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Semirhage
Profile Joined September 2010
44 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 03:07:13
December 14 2010 03:06 GMT
#21
I believe showing information in game is considered cheating, but not audio. This is why SC2Gears has a low APM audio warning I think.
Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
1237 Posts
December 14 2010 06:42 GMT
#22
On December 14 2010 11:59 kef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 11:35 Wargizmo wrote:

Have it log keystrokes and be able to set it up to respond to those - for example the player could set it so that if you havn't typed "BS" for 40 seconds it will remind you to build a depot, if you haven't hit "4S" in the last 20 seconds it will remind you to train an SCV.


I think if it logs your keystrokes that would be considered as cheating, because it reacts to your playing. Having a metronome or playing to a song to get into rhythm though doesn't react according to your playing so i don't think that would be considered cheating



Not really, it's not modifying the game in any way and it's no more cheating than having someone stand behind you monitoring your worker and supply production and reminding you.

legatus legionis
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands559 Posts
December 14 2010 06:55 GMT
#23
I think it's legal and can definitely help with reminding you to build workers. However I believe that when something costs or someone puts in a lot of mental effort and hard work to learn, the result will be a much better understanding of it then when you only learn it upto a minimum and can just "reproduce" it. Therefore I'd say that it might be harmful for those that really wanna get it ingrained in their systems. Another argument relates to effort, this kind of thing can make a person think, sweet easy my problem is solved. Removing part of the effort and focus required to reach excellence. And if it fails or turns out it will require more it can have a negative effect on their mental state. Just something to keep in mind for those thinking of using it, it is a crutch. One day you'll have to walk without them.
Creegz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada354 Posts
December 14 2010 06:57 GMT
#24
I like this. I think it's a pretty good idea. It sounds stupid with Microsoft Michelle, having Day[9] do it would be funny, especially if he sounded all panicky and stuff like "WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?!?! BUILD AN SCV! CHECK MONEY! CHECK FOOD! AND CHECK THE MAP" or the option of calm Day[9] where he is like "Okay, build SVC's, check money, check your food, and check the map" that would be pretty cool. Microsoft Michelle makes me tense after a while, makes me think of something like Skynet.
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Yergidy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2107 Posts
December 14 2010 07:04 GMT
#25
So basically it's gonna be like this lol:


Nice idea btw I know a few people this would help greatly.
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Skrelt
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands306 Posts
December 14 2010 19:03 GMT
#26
Nice tool, i like it alot. What would be nice if i could select some zerg 1's aswell. Some larvaspit, OV, Creepspred, etc. (alot more then terran, i hope it is posible).

I dont know if it is cheating but it helps alot to me, Thx dude ^^
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SifySify
Profile Joined November 2010
19 Posts
December 14 2010 21:44 GMT
#27
Bump for - how to customize your sounds.
Quzzie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden25 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 21:46:36
December 14 2010 21:46 GMT
#28
Oohh! I haven't been able to play for some time. This will probably help me get on track with "probes and pylons" faster! Awesome thanks! =)
Gemini_19
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1258 Posts
December 14 2010 21:47 GMT
#29
On December 14 2010 11:15 SifySify wrote:
I see I need to clarify this.
I haven't looked at the policy cause I didn't thought that it will be an issue and intuitively it shouldn't - the program does nothing more than play 4 wav files over and over reminding you what to do. So nothing that is not achievable with Winamp (if you are willing to edit audio files to add silence in between). For that part I can provide everyone with the source code.

Also - if anyone has a link to anti-hacking policy so I can look at it, please share. I can't seem to Google it straight up.


Think of it this way...

If you can't use it when you play in a LAN tournament, then it most likely is illegal.
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Rabbitmaster
Profile Joined August 2010
1357 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 22:01:34
December 14 2010 22:00 GMT
#30
Sounds nice, ill definitely try it out. The thought has actually cross my mind so simple make a sound recorded with me saying something to remind myself of all these things then like 20 secs of silence and just looping it, but this seems more convenient.
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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
December 14 2010 22:04 GMT
#31
On December 15 2010 06:47 Gemini_19 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 11:15 SifySify wrote:
I see I need to clarify this.
I haven't looked at the policy cause I didn't thought that it will be an issue and intuitively it shouldn't - the program does nothing more than play 4 wav files over and over reminding you what to do. So nothing that is not achievable with Winamp (if you are willing to edit audio files to add silence in between). For that part I can provide everyone with the source code.

Also - if anyone has a link to anti-hacking policy so I can look at it, please share. I can't seem to Google it straight up.


Think of it this way...

If you can't use it when you play in a LAN tournament, then it most likely is illegal.

GOM doesn't let you bring girls into the booth with you; doesn't mean I can't have them under my desk while I'm laddering.
GoldenH
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1115 Posts
December 16 2010 04:27 GMT
#32
On December 14 2010 15:57 Creegz wrote:
I like this. I think it's a pretty good idea. It sounds stupid with Microsoft Michelle, having Day[9] do it would be funny, especially if he sounded all panicky and stuff like "WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?!?! BUILD AN SCV! CHECK MONEY! CHECK FOOD! AND CHECK THE MAP" or the option of calm Day[9] where he is like "Okay, build SVC's, check money, check your food, and check the map" that would be pretty cool. Microsoft Michelle makes me tense after a while, makes me think of something like Skynet.


You should make it based on your APM, the higher your APM the chiller Day[9] would become, until when you reach 300 APM then Liquid`Tyler will step in and show you how it's done.
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KillerPlague
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1386 Posts
December 16 2010 04:33 GMT
#33
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167747

someone has thought of this before, but awesome if you can get day9 to do it lol.
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Beagle23
Profile Joined August 2008
Australia52 Posts
December 16 2010 05:55 GMT
#34
I made something similar after watching the Day9 + DJWheat episode

http://www.mediafire.com/?hc7j6h6g2rgll8m

I personally found it too distracting to be practical in-game but found that I actually enjoy just listening to it. I also suspect that if you listened to it while you slept every night you'd have amazing dreams and your subconcious starcraft-fu would improve drastically.
Soulish
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1403 Posts
December 16 2010 06:22 GMT
#35
wouldn't it get horribly out of time though? Since it gets a little bit off every time it reminds you
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silencesc
Profile Joined July 2010
United States464 Posts
December 16 2010 07:12 GMT
#36
On December 14 2010 11:17 origamiXD wrote:
This could be more harmful than useful, it might cause you to grow a dependence on this program to do well.



I don't think so. The looping will only reinforce the "checklist" imo, though dependence would be bad. Maybe after people start using it they can say if it's hard to play without it?

I agree, Day[9]'s voice making love to my eardrums AND coaching the probes/pylons would be almost as good as cheese being a banable offense. :D
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Arun
Profile Joined November 2010
United States56 Posts
December 16 2010 07:24 GMT
#37
Great tool, I'm sure some of the players who struggle with macro will find it very useful.
Skrelt
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands306 Posts
December 16 2010 07:26 GMT
#38
On December 16 2010 13:33 KillerPlague wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=167747

someone has thought of this before, but awesome if you can get day9 to do it lol.


would be awesome if you didnt put music in it imo. i like to listen to my own music as it calms me down and i can play more focusd.


On December 16 2010 16:12 silencesc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 11:17 origamiXD wrote:
This could be more harmful than useful, it might cause you to grow a dependence on this program to do well.



I don't think so. The looping will only reinforce the "checklist" imo, though dependence would be bad. Maybe after people start using it they can say if it's hard to play without it?

I agree, Day[9]'s voice making love to my eardrums AND coaching the probes/pylons would be almost as good as cheese being a banable offense. :D


i used it for 20 game, and after 20 games i played a bit better. So atleast it works for me personaly think its a bit depenable on the persoon aswell. Day9 would btw be a total baller (ofc he is that allready, but ok) if he helped you with the voice thing lol.
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.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 07:37:57
December 16 2010 07:37 GMT
#39
Awesome idea. I will use this.

On December 15 2010 06:47 Gemini_19 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 11:15 SifySify wrote:
I see I need to clarify this.
I haven't looked at the policy cause I didn't thought that it will be an issue and intuitively it shouldn't - the program does nothing more than play 4 wav files over and over reminding you what to do. So nothing that is not achievable with Winamp (if you are willing to edit audio files to add silence in between). For that part I can provide everyone with the source code.

Also - if anyone has a link to anti-hacking policy so I can look at it, please share. I can't seem to Google it straight up.


Think of it this way...

If you can't use it when you play in a LAN tournament, then it most likely is illegal.


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Bear4188
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1797 Posts
December 16 2010 07:45 GMT
#40
On December 15 2010 06:47 Gemini_19 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 11:15 SifySify wrote:
I see I need to clarify this.
I haven't looked at the policy cause I didn't thought that it will be an issue and intuitively it shouldn't - the program does nothing more than play 4 wav files over and over reminding you what to do. So nothing that is not achievable with Winamp (if you are willing to edit audio files to add silence in between). For that part I can provide everyone with the source code.

Also - if anyone has a link to anti-hacking policy so I can look at it, please share. I can't seem to Google it straight up.


Think of it this way...

If you can't use it when you play in a LAN tournament, then it most likely is illegal.


It's a coaching tool, not a hack. It's more illegal to use than it is to have a coach, both of which aren't allowed in the GOM booth during a game.
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