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uSnAmplified
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1029 Posts
February 16 2011 18:40 GMT
#761
On February 17 2011 03:01 magha wrote:
Argh, really hated Idra's zerg whine tbh. That's why I prefer coaches like Sheth who don't make their opinions about balance so obvious. I watch this series to try and improve, not to hear Idras demoralizing speeches.
It may be demoralizing but its true, and he gave a lot of insight on ZvP so the balance talk really did not bother me, and it shouldn't bother you either unless you believe it to be true yourself.
~
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-17 00:33:23
February 16 2011 20:00 GMT
#762
On February 17 2011 03:01 magha wrote:
Argh, really hated Idra's zerg whine tbh. That's why I prefer coaches like Sheth who don't make their opinions about balance so obvious. I watch this series to try and improve, not to hear Idras demoralizing speeches.


Would you rather stick your head in the sand? I always appreciate IdrA's candid opinions. Thanks for sharing Bitter, great stuff.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
February 16 2011 20:59 GMT
#763
On February 17 2011 03:01 magha wrote:
Argh, really hated Idra's zerg whine tbh. That's why I prefer coaches like Sheth who don't make their opinions about balance so obvious. I watch this series to try and improve, not to hear Idras demoralizing speeches.


I really try to avoid balance talks... Granted some of it came up last night, but it was faaaaar from being even a tertiary focus on the show.

Like him or not, the insights Idra offers are tremendous. The depth of his knowledge is really pretty fascinating, and having him on at all is a privilege.
Neivler
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Norway911 Posts
February 16 2011 21:03 GMT
#764
Shit, the Idra videos are up? I got to watch this asap!!!1
I pwn noobs
Neivler
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Norway911 Posts
February 16 2011 21:27 GMT
#765
On February 16 2011 23:52 eksert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2011 22:03 Alpina wrote:
Mr. Bitter, I remember you was talking with Sheth and he said how risky is to expand first on ZvZ on scrap. And I am wondering how can I punish fast expanding zerg, I think you didn't ask him that. Because each time I go 14/14 and he goes FE, he just goes roaches, so I can't be agressive and I am at a disadvantage.


Actually ret FE's with 15 hatch 15 pool on scrap. And he won against a 14 ext /14 sp sling/bling MorroW at this weekend.

You can find awesome replays of Ret vs Morrow in sc2rep.net or sc2rep.com.



14 pool is a bit late. If you go 13 pool it is a bit harder for the FE zerg
I pwn noobs
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
February 16 2011 23:53 GMT
#766
More idrA in about 7 hours. Don't miss it doods!
navy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada197 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-17 00:05:34
February 17 2011 00:04 GMT
#767
ty so much for providing this opportunity for the zerg community mr bitter, especially the Idra sessions.

as for Idra's balance comments, I can see where he's coming from.

He played what was in many ways a perfect game, albeit a very safe game, and had no advantage or way to pull ahead. I feel like Idra wants to be able to win without doing some sort of backstab drop moves or risky play, just with perfect macro.

In some ways it really does make a statement about the state of zvp because he did play a near perfect macro game and still couldn't overcome the protoss, despite being bases up.
I think it might mean that you truly cant win by just playing safe once the skill level gets high enough.

looking forward to tonight
Franchise
Profile Joined December 2010
United States10 Posts
February 17 2011 04:51 GMT
#768
bump. thanks bitter!
nanoscorp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1237 Posts
February 17 2011 04:52 GMT
#769
Looking forward to Idra's ZvT advice!
PD
Profile Joined July 2010
Norway66 Posts
February 17 2011 05:22 GMT
#770
Thanks to mrBitter, and a huuuuge thanks to the gracken, it helps my zerg immensely to understand your mindset.
Solo operative, right?
BFCrimson
Profile Joined August 2010
United States176 Posts
February 17 2011 08:40 GMT
#771
Great video tonight with Idra and Lz, very interesting use of infestors vT that really shows the insane micro of these pro players
Stil
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom206 Posts
February 17 2011 09:01 GMT
#772
Great show tonight - I really especially liked the Idra match. I love your infestor style, but seeing it in Greg's hands was an extra special treat <3 Can't wait till tomorrow's games!
Deception-35
Profile Joined February 2011
United States113 Posts
February 17 2011 09:41 GMT
#773
Where did he upload that replay at?
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
February 17 2011 09:43 GMT
#774
On February 17 2011 18:41 Supernatural35 wrote:
Where did he upload that replay at?


http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/140681-1v1-terran-zerg-xelnaga-caverns
Deception-35
Profile Joined February 2011
United States113 Posts
February 17 2011 09:45 GMT
#775
On February 17 2011 18:43 MrBitter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2011 18:41 Supernatural35 wrote:
Where did he upload that replay at?


http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/140681-1v1-terran-zerg-xelnaga-caverns


Thank you!
telfire
Profile Joined May 2010
United States415 Posts
February 17 2011 10:30 GMT
#776
No VOD yet or am I blind?
ABOOMAN
Profile Joined October 2010
Burma156 Posts
February 17 2011 10:49 GMT
#777
On February 17 2011 09:04 navy wrote:
ty so much for providing this opportunity for the zerg community mr bitter, especially the Idra sessions.

as for Idra's balance comments, I can see where he's coming from.

He played what was in many ways a perfect game, albeit a very safe game, and had no advantage or way to pull ahead. I feel like Idra wants to be able to win without doing some sort of backstab drop moves or risky play, just with perfect macro.

In some ways it really does make a statement about the state of zvp because he did play a near perfect macro game and still couldn't overcome the protoss, despite being bases up.
I think it might mean that you truly cant win by just playing safe once the skill level gets high enough.

looking forward to tonight



Idra said himself that drops and backstab plays is how Z supposed to be played in theory. However in reality drops are terrible against protoss. Its just too hard to deal enough damage, well placed canons and warp can nullify any small/medium zerg drop force, not to mention that P always have an option to herp a derp a move counter your base because you are splitting your forces and his deathball will absolutely roll over your weakened army.

And if you are going for a massive drop its almost a all-in everytime, even with speed upgrade overlords are goddamn slow and get picked off very easily


Personally i would love to see the whole zerg drop stuff buffed either by lowering the cost of the upgrade/faster research time and faster overlord movespeed. Its really underused now and not because ppl are lazy to do it but because its super expensive and almost never pays off
lolo
Ihle
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway36 Posts
February 17 2011 10:50 GMT
#778
The vod is on bliptv
ineedadrink
Profile Joined January 2011
United States108 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-17 16:04:59
February 17 2011 16:04 GMT
#779
On February 17 2011 18:43 MrBitter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2011 18:41 Supernatural35 wrote:
Where did he upload that replay at?


http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/140681-1v1-terran-zerg-xelnaga-caverns


Wow you know watching that live I wondered how he deflected that blue flame helion aggression so easily, after watching the demo it really looked like the +1 carapace made the difference.
Bamm
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden279 Posts
February 17 2011 16:05 GMT
#780
This is sick !!!!!! GJ MAN
Bamm and the dirt is gone!
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