EPTBlizzard sues Starcraft II hackers - Page 17
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tetracycloide
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JustPlay
United States211 Posts
On October 17 2010 22:03 Wolfpox wrote: It will easily go Blizzard's way after their BNETD and WoWGlider precedents. Knowing how ridiculously ignorant American courts usually are when it comes to videogames, this could go either way Even running an application is illegal under the stupid ruling from Blizzard vs MDY. I also don't see how using functions within windows to read another process' memory is going to be illegal. They should sue microsoft for providing an api to violate copyright law. The guys who were selling/distributing hacks deserve to go down on a lot of claims, but if that one person only posted code and did not release/sell hacks then they have no business including him in that. | ||
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blacktoss
United States121 Posts
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Synk
United States297 Posts
And according to http://www.gamethreat.net/forums/archives/44007-valiantchaos-maphack-1-0-3-1-07-posts-22.html you did CREATE and DISTRIBUTE hacks. I wouldn't be surprised if you charged money for it as well. Yea I have to agree, the posts in this forum are fucking disgusting. People actually think like this? They talk as if hacking is just part of the game and they are being completely competitive, what a bunch of tools. Hope Blizzard finds a way to take these guys down without fucking up the copyright laws too much, its obvious that these people cause harm to the video game industry as a whole so some kind of precedent needs to be set. Hopefully the courts realize that. | ||
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JustPlay
United States211 Posts
On October 18 2010 00:45 Synk wrote: "I don't own anything illegal the police should be able to search my property whenever they want." If you find this response to your post irrational then you are starting to understand how a lot of people see parts of these lawsuits. Yea I have to agree, the posts in this forum are fucking disgusting. People actually think like this? They talk as if hacking is just part of the game and they are being completely competitive, what a bunch of tools. Hope Blizzard finds a way to take these guys down without fucking up the copyright laws too much, its obvious that these people cause harm to the video game industry as a whole so some kind of precedent needs to be set. Hopefully the courts realize that. The reason people get up in arms is because there has to be a line. Selling hacks crosses the line for pretty much everyone. Using hacks in competitive games crosses the line for most people. Distributing hacks is where opinions start to blur. Simply messing around with exploiting/cheating doesn't cross the line for most people, especially when it doesn't involve a multiplayer component. I've created bots for MMOs. I've created hacks for single player games without achievements. I run a website right now that provides market data and an armory-like service for an MMO. It's gathered by a combination of bots and exactly what blizzard is suing for. I have a pretty big interest in law suits like this because as a hobby I provide a free service that the game provider is too cheap/lazy/ignorant to provide themselves. Nearly every single person who plays the game uses my site regularly and it was never created with the intention to harm the company or for me to profit. I don't even play the game. If I received a cease and desist I would immediately. I've never cheated in CS*, SC:BW, WC3:TFT, or SC2. I never will. I don't like cheating, but at the same time I have no issue with people who want to pursue reverse engineering games and coding cheats as a hobby. For me the line is crossed when it is distributed with the intent to cause damage or profit. *this one time while lanning with friends we used alternate steam accounts and joined random pubs because it was hilarious | ||
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Synk
United States297 Posts
But I think it needs to be clear in the law that any 3rd party modification of the game that gives you an unfair advantage can potentially be stopped with legal action. I know this can potentially target any add on in WoW for example but I think that it is completely at Blizzard discretion what is unfair or not as its in their best interest to promote fair play in their own game. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
That isn't a slippery slope. That is literally the exact case being rules here. Perhaps blizzard "might not ever use this power" in a way that hurts you. But you can sure bet other companies will, and personally, I have my doubts about blizzard too. | ||
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Qwix
531 Posts
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
Blizzard sues Starcraft I hackers! if only... And its surprising, when reading on KOTAKU, to see how many people say, "This is why I don't buy blizz games." Why would you want to play a game filled with hackers??? I still play starcraft I and bnet sucks!! hackers %50 of the time. I play it for the sake of starcraft but yeah, these people odnt make sense, and sounds suspicous | ||
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ueXia
9 Posts
Yeah, I'm from Peru .. and really disgusted with the way people handle stuff here. They will just waste hundreds of hundreds of hours to crack a game the would've probably bought by saving money one month. Of course, the game here can be described as $180 in your circumstances, so there's still that "they're stealing us!!" feeling going around in the air. 1 US dollar = 2.83 Nuevos Soles. You can find ANYTHING, EVERYTHING cracked here in Peru, in a single small place located close to our capital's downtown. It's hillarious! | ||
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Kaptein[konijn]
Netherlands110 Posts
On October 18 2010 00:40 blacktoss wrote: Guys, the crux of the argument is that the hack creators inflicted economic damage on Blizzard by ruining the online gaming experience. The argument does not crucially rely on draconian adherence to copyright. They breached the license and in doing so, as Blizzard claims anyway, they also caused loss of sales and customer dissatisfaction. If Blizzard can make a good case that this is true, then the economic argument together with the license breach is far more compelling than just "they broke our eula". I quoted this post to draw attention to it, because people need to stop crying about hackers RUINING the game being sued..... I applaud Blizzard for this action and I hope the ones responsible for destroying the fun in my game are going to be spending the rest of their natural fucking lifes paying off their debt. I have no pity for those digital drug-dealers. And these law suits aren't about who is right. Blizzard is a huge company that can keep suing until the defendant can't pay for his lawyer and needs to go for a settlement. That may not be relevant though, because Blizzard has a very strong, legit case that hacks are negatively influencing the SCII game experience, which leads to financial damages - sales decreases. They have every right to sue these nerds who lack any sense of morality. | ||
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rattus22
United States68 Posts
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Burban
48 Posts
On October 18 2010 04:03 rattus22 wrote: Whenever there is a chance for money, Activision is already there. Dont be stupid | ||
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Raji
United States31 Posts
On October 17 2010 21:29 Zrah wrote: Ruining those people lifes is fair because they ruined countless lifes of other people. It's same as drugs i don't see drug bosses when caught get slap on the wrist cos they only sold it never made it, they get life and so we should aim for capital punishment for these hackers aswell. Getting to meet cheaters online is like getting mugged irl just that you can't do anything to protect yourself. Really? REALLY? This has to be the single most retarded most idiotic post in this entire thread, and that's saying something. A Hacker ruined your life? What happened, did you loose one game on Bnet, then decide life was pointless, take a gun and kill your whole family? Maybe loosing that one game caused you to develop a heroic habit? Seriously where is your perspective? Loosing games on Bnet does not equate to someone getting sued or going to jail. | ||
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HDPhoenix
Singapore83 Posts
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Half
United States2554 Posts
Ruining those people lifes is fair because they ruined countless lifes of other people. Noones life is being ruined here. Unless canada plans to extradite a few hackers to cali for copyright infringement. | ||
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Gecko
United States519 Posts
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RyanRushia
United States2748 Posts
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
On October 18 2010 04:30 Raji wrote: Loosing games on Bnet does not equate to someone getting sued or going to jail. no it doesnt, but HACKING A GAME THAT IS NOT YOURS AND WAS NOT MADE BY YOU does. its simple, blizz is just protecting the well being of the game THEY DEVELOPED. hacking of any sort ruings the well being of that game. doesnt matter how small or how large they have every right to protect there game. even if its something as simple and insignificant as a map hack that only reveals the fog of war they still have the right to take legal action on u. hacking is not beneficial to the game, it can only harm the game and the ppl that play that game. and i dare u to prove even 1 way that hacking can help benefit the game in a positive way. | ||
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PaPoolee
Netherlands660 Posts
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