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On October 17 2010 09:37 leveller wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 09:31 vica wrote:
They are sued not for making hacks, but for selling hacks
"Developer accuses Canadian, Peruvian users of creating, selling maphacks and cheats for multiplayer real-time strategy game."
Blizzard couldn't care less if you hack their game just for fun, to learn how to hack and etc. But if you try to profit off their game, they will take legal action.
Another point, cheaters are people who use hacks, which hackers develop. Except most cheaters do not have the intelligence to actually use the hack, so hackers develop an interface that activates the hacks. Cheaters are to blame for any disturbances in a game community. Hackers usually hack for fun, like cracking Ubisoft's "uncrackable" solution. Other hackers do it just to distribute their software, or "for the community." Others, like these guys, hack to make a profit. Who cares why they hack. They are just curious little curtises? Go read a book instead of ruining my game.
Because those hackers have nothing to do with ruining your game? They make hacks for their own enjoyment. They do not distribute them to the community. They make them for experience and to learn. You're talking about completely different groups. Do not pretend their the same due to ignorance.
On October 17 2010 09:37 TheRabidDeer wrote:
I am not positive, but I dont think ALL of the people accused had sold, some just created and distributed which is just as big of an offense for the charges that blizzard has against them.
That's probably true, but there are only 3 people accused. I think Blizzard would have targeted more if it were against all hackers. Or maybe there were all in operation together. No one can be sure.
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On October 17 2010 09:45 vica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 09:37 leveller wrote:On October 17 2010 09:31 vica wrote:
They are sued not for making hacks, but for selling hacks
"Developer accuses Canadian, Peruvian users of creating, selling maphacks and cheats for multiplayer real-time strategy game."
Blizzard couldn't care less if you hack their game just for fun, to learn how to hack and etc. But if you try to profit off their game, they will take legal action.
Another point, cheaters are people who use hacks, which hackers develop. Except most cheaters do not have the intelligence to actually use the hack, so hackers develop an interface that activates the hacks. Cheaters are to blame for any disturbances in a game community. Hackers usually hack for fun, like cracking Ubisoft's "uncrackable" solution. Other hackers do it just to distribute their software, or "for the community." Others, like these guys, hack to make a profit. Who cares why they hack. They are just curious little curtises? Go read a book instead of ruining my game. Because those hackers have nothing to do with ruining your game? They make hacks for their own enjoyment. They do not distribute them to the community. They make them for experience and to learn. You're talking about completely different groups. Do not pretend their the same due to ignorance. Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 09:37 TheRabidDeer wrote:
I am not positive, but I dont think ALL of the people accused had sold, some just created and distributed which is just as big of an offense for the charges that blizzard has against them. That's probably true, but there are only 3 people accused. I think Blizzard would have targeted more if it were against all hackers. Or maybe there were all in operation together. No one can be sure.
Only 3 people were named, but there are others mentioned in the suit. I dont know what that actually means though. I imagine the 3 people acccused that you speak of are probably the ones that were selling though, and the others mentioned are the people that just created and distributed.
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Wow, gg. Blizzard fighting!
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Good to see blizzard taking a stance against those idiots.
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And blizzard said, "I will smite thy hackers with thy law suit"
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This is all my doing.
I finally upgraded +1 Blizzard brains  .
Nah but seriously, GJ Blizzard.
Those hackers deserve it!
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What if all they did was create the hacks and not use it themselves? Then they would not be bound by the EULA. Plus, this could turn into another one of those Americans thinking the entire world is theirs kind of thing with the programmers being overseas and all. I mean I love that they are trying to stop hackers, but I see very little they can do about them legally.
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so, I dont know much about the legal aspects, but can you sue people from other countries in American courts?
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Canada11607 Posts
I don't get all this defence of hackers that publically release their hacks. (I couldn't care less what you do on your personal computer as long as it stays there.)
These are not the freedom fighters of the net. They're ruining a game I payed for. Why should I cheer them on? These are the guys that when you come over to play a board game- Monopoly, Risk, Settlers of Catan- and throw the board to ground and burn up the cards and pieces.
I bought the game the guy is destroying and he's scaring away friends that would want to play. Which sucks, because I don't have a game and as it's reliant on other people playing, I'm left with a remnant of a game.
To cheer on hackers releasing their work is to cheer the guy as he's burning your board game. "Oh yeah! You show the Parker Bros, you show Klaus Teuber. Fight the machine! Oh wait, I don't have a game anymore."
I'm less interested in a hypothetical slippery slope because we can always revisit the ruling and make it more nuanced. But right now, there's some dude in my living room with a lighter in hand, eying my board game. (Not hyperbolic at all considering how overrun BW1.0 is with hacks.) And I'm not terribly interested in seeing his right to burn my board game override my right to own my board game in one piece.
Maybe it won't be stopped this way. But something needs to be done, and this is a valid method.
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because you can either hire people and spend your own money or you can make 85 million dollars and have the law on your side.
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4) Everybody should always be bound by the EULA, if there are issues in the future the EULA may need to be rewriten. BW is not losing in korea because of it, they are losing because of bad negotiations between gretech and kespa.
Are you fucking serious? No really, wtf?
EULA is in no way, shape or form a legally enforceable agreement. You have no bargaining power, you don't sign anything. How often have you even READ the terms of EULA's?
TOS is fine, since those are rules you need to agree to in order to use a service, similar to how a nightclub has a dress code and a right to refuse service to anyone. If you have however bought a piece of software, you don't need to agree to any additional agreements in order to use the software. Having it any other way is just wrong, wrong, wrong and completely insane.
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On October 16 2010 13:44 0neder wrote:
Blizzard you are awesome. Now just remove the depot/rax rule and nerf marauders and we'll all be fine. =)
I have a small feeling that it will get reverted in like 6 months when the metagame shifts and terran isn't too diverse early game compared to the other races.
it really seems like a band-aid fix
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It's cool as long as the rulings on them are in the correct scope.
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omg blizzard is actually doing somthing positive with their game woot ! boo on cheaters! they fail at life!
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I cant believe people are still defending these hackers. There is NO problem if you do it as a hobby and keep it to yourself. Not only would Blizzard not care enough to spend all the time, money, and effort to prosecute a bunch of difficult to prove isolated cases, they would be pretty much impossible to track down.
The guys named were distributing the products of their "harmless, innocent hobby". Otherwise, how could Blizzard find them without invading their privacy? Its not a personal hobby anymore when you start sharing your cheats with everyone online. Thats when it becomes operations that could possibly harm Blizzards profits. It also becomes something that ruins the gaming experience for the rest of us.
I dont understand the people attacking Blizzard for these actions. If its just a hobby, you will never be found because you can keep it to yourself. I dont know much about the whole idea of making other products through reverse engineering of predecessor software, but dont people currently make games using other people's engines (like that Amnesia game that came out recently)? I need to learn more about that issue though.
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Russian Federation32 Posts
Several months later, at the court:
Judge: Are you "Zynastor"?
Some guy: lol no
Judge: money transactions show that you were selling illegal software
Some guy: illegal? dunno. I downloaded something from Internet and sold it
Judge: you didn't write it?
Some guy: no
Judge: that software is againt Blizzard EULA, TOS, etc... of product called "Starcraft"
Some guy: I don't have that "Starcraft", I didn't agree with any eula, tos. etc... and I've never heard of Blizzard
Judge: then why did you sell it?
Some guy: cause people buy it
Judge: the case is closed.
Some guy: lol gg no re
Thats it, imho pure PR from Blizzard.
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On October 17 2010 09:34 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 09:31 vica wrote:
They are sued not for making hacks, but for selling hacks
"Developer accuses Canadian, Peruvian users of creating, selling maphacks and cheats for multiplayer real-time strategy game."
Blizzard couldn't care less if you hack their game just for fun, to learn how to hack and etc. But if you try to profit off their game, they will take legal action. Bolding a word does not really work when the word that is immediately before it goes against what you are saying. Example: "Developer accuses Canadian, Peruvian users of creating, selling maphacks and cheats for multiplayer real-time strategy game." Aside from that, you are quoting the title of the article instead of quotes from blizzard. I still side with Blizzard on this, but please... no hugely flawed arguments like this? It doesnt help the case at all.
I suggest you learn to read.
"Developer accuses Canadian, Peruvian users of creating, selling maphacks and cheats for multiplayer real-time strategy game."
I bolded the important part. The comma means and. If they were banning for people who ONLY created hacks, it would be "creating/selling maphacks" or "creating or selling maphacks."
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On October 17 2010 09:41 Skeyser wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 08:42 iopq wrote:
OK, guys, I could write some code on a webpage in plain text and then some months later blizzard will sue me. How far can you go with this? Sue people who discuss HOW to make hacks, even if they don't post a single line of code?
Yes, Blizzard is hurt financially by hacking. I understand going after people who offer paid subscriptions that continually update their hacks. I understand going after people who sell hacks. I don't understand how just writing a hack makes you be able to be sued. It's not the hack writer that hurts the community, it's the people who use them.
I guarantee you that hacks will be out there no matter what. Suing people who write them is a scare tactic reminiscent the tactics the RIAA and the MPAA use to try to dissuade people from downloading movies and music. Did you even read the OP, they WERE selling the hacks...
And if you ever kept up with Blizzard lawsuits (ie: Glider, Alyson Reeves) you'd realize they always went after people who were profiting off of Blizzard's IP.
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i think blizz did this to a few WOW hackers too. i wonder how that one ended up.
but on this issue i stand in favor of laying the hammer on those map hack makers.
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