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That RAM thing is a joke right?
"The harm to Blizzard from Defendants' conduct is immediate, massive and irreparable," the suit claims. "By distributing the Hacks to the public, Defendants cause serious harm to the value of StarCraft II. Among other things, Defendants irreparably harm the ability of Blizzard's legitimate customers (i.e. those who purchase and use unmodified games) to enjoy and participate in the competitive online experience. That, in turn, causes users to grow dissatisfied with the game, lose interest in the game, and communicate that dissatisfaction, thereby resulting in lost sales of the game or 'add-on' packs and expansions thereto."
"Customers will get bored so we need to steal your money to make up for imaginary lost sales."
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On October 17 2010 00:26 kioskmongo wrote:That RAM thing is a joke right? Show nested quote +"The harm to Blizzard from Defendants' conduct is immediate, massive and irreparable," the suit claims. "By distributing the Hacks to the public, Defendants cause serious harm to the value of StarCraft II. Among other things, Defendants irreparably harm the ability of Blizzard's legitimate customers (i.e. those who purchase and use unmodified games) to enjoy and participate in the competitive online experience. That, in turn, causes users to grow dissatisfied with the game, lose interest in the game, and communicate that dissatisfaction, thereby resulting in lost sales of the game or 'add-on' packs and expansions thereto." "Customers will get bored so we need to steal your money to make up for imaginary lost sales."
Hackers make the online play frustrating and take the fun away for some players.
Those dissatisfied players stop playing and wont buy any more of the expansion games.
Those players could also tell their friends to not buy the game because the online community sucks.
Blizzard doesn't sell as much as they would have without those hackers.
Blizzard isn't "stealing" money from anyone. These are people who are disrupting the online play of Blizzard's game to make a profit.
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On October 17 2010 00:15 sulliwan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 00:00 Solai wrote:
How is that a "evil" angle? In any case, how do you think they should handle guys, who are leeching and profiteering of the game while simultaniously destroying it? I am glad that Blizz is coming down hard on them.
In any case: What what would such a "less evil solution" be? How would you stop hacking? It has implications for everyone who needs to reverse-engineer software for whatever reason. There are a lot of reasons why you would want to do that and setting a precedent where the software creator can sue you for it using a legal loophole is just wrong. How exactly are they profiteering from Blizzard's work? The hacks most likely don't have a single line in them for which Blizzard could claim any sort of ownership. It's like claiming that selling a document management system built on MS Office is "profiteering" from Microsoft's work. "Ruining the game" is of course horrible, however, it is not illegal and I see no reason why it should be. Blizzard has plenty of control to deal with it on a software level, instead of a legal level. A less evil solution would be to simply write the game in a way that it is much harder to hack. See for example how HoN prevents maphacking. Also maintaining Warden to detect hacks that are found spreading in the wild.
Your analogy is an interesting one, and one of the reasons why IP law generates so much debate about the kind of legal system we want to have.
But it's not, I think, the appropriate one for this situation. The problem here is not just that someone created a new work which employs the old work; someone created something that's interfering with everyone else's right to enjoy the old work. Imagine, for instance, that someone created a program that disabled, or changed, or interfered with, certain functionality in everyone else's copy of MS Office.
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Thank god.
LAY DOWN THE LAW ON THESE SUCKAS!
Hopefully everything works out, and these hackers get smoked....however the fact that these guys are all over the globe kinda doesn't help Blizzard's cause/fight...
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On October 16 2010 13:38 Live2Win wrote:
this is absolutely amazing.
I think I've heard of that name Zynastor before, definitely rings a bell somewhere, which is great if known names get hit hard by blizz law suits.
He made a MH for broodwar.
apperantly, it was a very good one.
I managed to find an old version that doesn't work anymore(game was patched since then), and you could select enemy's units in FOW, select buildings and see the construction time, auto mine, selecting up to 255 units, hotkeying those 200 units into the same hotkey, etc...
and that's with a simple google search.
what would people do without google?!
Also, i think revealing their actual real life names would be a much better result than any law suit.
I mean, who'd hire a programmer that's a known criminal?
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On October 16 2010 14:07 Aberu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 13:45 ArghUScaredMe wrote:
This is great but.. what jurisdiction does LA court have over Canada and Peru? Good luck having California state telling other countries to hand over the suspects for... not murder or terrorism, but video game map hacks.
I think it's more symbolic than practical. International copyright law, I'm sure they sell the game in Canada and Peru.
Im not sure what you mean by this, There is no International Copyright law. This is why several times hollywood has threatened to release movies 6 months later in Canada because of our lack copyright laws, and huge amount of pirating.
New legislation is coming into effect in the next couple of years for Canada, but as is, the US has no jurisdiction. Not to mention this is a civil lawsuit, it has nothing to do with criminal law and there is no extridition in civil claims.
As I said before, the only way they could make this stick is by requesting registration with Canadian civil courts, in which case if approved they could enforce it. Usually this process takes at least a year.
These lawsuits will never go through. The only reason I know this is because I do alot of merger/acquistion of companies in the US and I see lawsuits constantly from companies in the US who are having hostile takeovers/ bids from Canada, and/or damages claims from unfufilled contracts.(and Vice Versa, Canadians have to apply to register in the US as well)
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On October 17 2010 00:15 sulliwan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 00:00 Solai wrote:
How is that a "evil" angle? In any case, how do you think they should handle guys, who are leeching and profiteering of the game while simultaniously destroying it? I am glad that Blizz is coming down hard on them.
In any case: What what would such a "less evil solution" be? How would you stop hacking? It has implications for everyone who needs to reverse-engineer software for whatever reason. There are a lot of reasons why you would want to do that and setting a precedent where the software creator can sue you for it using a legal loophole is just wrong. How exactly are they profiteering from Blizzard's work? The hacks most likely don't have a single line in them for which Blizzard could claim any sort of ownership. It's like claiming that selling a document management system built on MS Office is "profiteering" from Microsoft's work. "Ruining the game" is of course horrible, however, it is not illegal and I see no reason why it should be. Blizzard has plenty of control to deal with it on a software level, instead of a legal level. A less evil solution would be to simply write the game in a way that it is much harder to hack. See for example how HoN prevents maphacking. Also maintaining Warden to detect hacks that are found spreading in the wild.
The profiteering comes simply into the play that if there was no SC2, they couldnt sell their hacks. So yes, they are profiteering of the game. And they are not selling their hacks just to see if they can hack SC2, they are doing it for profit and at Blizzards (and ours by destroying the game) expanses. So please stop pretending that those people are some sort of "Fight the power guys".
But yeah, I wish too that Warden would be more effective and that lawsuits would not be needed. As of now, it seems Blizard isn't that far yet and they have to stop the hacks at its roots.
All in all it reminds me very much on their lawsuit against the WoWglider guy, which they actually have won.
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I was getting skeptical about the hackers and the new battle.net but this is great stuff, no mercy for the wicked! <3 <3 <3
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That's epic win. Go Blizzard, should be very interesting, and scare the people trying to make hacks right now.
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Yes! I love you Blizzard! Someone need to teach these young phoney hackers the rules of real life and the consequences of such acts.
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On October 17 2010 00:40 WyghtWolf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 13:38 Live2Win wrote:
this is absolutely amazing.
I think I've heard of that name Zynastor before, definitely rings a bell somewhere, which is great if known names get hit hard by blizz law suits. He made a MH for broodwar. apperantly, it was a very good one. I managed to find an old version that doesn't work anymore(game was patched since then), and you could select enemy's units in FOW, select buildings and see the construction time, auto mine, selecting up to 255 units, hotkeying those 200 units into the same hotkey, etc... and that's with a simple google search. what would people do without google?! Also, i think revealing their actual real life names would be a much better result than any law suit. I mean, who'd hire a programmer that's a known criminal?
I think there's a lot more to it than that. I think there are some crazies out there that would do actual physical body harm to the guy. :/
Besides that, some of you are still missing the point. Read Darpa's posts again.
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Thats awesome :D Though the guy just HAS to be canadian :I
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From a legal perspective it will be interesting to see how this plays itself out. The article makes an interesting point asking what jurisdiction there is in this case. The user agreement has a venue clause stating disputes will be resolved in LA county but the three defendants are all international. My question is does the court have personal jurisdiction over the defendants? Will they need the cooperation of foreign governments? I have no idea honestly... This is probably why it's so hard for many companies to defend their intellectual property as the difficulties of the suit surely make it an expensive endeavor.
Then again, maybe Blizzard isn't after damages and wants an injunction for the sites to stop operating. The key word used in the article that signifies an injunction is 'irreparable harm.' I don't know how servers / internet works but maybe the court will grant them relief by having these sites banned? But then again, how does this prevent the same defendants to reopen another site under a different name? Hmmm...
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On October 17 2010 01:12 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2010 00:40 WyghtWolf wrote:On October 16 2010 13:38 Live2Win wrote:
this is absolutely amazing.
I think I've heard of that name Zynastor before, definitely rings a bell somewhere, which is great if known names get hit hard by blizz law suits. He made a MH for broodwar. apperantly, it was a very good one. I managed to find an old version that doesn't work anymore(game was patched since then), and you could select enemy's units in FOW, select buildings and see the construction time, auto mine, selecting up to 255 units, hotkeying those 200 units into the same hotkey, etc... and that's with a simple google search. what would people do without google?! Also, i think revealing their actual real life names would be a much better result than any law suit. I mean, who'd hire a programmer that's a known criminal? I think there's a lot more to it than that. I think there are some crazies out there that would do actual physical body harm to the guy. :/
< is one of them.
you know how toss and zerg players complain about terrans just needing to 1a-move into someone's base with they're entire army to win?
ever tried 1a-ing in BW? yeah, that's only like what, 12 units?
now try 1a-ing with 120 mutas, while the guy you're vsing can only use 12 units at a time.
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it's a good move from blizzard to go after the souce...but i fear there are always gonna be people making hacks....hope this doesn't piss off the hackers lol
would be epic battle between blizzard vs hackers
b.net 2.0 fail during blizzcon perhaps? lol
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On October 16 2010 15:46 Phanekim wrote:
"This won't stop any hacks from being developed. Nice try tho Blizzard.
I can't remember who Wiggly is, Dark_Mage I believe retired from making hacks some time ago and I have not sold or released anything.
This all seems nothing more than a joke to me. "
this is a recent response by zynastor. i wont post website. but he remains defiant.
LOL I think he's mad 
Good move from Blizzard
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On October 16 2010 17:01 Tekin wrote:
Damn Justice Hammer just did a 9000 damage on the hackers.
Pretty much OVER 9000!
But seriously, i don't understand how they can win this.. Those hackers did not sell a modified version of the game.. Only a c++ program they made.. And if the hack had a EULA of it's own, stating that using this program to modify or interfere with any copyrighted material îs not endorced, it shoul be bulletproof, i think..
Could be dead wrong, though..
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Awesome! This is great news. Not only do you need to ban hackers.. sue the source!! People who maphack and cheat are like theifs, complete scum of the earth.
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On October 16 2010 13:38 mikeymoo wrote:
Why do I recall hearing this in regards to WoW?
EDIT: Oh yeah, Zynastor sounds super familiar, can't put my finger on it.
Oblivion on BW. Dam guy made a hack that 90% of BW seemed to have.
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Even if this doesn't stop international hackers.. at least any future hackers living in the US will think twice before making any more hacks for Blizzard games.
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