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Zero RDS
Canada104 Posts
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Winks
United States78 Posts
On October 17 2010 03:51 Zero RDS wrote: If they bought the game though... dont they get the rights to mod it? Not if it effects other players, hell fucking no. Let them cheat offline, sure. | ||
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Zero RDS
Canada104 Posts
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Winks
United States78 Posts
On October 17 2010 03:56 Zero RDS wrote: yeah, i guess... plus they were selling it online too right? so yeah i can see where the lawsuits came into play... just skeemed through the details but now i see why. Ya, selling it is an obvious no-no, but the real crime is stealing the game experience from honest players. Luckily, I suspect that the honest players will always vastly outnumber the hackers on SC2 so worst case scenario, you might run into a suspicious player like 1/500 games or something. My guess, though. I'd be interested to see a poll of how many people have encountered a hacker online themselves... people always scream about hackers on TL when they actually encounter one... no one chimes in to announce that they played 30 games today and didn't see any suspicious play. | ||
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Karkadinn
United States132 Posts
On October 17 2010 03:50 Winks wrote: What am I missing here? What is stopping Blizzard from hiring an insane team of expert hackers to keep their games hack proof? I'm no programmer, Obviously. | ||
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Winks
United States78 Posts
If it's so obvious then would you mind explaining it? I actually asked what I'm missing there. | ||
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MayorITC
Korea (South)798 Posts
On October 17 2010 04:20 Winks wrote: If it's so obvious then would you mind explaining it? I actually asked what I'm missing there. There's far more hackers on the outside who are willing to hack a game for free (initially) than people who can secure the game. | ||
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Phanekim
United States777 Posts
in the biological community where i work, diseases happen. if you stop the spread you win. diseases will always happen you are never ever gonna prevent it. even vaccines and treatments, but you can stop the spread and stop the severity. blizzard is doing this and hopefully winning merely by stopping spread. its still amusing to me that both sides claim victory. maybe cuz their objectives were completely different. hackers are comfortable just know they can break the code and others just dont want their competitive play disturbed. | ||
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Retsukage
United States1002 Posts
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shaunnn
Ireland1230 Posts
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megagoten
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driftme
United States360 Posts
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Rokit5
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starckr
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Blizzard also argues that the defendants are in breach of contract for violating numerous provisions of the EULA's prohibition on modifying SC2 code/creating hacks/etc. But defendants could claim that the EULA isn't really a "contract" because it is adhesive -- that is, they had no opportunity or bargaining power to negotiate the terms of the contract. Should defendants prevail, this would also eliminate the EULA's choice of law / jurisdiction / venue provisions, making it unlikely that Blizzard could successfully assert jurisdiction over the defendants in a California federal court. It would be cool to see this legal battle play out, but of course it won't. Defendants will almost surely not respond, Blizzard will enter default judgment, likely not even try to enforce it, and that will be the end of it. | ||
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Arkedo
United States95 Posts
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Tdelamay
Canada548 Posts
On October 17 2010 04:27 MayorITC wrote: There's far more hackers on the outside who are willing to hack a game for free (initially) than people who can secure the game. That is not the reason why Blizzard aren't adding more security to the game though. They stated that adding counter hack measure to the game would bog down the program for everyone else. As long as there aren't too many hackers, it's better not to harm the gameplay experience of unrelated players. There's also privacy issues related to detecting hacks. It was discussed in another thread that there is a maphack that is undetectable since it runs separately from the game. It would require a full system scan to detect those operation, and Blizzard isn't allowed to do that. So even if you had the team, you can't block every vulnerability in the game, because some of them are necessary for the normal gameplay. | ||
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imyzhang
Canada809 Posts
Sure hope they get put to justice. | ||
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okaygo
United States83 Posts
And this lawsuit also means that Blizzard controls KeSPA and all Esports too. | ||
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Capteone
United States197 Posts
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On October 17 2010 02:55 SaroDarksbane wrote: In my opinion, that makes you a worse person than the hackers. =/ Are you profiteering off a lumber yard if you make and sell furniture from the lumber you buy from them? Do they have a right to a cut of your profits? Should they sue? Under your definition, basically everything is profiteering. You have gotten to the point in the argument where you are ignoring key things that blizzard is suing for 1) They (the hackers) were making a profit 2) It was harming their own (blizzards) profits 3) It was reverse engineering with a malicious intent. It is one thing to reverse engineer, it is an entirely different thing when you reverse engineer with the intent to do harm. If there was some way that you could maliciously make furniture and cause the lumber yard to make less profit then you might have an argument. A gunsmith shouldn't be involved in a murder case because somebody used a gun to murder. Just like a coder shouldn't be involved in a hacking case because somebody decided to use a hack. I DO NOT SUPPORT FINANCIAL GAIN off the products, but some of the people named in the complaint only ever released source code to provide some education to those interested in reverse engineering or programming. Do you really think the money Blizzard is spending on lawyers is going to outweigh the money lost to hackers? They might as well spend that money on the hack prevention team to update Warden. You guys cheering obviously know nothing about IP rights or the claims made by Blizzard and how outrageous this is becoming in terms of protecting the end-user, and this wont stop hackers as if you actually read the court case you'd see that plenty of the defendants are John Does and will remain John Does because of the anonymity of the internet. You guys sicken me. And this lawsuit also means that Blizzard controls KeSPA and all Esports too. Gun makers sell their guns to shops that sell guns. If the shop is found to sell a gun to a murderer because they didnt do sufficient background checks then the shop is found liable and gets in huge trouble. You knew this, right? | ||
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