwa to better himself and develop.
Best of luck to everyone.
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Frankly this was a minor thing compared to how the swedish casters openly made fun of Whiteras english not to mentio that they made fun of his general apperance in what must have been a unplanned cam switch
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On April 13 2011 17:57 leser wrote:
lol, love the way he is antagonized because of clan hopping and bm like it actually matters.
the only thing players should be punished about is cheating, end of list.
Yeah, why would sponsors care about good representation by their players.
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On April 13 2011 19:48 Tppz! wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 19:42 Inori wrote:
are people asking "what's wrong with Nani?" for real? You really don't know what's wrong with him? Have you completely missed beta and first few months of retail?
Naniwa is so bad mannered he makes Idra look like an angel. He openly offended his opponents, casters, tournament admins and whoever else got in his way whenever he felt like it. He's the guy that could refuse to play a game just because there's a caster and tell tournament admins to go to hell when they ask him to start.
Seriously he's so bm I'd wish he would just disappear completely from the scene.
I fully support TLO on this. this! and you cant expect people to cahnge their mind about you from 1 to another second. he has to prve. and he has to do this for a long time. he has been BM for years. he cant just say: "I changed, no everyone love me. Instantly!" i think if naniwa will prove himself to be an adult for some more moth he could get the invite for this house. but i wouldnt get him in there until he has proven not being a dick over a period of a year. and i gotta say that he still didnt learn how to act properly when you read this interview. to those who say he has to get in the house cause of his still: would you invite someone who BMed for years and didnt show any respect to anybody to live with you 24/7? i wouldnt and you would not too.
Just watch the interview, and you can see he was not beeing a dick. Its all in the heads of ppl who ALLREADY dont like him. At 3.40 he make the remark about TLO, ill translate it;
Q; Why will you not live with them?
A; TLO dont like me, I dont know what to say about that.
Q; TLO dont like you?
A; Thats what Ive heard anyway, thats all I know. He said it would be bad PR I think. I understand him I guess but...
[Interviewer tactfully changes subject]
He looks really sad, not angry or "dickish".
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On April 13 2011 19:42 Inori wrote:
are people asking "what's wrong with Nani?" for real? You really don't know what's wrong with him? Have you completely missed beta and first few months of retail?
Naniwa is so bad mannered he makes Idra look like an angel. He openly offended his opponents, casters, tournament admins and whoever else got in his way whenever he felt like it. He's the guy that could refuse to play a game just because there's a caster and tell tournament admins to go to hell when they ask him to start.
Seriously he's so bm I'd wish he would just disappear completely from the scene.
I fully support TLO on this.
Why are you saying "is"?
He hasn't been bad mannered this year even as far as I know, and the tournament he got kicked out of was in october LAST YEAR.
I can see that there are personal reasons, and I don't think it's any of my, or anyone's business, but your post is pretty insane.
It'd be like claiming MC is horribad, because in the beta, and in sc:bw, he wasn't considered good at all.
It seems like you've just woken up from a coma that you fell into in the fall of 2010.
It's april 13th of 2011 dude..
A person can mature over half a year, it's pretty common. Especially when it comes to internet BM -.-'
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Naniwa is shaping up to be pretty manner lately. I think it's a mistake on their part, having possibly the best foreign protoss in the house would obviously benefit them tremendously.
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On April 13 2011 20:04 hifriend wrote:
Naniwa is shaping up to be pretty manner lately. I think it's a mistake on their part, having possibly the best foreign protoss in the house would obviously benefit them tremendously.
I have a feeling that TLO said this like 5 months ago or so when they started planning for the house and who would live in it, don't think he would refuse him now. But who knows.
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On April 13 2011 19:57 Beyonder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 17:57 leser wrote:
lol, love the way he is antagonized because of clan hopping and bm like it actually matters.
the only thing players should be punished about is cheating, end of list. Yeah, why would sponsors care about good representation by their players.
Let the sponsors in question worry about that, you don't have to worry for them.
Btw Naniwa didn't bad mouth TLO at all, only thing he said was that he was sad that TLO didn't seem to like him. How terrible of him.
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On April 13 2011 19:57 s031720 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 19:48 Tppz! wrote:On April 13 2011 19:42 Inori wrote:
are people asking "what's wrong with Nani?" for real? You really don't know what's wrong with him? Have you completely missed beta and first few months of retail?
Naniwa is so bad mannered he makes Idra look like an angel. He openly offended his opponents, casters, tournament admins and whoever else got in his way whenever he felt like it. He's the guy that could refuse to play a game just because there's a caster and tell tournament admins to go to hell when they ask him to start.
Seriously he's so bm I'd wish he would just disappear completely from the scene.
I fully support TLO on this. this! and you cant expect people to cahnge their mind about you from 1 to another second. he has to prve. and he has to do this for a long time. he has been BM for years. he cant just say: "I changed, no everyone love me. Instantly!" i think if naniwa will prove himself to be an adult for some more moth he could get the invite for this house. but i wouldnt get him in there until he has proven not being a dick over a period of a year. and i gotta say that he still didnt learn how to act properly when you read this interview. to those who say he has to get in the house cause of his still: would you invite someone who BMed for years and didnt show any respect to anybody to live with you 24/7? i wouldnt and you would not too. Just watch the interview, and you can see he was not beeing a dick. Its all in the heads of ppl who ALLREADY dont like him. At 3.40 he make the remark about TLO, ill translate it; Q; Why will you not live with them? A; TLO dont like me, I dont know what to say about that. Q; TLO dont like you? A; Thats what Ive heard anyway, thats all I know. He said it would be bad PR I think. I understand him I guess but... [Interviewer tactfully changes subject] He looks really sad, not angry or "dickish".
Like others said: This talk has no place in an interview. If he feels sad its ok - no its Good! HE has to feel sad cause he realizes that he did a lot of major mistakes. Talking about personal differences or presenting other in "no good light" aint what you do if you're that famous. This can be seen as BM and other people will curse at the TLO (in that case). Thats what i wanted to say. I already recognised Naniwa being sad while reading (its pretty obvious i think).
But my point is that he has to show this cahnge for a long timeto prove him being an adult. I dont even know if he said he was sorry to those he BMed (the important ones: ESL, casters like Take, or especially Cloud whom he left all alone without any words). Maybe I missed it but it would be a good start.
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On April 13 2011 20:23 Tppz! wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 19:57 s031720 wrote:On April 13 2011 19:48 Tppz! wrote:On April 13 2011 19:42 Inori wrote:
are people asking "what's wrong with Nani?" for real? You really don't know what's wrong with him? Have you completely missed beta and first few months of retail?
Naniwa is so bad mannered he makes Idra look like an angel. He openly offended his opponents, casters, tournament admins and whoever else got in his way whenever he felt like it. He's the guy that could refuse to play a game just because there's a caster and tell tournament admins to go to hell when they ask him to start.
Seriously he's so bm I'd wish he would just disappear completely from the scene.
I fully support TLO on this. this! and you cant expect people to cahnge their mind about you from 1 to another second. he has to prve. and he has to do this for a long time. he has been BM for years. he cant just say: "I changed, no everyone love me. Instantly!" i think if naniwa will prove himself to be an adult for some more moth he could get the invite for this house. but i wouldnt get him in there until he has proven not being a dick over a period of a year. and i gotta say that he still didnt learn how to act properly when you read this interview. to those who say he has to get in the house cause of his still: would you invite someone who BMed for years and didnt show any respect to anybody to live with you 24/7? i wouldnt and you would not too. Just watch the interview, and you can see he was not beeing a dick. Its all in the heads of ppl who ALLREADY dont like him. At 3.40 he make the remark about TLO, ill translate it; Q; Why will you not live with them? A; TLO dont like me, I dont know what to say about that. Q; TLO dont like you? A; Thats what Ive heard anyway, thats all I know. He said it would be bad PR I think. I understand him I guess but... [Interviewer tactfully changes subject] He looks really sad, not angry or "dickish". Like others said: This talk has no place in an interview. If he feels sad its ok - no its Good! HE has to feel sad cause he realizes that he did a lot of major mistakes. Talking about personal differences or presenting other in "no good light" aint what you do if you're that famous. This can be seen as BM and other people will curse at the TLO (in that case). Thats what i wanted to say. I already recognised Naniwa being sad while reading (its pretty obvious i think). But my point is that he has to show this cahnge for a long timeto prove him being an adult. I dont even know if he said he was sorry to those he BMed (the important ones: ESL, casters like Take, or especially Cloud whom he left all alone without any words). Maybe I missed it but it would be a good start.
I think you seem a bit too upset my friend Why are you so agitated?
Its just a kid that you have never met, in a far away country where youve never been, trying to become a better person. HE is not pretending everyone loves him (or should love him), rather the opposite; he believes most dont and maybe for good reason.
He dosent HAVE to do anything to "prove he is an adult" as defined by you, simply because he dosent have to answer to YOU or any of the other haters; all he has to do is trying to be the best he can be and se how far it takes him; Haters will still be haters no matter what he does.
But there are alot of fence-sitters and they are starting to see another side of Nani, as I have, and I think that makes up the majority of the community; ppl that dont give much of a f*** about past transgressions aslong as you repent and change.
Its more important who you are today then who you where, aslong as you regret what youve done eveyone deserves a second chance. Im a firm believe in that.
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On April 13 2011 20:23 Tppz! wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 19:57 s031720 wrote:On April 13 2011 19:48 Tppz! wrote:On April 13 2011 19:42 Inori wrote:
are people asking "what's wrong with Nani?" for real? You really don't know what's wrong with him? Have you completely missed beta and first few months of retail?
Naniwa is so bad mannered he makes Idra look like an angel. He openly offended his opponents, casters, tournament admins and whoever else got in his way whenever he felt like it. He's the guy that could refuse to play a game just because there's a caster and tell tournament admins to go to hell when they ask him to start.
Seriously he's so bm I'd wish he would just disappear completely from the scene.
I fully support TLO on this. this! and you cant expect people to cahnge their mind about you from 1 to another second. he has to prve. and he has to do this for a long time. he has been BM for years. he cant just say: "I changed, no everyone love me. Instantly!" i think if naniwa will prove himself to be an adult for some more moth he could get the invite for this house. but i wouldnt get him in there until he has proven not being a dick over a period of a year. and i gotta say that he still didnt learn how to act properly when you read this interview. to those who say he has to get in the house cause of his still: would you invite someone who BMed for years and didnt show any respect to anybody to live with you 24/7? i wouldnt and you would not too. Just watch the interview, and you can see he was not beeing a dick. Its all in the heads of ppl who ALLREADY dont like him. At 3.40 he make the remark about TLO, ill translate it; Q; Why will you not live with them? A; TLO dont like me, I dont know what to say about that. Q; TLO dont like you? A; Thats what Ive heard anyway, thats all I know. He said it would be bad PR I think. I understand him I guess but... [Interviewer tactfully changes subject] He looks really sad, not angry or "dickish". Like others said: This talk has no place in an interview. If he feels sad its ok - no its Good! HE has to feel sad cause he realizes that he did a lot of major mistakes. Talking about personal differences or presenting other in "no good light" aint what you do if you're that famous. This can be seen as BM and other people will curse at the TLO (in that case). Thats what i wanted to say. I already recognised Naniwa being sad while reading (its pretty obvious i think). But my point is that he has to show this cahnge for a long timeto prove him being an adult. I dont even know if he said he was sorry to those he BMed (the important ones: ESL, casters like Take, or especially Cloud whom he left all alone without any words). Maybe I missed it but it would be a good start.
well i guess, he would apologize for some mistakes, TLO would not have something against nani in the house, cause TLO is nice, i guess
lets just hope he stays like he is NOW (not bm) , so he can be part of that house with TLO morrow and Sjow
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On April 13 2011 20:32 s031720 wrote:I think you seem a bit too upset my friend Why are you so agitated? Its just a kid that you have never met, in a far away country where youve never been, trying to become a better person. HE is not pretending everyone loves him (or should love him), rather the opposite; he believes most dont and maybe for good reason. He dosent HAVE to do anything to "prove he is an adult" as defined by you, simply because he dosent have to answer to YOU or any of the other haters; all he has to do is trying to be the best he can be and se how far it takes him; Haters will still be haters no matter what he does. But there are alot of fence-sitters and they are starting to see another side of Nani, as I have, and I think that makes up the majority of the community; ppl that dont give much of a f*** about past transgressions aslong as you repent and change. Its more important who you are today then who you where, aslong as you regret what youve done eveyone deserves a second chance. Im a firm believe in that.
Oh sorry. I'm not upset ^.^ DIdnt want to make someone feel I am 
Sure he doesnt have to prove him not being BM anymore but that should be his aim. I'm not hating him - its just that i dont think people wont forgive him being soo harsh that fast (or should).
And still thinking of the content we're talking about (not being invited to the team house) i just wanted to lighten up why TLO maybe doesnt like Naniwa to be in "his" house.
And I have to agree (and i think you're saying the same like me before): "ppl that dont give much of a f*** about past transgressions aslong as you repent and change."
Dunno why we are arguing at all right now :D
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I feel sorry for Naniwa that he was not invited to the house but in all honesty, I understand that tlo and the others made the call. Yes he is improving, yes he is working hard, yes i am starting to like him more. Is he still a liability to live with 24/7 for-sure-.
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Too much speculations going on in this thread .
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Yeah, can't really confirm that TLO even said that guys.. It might as well just be that TLO and the three others do really well together and they found an appartment for 4 persons and they would like to live together..
Morrow could do the same and say: "Im not apart of it, even though I live in sweden already, TLO must not like me"
OR - You just have a case of four friends who want to live together and train together because they have a really good chemistry..
Haven't you ever done something with a couple of your friends because you felt like doing it, even though you have 20 friends in total? Because you only chose to watch a movie or whatever with 2 out of your 20 friends, dosn't mean that you hate the other 18 and don't want anything to do with them..
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On April 13 2011 21:38 Naniwa wrote:Too much speculations going on in this thread .
That's what we do, stirring up drama is our #1 hobby.
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Wish him luck in his upcoming tournaments, I'll be seeing him at Columbus!
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On April 13 2011 21:45 ELA wrote:
Yeah, can't really confirm that TLO even said that guys.. It might as well just be that TLO and the three others do really well together and they found an appartment for 4 persons and they would like to live together..
Morrow could do the same and say: "Im not apart of it, even though I live in sweden already, TLO must not like me"
OR - You just have a case of four friends who want to live together and train together because they have a really good chemistry..
Haven't you ever done something with a couple of your friends because you felt like doing it, even though you have 20 friends in total? Because you only chose to watch a movie or whatever with 2 out of your 20 friends, dosn't mean that you hate the other 18 and don't want anything to do with them..
Yeah I think the problem is that many of us start to think of progamers just as progamers, and not as much as people.
On April 13 2011 21:38 Naniwa wrote:Too much speculations going on in this thread .
Yeah, as always
Go kick some ass for us in Korea man. Foreigner GSL champion fighting!
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Naniwa in Korea dot it ! :D
One of the few players that could dominate there, he's a foreign MC.
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On April 13 2011 22:00 MrCon wrote:
Naniwa in Korea dot it ! :D
One of the few players that could dominate there, he's a foreign MC.
It's like Luke Skywalker against Darth Vader man
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On April 13 2011 21:38 Naniwa wrote:Too much speculations going on in this thread .
Nani keep it up bro! See you soon in Korea.
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I want to start with saying that my impression of Naniwa has not been the best previously. MLG did not really change that impression, except for me realizing that he is indeed a really fine player.
But after this and other interviews of him, I am more than ready to give him a second chance.
(Oh, and by the way, I did hear the original interview in Swedish, but the translation is also pretty accurate. Though the first question is more like: "have you seen all the games", not "any".)
Somebody wrote something about "Adults know that actions have consequences" and I think Naniwa has realized just this. I mean, from what I've read he has had a somewhat "troubled past" and my impression of the TLO/player house thing is that he can understand that it still affects his reputation, but also regrets past mistakes. Sure, calling out TLO might not have been the most tactful thing to do in an interview, but he also said that it was just what he had heard.
Seems like he is lately trying to improve not only his playing skills, but also his behaviour and trying to be a better person. If he keeps doing that, then he is indeed worthy of respect. Personally, I hope and believe that he will. I might be wrong, but I hope not...
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perhaps Idra is bad PR too? Let's ask Incontrol about that...
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On April 13 2011 14:34 Nifel wrote:
In SC2, skill comes first and foremost imoho. Of course personality and other traits is helpful too. Both in terms of getting fans and promoting eSports. But in the end, I wouldn't respect MC the way I do if it wasn't for that he had the skills to back up his claims and behavior. He's the best so it's okay for him to be honest about it.
Eh, anyway..can't really force them to live together with the guy. Gotta be some other reasons than just bad PR though.
the difference is: MC is actually a reeeeaaaally cool dude, if you have heard him drunk blabbering on i think jinros stream. or if you have seen his rap and dance from his bw days. he acts tough in public, but he is a stable person.
and believe me, in such a competitive environment as a teamhouse, you dont want to have someone that might POSSIBLY cause problems. it can throw everyone off their game if they have to deal with stupid crap.
i totally respect tlos decision, i would have done the same.
P.S.: I thought the interview was really nice and i dont fault naniwa for stating, politely, that he doesnt know why he wasnt invited, but that he understands the decision.
And regarding something that was also said in the thread: there is only room for so many "nice guys" and goofballs in a sport. TLO took that spot. other players will have to find their own niches to market themselves (look at idra, mc). Naniwa will find his place, but that he has to deal with his sometimes erratic personality is neither unfair nor stupid. esports is not only skill, but also marketability. its a mix between entertainment and competition and both parts have to be present in a player for him to make it big
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Haven't you heard the phrase "Any PR is good PR"?
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He is at it again, look at NASL drama, this what hurt him in IEM league
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On April 13 2011 07:18 sob3k wrote:
Sjow/Morrow/Jinro/Naniwa would be a pretty badass house
Yes! Pretty sweet mix of races aswell, they would undoubtedly emerge as better players if that would ever become a reality.
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