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Confirmed: iNcontrol to compete in GSL3 - Page 4
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Chesner
Iceland817 Posts
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Raine
Canada210 Posts
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MythicalMage
1360 Posts
On November 08 2010 14:51 dcemuser wrote: I'm surprised nobody mentioned this... but the most EPIC part of this is going to be if he makes it and ARTOSIS commentates his matches. Oh, sweet, sweet revenge. Here's hoping for a "Who is Incontrol?" discussion before Incontrol gets steamrolle by [insert Korean pro we've never heard of's name] | ||
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DaRkFrosT
United States407 Posts
On November 08 2010 14:53 robertdinh wrote: I honestly don't think incontrol is good enough currently to go deep into GSL. But I think he has every right to go after his dreams. These early GSLs are specifically designed for that purpose. Unfortunately the korean scene isn't very forgiving to protoss. I have to disagree. Being in the Korean programing environment can really improve a player, TREMENDOUSLY. Just look at how Jinro improved. | ||
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MythicalMage
1360 Posts
On November 08 2010 14:57 DaRkFrosT wrote: I have to disagree. Being in the Korean programing environment can really improve a player, TREMENDOUSLY. Just look at how Jinro improved. And look how he didn't qualify three times. XD Still, it'll certainly improve his play, but flying there then competing in a tournament shortly thereafter does not a top player make. | ||
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strength
United States493 Posts
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robertdinh
803 Posts
On November 08 2010 14:57 DaRkFrosT wrote: I have to disagree. Being in the Korean programing environment can really improve a player, TREMENDOUSLY. Just look at how Jinro improved. Yea jinro improved relative to what standards though? He still hasn't qualified for GSL, I certainly feel he is capable of doing so if he gets the right brackets and such, but he is also a terran player. As I said before the korean scene isn't very forgiving to PROTOSS, they tend to struggle in GSL, and have had diminishing representation in the later rounds. If Tester, Genius, Sangho, oGsInca have trouble, how do you think it's going to be for a player like incontrol? | ||
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Deltawolf
United States105 Posts
Conclusion: I wanna see a TLO sized iNcontrol when he comes back from Korea. He should be practicing THAT much SCII  | ||
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MythicalMage
1360 Posts
On November 08 2010 15:00 robertdinh wrote: Yea jinro improved relative to what standards though? He still hasn't qualified for GSL, I certainly feel he is capable of doing so if he gets the right brackets and such, but he is also a terran player. As I said before the korean scene isn't very forgiving to PROTOSS, they tend to struggle in GSL, and have had diminishing representation in the later rounds. I'd like to argue that there just aren't any good Protoss/the good ones have tough brackets. The top three had really tough brackets( Tester, ogsMC, and that guy who won Blizzcon who's name I forgot), all lost relatively quickly with Tester not eve qualifying. | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
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Denizen[9]
United States649 Posts
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robertdinh
803 Posts
On November 08 2010 15:03 MythicalMage wrote: I'd like to argue that there just aren't any good Protoss/the good ones have tough brackets. The top three had really tough brackets( Tester, ogsMC, and that guy who won Blizzcon who's name I forgot), all lost relatively quickly with Tester not eve qualifying. People can look for any type of argument they want, but the bottom line is in s1 there were 3 protoss in the ro8, zero advanced. In s2 there were 3 protoss in the ro16, 1 advanced to the ro8, and then did not advance any further. It's ok to see if people got unlucky or had bad showings or what not, but you shouldn't disregard the fact that the koreans may just be better at dealing with protoss and exploiting whatever weaknesses it may have. | ||
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MythicalMage
1360 Posts
On November 08 2010 15:04 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: Why are people even predicting if anyone can qualify as the current GSL setup qualification is about 90% luck of who is in your bracket and the rest is enough skill to make it through. I mean anyone on that list can qualify if they get a good enough bracket and the opposite is true. Any one of those people could easily wind up in a bracket of death and get knocked out by someone like Foxer Clide Rainbow.... That's really true, but I thought they were implementing some sort of seeding? Or was that a rumor? | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On November 08 2010 14:38 DaRkFrosT wrote: HuK Ret Haypro Jinro TLO idrA incontrol kiwikaki Select Who else? Wait was kiwikaki confirmed? | ||
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MythicalMage
1360 Posts
On November 08 2010 15:06 robertdinh wrote: People can look for any type of argument they want, but the bottom line is in s1 there were 3 protoss in the ro8, zero advanced. In s2 there were 3 protoss in the ro16, 1 advanced to the ro8, and then did not advance any further. It's ok to see if people got unlucky or had bad showings or what not, but you shouldn't disregard the fact that the koreans may just be better at dealing with protoss and exploiting whatever weaknesses it may have. Totally. But I think Protoss is also one of the most closed off races. You rarely see deviance from gateway units>Robo units> Templar units. So dealing with them becomes significantly easier as you can effectively blind counter them. | ||
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WeeKeong
United States282 Posts
On November 08 2010 15:06 MythicalMage wrote: That's really true, but I thought they were implementing some sort of seeding? Or was that a rumor? Would seeding matter? All the new foreigners would be unseeded and face against seeded people anyway. | ||
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MythicalMage
1360 Posts
On November 08 2010 15:09 WeeKeong wrote: Would seeding matter? All the new foreigners would be unseeded and face against seeded people anyway. Yeah, I suppose. Still some more organization would be nice. | ||
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sqrt
1210 Posts
On November 08 2010 14:33 tok wrote: I think anybody can make it far at gsl. Look at foxer, brand new player makes it all the way to grand finals. Anybody can go far with the right drive and practice. The more non-koreans at gsl the better. Hopefully someday gsl won't only be in korea so NA/EU people don't have to hide behind a huge travel budget. That would mean that we wouldn't need GSL and would have a pro-scene of our own...which judging by the increasing interest in e-sport in the west may not be as far as some people think. | ||
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
On November 08 2010 15:00 robertdinh wrote: Yea jinro improved relative to what standards though? He still hasn't qualified for GSL, I certainly feel he is capable of doing so if he gets the right brackets and such, but he is also a terran player. As I said before the korean scene isn't very forgiving to PROTOSS, they tend to struggle in GSL, and have had diminishing representation in the later rounds. If Tester, Genius, Sangho, oGsInca have trouble, how do you think it's going to be for a player like incontrol? Qualifying for GSL is so luck-based. Single Elimination Best of threes tell you next to nothing about player skill (See: Fruitdealer vs FoxeR and IdrA vs LotzePrime and Tester and Julyzerg losing in qualifiers). On November 08 2010 15:04 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: Why are people even predicting if anyone can qualify as the current GSL setup qualification is about 90% luck of who is in your bracket and the rest is enough skill to make it through. I mean anyone on that list can qualify if they get a good enough bracket and the opposite is true. Any one of those people could easily wind up in a bracket of death and get knocked out by someone like Foxer Clide Rainbow.... 100% agree. And Fruitdealer, Foxer, Clide, Rainbow, and Tester could all end up in the same bracket, giving a lot of other people 'free' tickets into the tournament. Stop predicting who will and won't make GSL. | ||
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Hikko
United States1126 Posts
On November 08 2010 15:06 MythicalMage wrote: That's really true, but I thought they were implementing some sort of seeding? Or was that a rumor? The entire point of these first 3 seasons is to create the seeds for the real tournament that hasn't happened yet. Anyone who makes it to the round of 8 each season is seeded for the big tournament. | ||
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