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Dwar3xwar
39 Posts
Good job. People like them are what makes this world a sad place . | ||
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leveller
Sweden1840 Posts
On October 17 2010 07:40 McFoo wrote: Hacker =/= cheater. The only reason Blizzard can have for doing this is scaring people from distributing/using hacks. In other words, they are going to ruin the lives of a few people just so they can control the rest. Like Stalin silencing dissidents so he can run his fascist regime:- and you guys are applauding. Tbh I hope these hackers are seen as martyrs in the hacker community and more people than ever make hacks just to show Blizzard that they can't get away with abusing their power like this. You who think that people's lives ought to be ruined for making hacks for video games need to take a step back and actually think about what's important. Comparing blizzard to stalin, are you creaeting godwins law II? Dude, I dont care if you call them reverse-engineers, hackers, cheaters... "He didnt make money, they said to not use hack on ladder, blablabla" They are ruining the game for us knowingly and we want to see them punished. I dont care about the semantics. | ||
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leveller
Sweden1840 Posts
On October 17 2010 08:42 iopq wrote: OK, guys, I could write some code on a webpage in plain text and then some months later blizzard will sue me. How far can you go with this? Sue people who discuss HOW to make hacks, even if they don't post a single line of code? Yes, Blizzard is hurt financially by hacking. I understand going after people who offer paid subscriptions that continually update their hacks. I understand going after people who sell hacks. I don't understand how just writing a hack makes you be able to be sued. It's not the hack writer that hurts the community, it's the people who use them. I guarantee you that hacks will be out there no matter what. Suing people who write them is a scare tactic reminiscent the tactics the RIAA and the MPAA use to try to dissuade people from downloading movies and music. Then they should STOP talking about how to make hacks. Is it so hard to hold your tongue? We dont want you to talk about it in the first place. Just dont. Stay away. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On October 17 2010 08:42 iopq wrote: OK, guys, I could write some code on a webpage in plain text and then some months later blizzard will sue me. How far can you go with this? Sue people who discuss HOW to make hacks, even if they don't post a single line of code? What a terrible slippery-slope argument. That is nothing remotely close to what is happening right now, so get some sense. The fact of the matter currently at hand is that someone wrote hacks to make money. Someone choose to consciously harm Blizzard's product, which they spent the time to make, for his own personal gain. Its immoral, no matter how you look at it. Nonsense about him saying not to use it in multilayer and whatnot is entirely irrelevant. It means nothing. On October 17 2010 07:40 McFoo wrote: Hacker =/= cheater. The only reason Blizzard can have for doing this is scaring people from distributing/using hacks. In other words, they are going to ruin the lives of a few people just so they can control the rest. Like Stalin silencing dissidents so he can run his fascist regime:- and you guys are applauding. Tbh I hope these hackers are seen as martyrs in the hacker community and more people than ever make hacks just to show Blizzard that they can't get away with abusing their power like this. You who think that people's lives ought to be ruined for making hacks for video games need to take a step back and actually think about what's important. They take a game someone else made. They write code based on that game so that people who pay money can ruin the experience for other players. Hacks hurt Blizzard's revenue. This isn't some tyrannical flex of power, this is Blizzard keeping their games enjoyable. A game community can be completely ruined by prevalence of hacks. It is in the best interest of the community that Blizzard do this. I mean really, if these idiots want to feel smart by hacking something, they should find something that doesn't have such obviously negative consequences on a huge group of people. They can try to pick at various security programs and submit exploits to developers. There are SO many other things that these guys can do. How interesting that they pick a place where they can make a huge profit off of it. Almost makes it seem like they do it for the money, considering how many other options they have. Other options which are much more admirable and could have a bigger impact on security. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
Hackers ruins the game for everyone. It's like if you buy a game, and the second level doesn't work. The company is suppose to fix it. And that's what Blizzard did. However, there is this nagging voice in the back of my mind. What if they start shutting things down like ICCUP? Blizzard already went after WoW private servers. Is the next step shutting down competitive leagues? The answer is probably no, but what if? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On October 17 2010 08:56 LSB wrote: However, there is this nagging voice in the back of my mind. What if they start shutting things down like ICCUP? Blizzard already went after WoW private servers. Is the next step shutting down competitive leagues? The answer is probably no, but what if? Blizzard endorses competitive leagues. Competitive leagues help the community. Competitive leagues build the player base and contribute to a game they are making. Hacks are on Blizzard's hit list because they are extremely negative. The two aren't comparable at all. | ||
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Rotodyne
United States2263 Posts
I'm sure people will argue hackers are unbeatable, but maybe Blizzard could have dumped a little extra money in that department. Does HoN have hacks? (actual question, not part of the argument) | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32165 Posts
On October 17 2010 07:40 McFoo wrote: Hacker =/= cheater. The only reason Blizzard can have for doing this is scaring people from distributing/using hacks. In other words, they are going to ruin the lives of a few people just so they can control the rest. Like Stalin silencing dissidents so he can run his fascist regime:- and you guys are applauding. Tbh I hope these hackers are seen as martyrs in the hacker community and more people than ever make hacks just to show Blizzard that they can't get away with abusing their power like this. You who think that people's lives ought to be ruined for making hacks for video games need to take a step back and actually think about what's important. This is the best post ggood stuff people are getting sued | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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Cri du Chat
Germany606 Posts
Down with the fucking cheaters. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On October 17 2010 08:58 Mohdoo wrote: Blizzard endorses competitive leagues. Competitive leagues help the community. Competitive leagues build the player base and contribute to a game they are making. Hacks are on Blizzard's hit list because they are extremely negative. The two aren't comparable at all. I've probably played too much Maplestory back in the day. NexonGlobal and Southperry had some trouble for a while. And Southperry clearly is a supportive community. Main problem Blizzard has with servers is that they allow playing the game without a CD-Key. It shouldn't be an issue I know, but Blizzard is getting serious about combating piracy. We are talking about the company that cut lan support, just so they could make their game less susceptible to pirates. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On October 17 2010 09:09 LSB wrote: I've probably played too much Maplestory back in the day. NexonGlobal and Southperry had some trouble for a while. And Southperry clearly is a supportive community. Main problem Blizzard has with servers is that they allow playing the game without a CD-Key. It shouldn't be an issue I know, but Blizzard is getting serious about combating piracy. We are talking about the company that cut lan support, just so they could make their game less susceptible to pirates. The reason Blizzard didn't include LAN was because according to Chinese courts, the fact that LAN made it so that you can play without a CD-key, made it so that hosting your own private servers isn't any worse. Basically "Since people can just play without a CD-key if they were on LAN, all that a private server does is allow more people to play together". And thus the only way for Blizzard to eliminate alternative Battle.net servers (Which were run by full-blown businesses that would CHARGE people to play on them, effectively making a ton of money from something they didn't make), was to take out LAN. But that is besides the point, lets please stick to hacks. As for what Blizzard could/should have done, I agree, but they gotta use what they got. They can severely hurt hacks by doing this sort of thing. Even if they know it won't erase hacks, if they can hurt em, why not, right? | ||
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Caltrop
Sweden34 Posts
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MichaelJLowell
United States610 Posts
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
"Developer accuses Canadian, Peruvian users of creating, selling maphacks and cheats for multiplayer real-time strategy game." Blizzard couldn't care less if you hack their game just for fun, to learn how to hack and etc. But if you try to profit off their game, they will take legal action. Another point, cheaters are people who use hacks, which hackers develop. Except most cheaters do not have the intelligence to actually use the hack, so hackers develop an interface that activates the hacks. Cheaters are to blame for any disturbances in a game community. Hackers usually hack for fun, like cracking Ubisoft's "uncrackable" solution. Other hackers do it just to distribute their software, or "for the community." Others, like these guys, hack to make a profit. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On October 17 2010 09:31 vica wrote: They are sued not for making hacks, but for selling hacks "Developer accuses Canadian, Peruvian users of creating, selling maphacks and cheats for multiplayer real-time strategy game." Blizzard couldn't care less if you hack their game just for fun, to learn how to hack and etc. But if you try to profit off their game, they will take legal action. Bolding a word does not really work when the word that is immediately before it goes against what you are saying. Example: "Developer accuses Canadian, Peruvian users of creating, selling maphacks and cheats for multiplayer real-time strategy game." Aside from that, you are quoting the title of the article instead of quotes from blizzard. I still side with Blizzard on this, but please... no hugely flawed arguments like this? It doesnt help the case at all. | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On October 17 2010 09:34 TheRabidDeer wrote: Bolding a word does not really work when the word that is immediately before it goes against what you are saying. Example: "Developer accuses Canadian, Peruvian users of creating, selling maphacks and cheats for multiplayer real-time strategy game." Aside from that, you are quoting the title of the article instead of quotes from blizzard. I still side with Blizzard on this, but please... no hugely flawed arguments like this? It doesnt help the case at all. LOL, they made the hacks, so they could sell it. What are you talking about? | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On October 17 2010 09:36 vica wrote: LOL, they made the hacks, so they could sell it. What are you talking about? I am not positive, but I dont think ALL of the people accused had sold, some just created and distributed which is just as big of an offense for the charges that blizzard has against them. | ||
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leveller
Sweden1840 Posts
On October 17 2010 09:31 vica wrote: They are sued not for making hacks, but for selling hacks "Developer accuses Canadian, Peruvian users of creating, selling maphacks and cheats for multiplayer real-time strategy game." Blizzard couldn't care less if you hack their game just for fun, to learn how to hack and etc. But if you try to profit off their game, they will take legal action. Another point, cheaters are people who use hacks, which hackers develop. Except most cheaters do not have the intelligence to actually use the hack, so hackers develop an interface that activates the hacks. Cheaters are to blame for any disturbances in a game community. Hackers usually hack for fun, like cracking Ubisoft's "uncrackable" solution. Other hackers do it just to distribute their software, or "for the community." Others, like these guys, hack to make a profit. Who cares why they hack. They are just curious little curtises? Go read a book instead of ruining my game. | ||
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Skeyser
Canada219 Posts
On October 17 2010 08:42 iopq wrote: OK, guys, I could write some code on a webpage in plain text and then some months later blizzard will sue me. How far can you go with this? Sue people who discuss HOW to make hacks, even if they don't post a single line of code? Yes, Blizzard is hurt financially by hacking. I understand going after people who offer paid subscriptions that continually update their hacks. I understand going after people who sell hacks. I don't understand how just writing a hack makes you be able to be sued. It's not the hack writer that hurts the community, it's the people who use them. I guarantee you that hacks will be out there no matter what. Suing people who write them is a scare tactic reminiscent the tactics the RIAA and the MPAA use to try to dissuade people from downloading movies and music. Did you even read the OP, they WERE selling the hacks... | ||
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