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Eschaton
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
February 08 2011 04:40 GMT
#681
On February 08 2011 07:22 Gunman_csz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2011 05:11 MrBitter wrote:
On February 08 2011 04:18 decaf wrote:
week 6 will be ZvR ^^
Nerchio talking about his 3 races :D


Guess again!

Gonna be so much more epic than that!


Whole week dedicated for IdrA?


this is me getting nerd chills
leb
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada126 Posts
February 08 2011 05:46 GMT
#682
On February 05 2011 16:39 MrBitter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2011 16:14 leb wrote:
First off, thanks for doing this, we all really appreciate it.

I rarely tune in live and usually just watch the VODs so I don't really get the opportunity to ask any questions. Lately something's been driving me insane about 4gate and I was hoping you may have an answer for me:

Now that phoenixes are more popular, we're seeing alot more 1base phoenix builds. It's typically 1 or 2 gates followed by a stargate and 4 phoenixes. The protoss doesn't need to take his gas early, he'll often save energy to chrono warpgate + phoenixes and he makes a zealot followed by a stalker. On top of all that, the phoenixes come out at around the 6:30-7:00 minute mark. I think you see what I'm getting at... I'm unable to differenciate both builds and a smart player will place the buildings in a way that your overlord won't see it before it dies. Just when I thought 4gates weren't an issue for me anymore, I find myself in a situation where I can't figure out if I should drone or make units.

Is this something you've discussed with your coaches? If not, could you please ask at some point? I'm tilting hard lately

thanks


This one's easy.

Sure, you're blind for a little bit, but you should be expecting something fishy. It's ok to say to yourself "oh shit, I'm get 4-gated", and to make your normal reaction... The thing about 4 gate, though, is that if that attack doesn't come relatively quickly, you'll know he's up to something else.

So if it looks like 4 gate, but he never attacks, and he never expands, he's obviously teching. It might sound a little strange at first, but as you play against this stuff more and more, you'll develop a feel for it...

In either case, even if you're blind until you see the phoenixes, you should still be ok. There's no reason to not get 3 queens these days, and once the phoenixes are shown, you can continue with queen production while adding a spore or two to each mineral line, droning heavily, and hitting your normal mid-game.

Just don't freak out and make a bunch of hydras. Toss is trying to dictate your mid-game tech so that he can hard-counter it with colossi. Stick to your roach/corruptor foundation, and you should be able to come out ahead.

I've started doing this and it's definitely easier to deal with whatever toss opens up with, thanks. There's still a few things that are giving me trouble, like when they get voids with a 3gate push instead of phoenixes, but I don't think it's that complicated to figure out.

I know it's not part of the metagame anymore, but will you be touching on the subject of forge first into offensive cannon? Most protosses I face don't do it right so it's easily dealt with but when it's done right I feel like it's unstoppable.
lowlypawn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States241 Posts
February 08 2011 09:00 GMT
#683
I just wanted mention how much I am enjoying your channel, thanks Flabulous! The guests I was most impressed with so far have been Catz and Sheth:

Catz! That guy was awesome, I really liked his approached the game, he didn't let any preconceived notions hold him down.

Sheth was also awesome! I didn't know what to expect but I was very impressed after watching. He was doing things that even Mr Bitter thought were impossible. I was just VERY impressed by this guy (I know I said that twice, that's how impressed I was ).

I havent watched StrifeCo yet, I just watched the session with Keyboard, that was hilarious. I also like whenever iNcontroL is on. Anyway keep up the great work!
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
February 08 2011 14:36 GMT
#684
ZvP has gotten much much better for me since last week's 4gate lessons, and now I can't wait to watch yesterday's stuff with strifercrow. I caught the end and the level of analysis and logic explanation that he was doing is incredible, this is my weakest matchup right now. Love the contributions bitter, please keep it up!
tealc
Profile Joined October 2010
109 Posts
February 08 2011 19:54 GMT
#685
None of the ZvZ lessons have touched the topic of avoiding the ling/baneling microfest and the viability of using a such builds as 1base roach, which allows the game to progress safely to a more standard ZvZ with roaches. Also, it would be great to have CatZ on more often.
Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
February 08 2011 20:12 GMT
#686
Tonight Incontrol is going to attend the show am I right?
"I am a beacon of knowledge blazing out across a black sea of ignorance. "
Logginurkeyz
Profile Joined September 2010
United States375 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-08 22:05:10
February 08 2011 20:52 GMT
#687
EG.iNcontroL on the show in a few minutes! Tell your friends and watch the VOD later!

It would appear a miscommunication =0X
Jemag... Jemag... you're like an alcoholic telling me why you drink... you have your reasons, but it's still bad... <3 iNcontroL
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
February 08 2011 20:54 GMT
#688
I hope not! I am not at home o_O
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
February 08 2011 22:33 GMT
#689
So Geoff and I got our wires crossed for tonight. I fail at scheduling sometimes. Completely my bad.

Apologies to you folks, but don't fret! We'll be back tomorrow night with Sheth, and Thursday with Machine!
brotosterone
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States260 Posts
February 08 2011 22:35 GMT
#690
thanks for doing this series mr bitter _
Stil
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom206 Posts
February 08 2011 23:07 GMT
#691
No stream at all tonight mr bitter? If not have fun and catch ya later
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
February 08 2011 23:10 GMT
#692
Yea, since no show tonight, I'm gonna' take the night off and have dinner with my girlfriend.

=)

We'll be back in action tomorrow.
err
Profile Joined July 2010
54 Posts
February 08 2011 23:29 GMT
#693
Looking forward to the ZvZ episodes as it is my worst matchup.

Hopefully you can show how to hold off a FE to Zerg's one base crap. Thanks MrBitter!
eu.xen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany352 Posts
February 08 2011 23:41 GMT
#694
Oh nice Sheth tomorrow. Saw his stream today, one of the best streams and he explains so much while playing. Great stream and glad he comes on your show bitter!

Too bad incontrol if of course BUSY with his BIG project again.
Railxp
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Hong Kong1313 Posts
February 09 2011 02:20 GMT
#695
please have my babies
~\(。◕‿‿◕。)/~,,,,,,,,>
Calm
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada380 Posts
February 09 2011 23:37 GMT
#696
I just wanna thank you guys for this stream. This has definitely improved me as a gamer. I don't think there has been a single person on who hasn't taught me something huge. I think this stream is just as important to zerg players as Day[9] is to SC2 players is generally, if not more.
kaisr
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada715 Posts
February 10 2011 01:59 GMT
#697
On February 10 2011 08:37 Calm wrote:
I just wanna thank you guys for this stream. This has definitely improved me as a gamer. I don't think there has been a single person on who hasn't taught me something huge. I think this stream is just as important to zerg players as Day[9] is to SC2 players is generally, if not more.


way more IMO and I like day[9] a lot, but this stream is much more specific and at a much higher level in general.
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
February 10 2011 05:44 GMT
#698
Tonight's VOD:
http://mrbitter.blip.tv/file/4745853/
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
February 10 2011 19:15 GMT
#699
Is it true that a whole week is dedicated to idra? That is going to be insanely epic :D
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
r3clay
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands137 Posts
February 10 2011 20:57 GMT
#700
how dyou pay for all of this?!:| u rich baller
U Mad Bro?
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