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On February 03 2011 19:01 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote: What I always found odd is that the psychological community generally is very critical towards stuff like Myers-Briggs and 'emotional intelligence', but at the same time all stand firmly behind the notion of 'IQ' and 'IQ tests'. I mean, IQ tests are as reproducible as cannon rushes and lack any constructive value. There are people who score phaenomenal at IQ tests but have accomplished nothing intellectually, and the reverse. My cents are that IQ tests, and the entire notion of 'IQ', the supposed metre on 'intelligence' are as pseudo-scientific as Myers-Briggs or 'emotional intelligence'. Uhm, IQ tests predict performance in education job performance very well. There is no other instrument that predicts as well as a good intelligence test (not even a very, very expensive assessment centre matches the IQ test in general). What does emotional intelligence predict? I like how you mention some individuals with a high IQ that do not perform well... We're talking populations here, norm groups. No offence, but you are pretty clueless on this subject. | ||
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speedphlux
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Meborg
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ESTP Terran Diamond Percentages are: 67 56 41 56 IQ tests measure the ability to perform on IQ tests. That ability correlates somewhat with performance, but it's nowhere near absolute. Myers Briggs has got some predictive validity, but it's culture bound. I really cannot recommending using a tool that is designed on a specific region for a global research project. The norms for certain typologies differ per region, which means that you will never be able to make valid conclusions if you continue your research in this fashion. | ||
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SugarBear
United States842 Posts
The thing about Myers-Briggs-Jung is that each category is assigned a weight as well. For example, I am 50% introverted/extroverted. I think this study would be far more interesting if you got actual data from a qualified test proctor and showed how strongly weighted toward each category people are. | ||
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On February 03 2011 23:18 SugarBear wrote: Hmmm. The thing about Myers-Briggs-Jung is that each category is assigned a weight as well. For example, I am 50% introverted/extroverted. I think this study would be far more interesting if you got actual data from a qualified test proctor and showed how strongly weighted toward each category people are. I believe that with the way the MBTI works The 'weighting' is actually not the amount of the quality that you have. If you get 90% introversion, you are not 90% introverted. It's actually an expression of the degree of confidence you have in your preference. So in this example you would be 90% confident that your preference is introversion over extraversion. I must say these statistics are pretty interesting. It's interesting to see what personality types are under-represented compared to the general population such as ESFJ's/ESFP's. Not really surprising that online gaming underrepresents them however. Also you would expect a greater proportion of T's given that males are more often T (i believe studies have shown that 2/3rds of males favour T or thereabouts) and there are obviously a greater number of males than females on this forum and playing starcraft. | ||
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Phinix
United States116 Posts
On February 03 2011 16:05 Gnial wrote: I was looking at your spreadsheet, and something that you may want to add is how each personality type is divided between races. For instance: ENTJ: 75%P, 25%Z, 0%T + Show Spoiler + The reason for this that some personality types are much larger than others. In the current system you have, for Protoss, ENTJ makes up 18%. That doesn't seem like much - until you realize that literally 66% of ENTJs in your data are Protoss. I was looking at some of the other entries, and it seems like most ENTJ's love protoss. Damn straight boys! Edit: If there are a lot of ENTJ's, and most of the ENTJ's are protoss, that could help explain why there are so many protoss guides and replay packs on TL. Someone brought that suggestion up on Bnet and I definitely intend to make it one of the early analysis scripts. It will be very easy to do once we have MySQL carrying the data! I like the speculation relating to guides and replay packs! Interesting assessment. On February 03 2011 15:24 GypsyBeast wrote: for some reason ESTP is not on your list :/ for whats it worth it says im Extraverted Sensing Thinking Perceiving maybe i did somthing wrong. The first analysis was from the first 37 entries. I'm sure there are more ESTPs in the data by now; I just need to update everything. It may not be completely up to date until the weekend. We're trying to multitask and get a viable automation going, so we don't have to lose sleep during the project. :-) On February 03 2011 21:35 Meborg wrote: IQ tests measure the ability to perform on IQ tests. That ability correlates somewhat with performance, but it's nowhere near absolute. Myers Briggs has got some predictive validity, but it's culture bound. I really cannot recommending using a tool that is designed on a specific region for a global research project. The norms for certain typologies differ per region, which means that you will never be able to make valid conclusions if you continue your research in this fashion. Many people have expressed concern over the validity and accuracy of Myers Briggs. To start this project, we're going to stick with MB - its fairly widespread and easy to understand. Eventually it would be phenomenal if we could enlist some assistance from someone experienced with psychometric data; to help generate a short survey focusing on the SC2/Gamer niche, instead of the cultures Myers Briggs more often applies to. | ||
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Silmakuoppaanikinko
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On February 03 2011 21:13 Beyonder wrote: Is there a unit for accuracy of job prediction? Is there a unit for performance in education?Uhm, IQ tests predict performance in education job performance very well. I studied physics, I can predict the path electrons will take in an electric field down to femtometric precision, furthermore, I can quantify the uncertainty of my measurements in hard units and account exactly how much they leak through. You will pardon my snobbish elitism I hope when what I learnt actually has to do with bloody hard numbers and irrefutable stone cold mathematics rather than this creative interpretation of results. There is no other instrument that predicts as well as a good intelligence test (not even a very, very expensive assessment centre matches the IQ test in general). There isn't, so what?IQ tests are still ridiculously poor at it. If you take an IQ test the next day the result can be a whole standard deviation different. It's not at all unlikely that if I take it today, it will be 97, if I take it tomorrow, it will be 112. Furthermore, the test itself is also relevant, the selection of questions into it and so on. Imagine if they tried to measure the mass of the W/Z-bosons and were like 'Yeah, it's totally 80 GeV', and they try again the next day and are then like 'Okay, now it's 97 GeV' What does emotional intelligence predict? Very little, just as IQ. a 'high emotional intelligence' bears some correlation with a succesful carreer and love life later on. Just as a 'high IQ' bears some correlation with academic results. There are however a very significant amount of people which have a low result on IQ tests and enjoyed a lot of academic success, and the reverse.I like how you mention some individuals with a high IQ that do not perform well... We're talking populations here, norm groups. No offence, but you are pretty clueless on this subject. And this is exactly why it's not science.You can see an average in everything. I can devise a test right now to measure intellect. It works quite simple, you take a metre, and you measure someone's length, the higher the length, the more intelligence. And I'm willing to bet my butt that this test averagely indeed correlates with academic results and corporate success. It's in fact already been established that for some reason longer people seem to enjoy more of it (not to mention that we have the confounder that good food and milieu at childhood not only encourages length but also intelligence). So, is my test now some indicator of intelligence? No, of course not. And this is why it's pseudoscience, you need some absolute pattern, or at least a very, very, very strong correlation to be able to start saying these things. This is why physics is free of such pseudo-scientific gibberish, because shit in physics is absolute. You don't take silly averages and norms, your theory must apply in every single case, there are no exceptional situations. If they do occur, its your job to find out why they would occur and adjust your theory to encompass them. It's complete pseudoscience, if it's only an average, how can you know that what IQ tests do is not simply measure some other variable like confidence? You need confidence to submit an academic paper or to apply to a university? How do you know IQ tests don't simply measure motivation or what-not. It could measure a thousand other things than intelligence if you just works in averages, there could be a zillion hidden confounders which you can't rule out. And this still ignores the fact that IQ tests are as reproducible as a cannon rush. Take the test tomorrow, and the result will be completely different, take a different IQ test at the same time, and its result will also be different. And then people say 'Yeah, but it measures the moment, your intelligence at the point you make the test.', and maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, but the point is that you can never hope to falsify or verify that idea. Maybe it does measure the moment, or maybe the test just has a very bad signal to noise ratio, you cannot ever demonstrate it either way, and as such it's pseudo-science. | ||
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Phinix
United States116 Posts
I took a breather last night to hang out with the wifey. I'm hoping to get everything current by tonight (PST timezone). My goal for the next analysis crunch is to have new output data posted by this weekend. I'm guessing we're around 400 submissions now, which should give us some much more well rounded results than that initial run! | ||
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LunarC
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