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Burban
48 Posts
On October 16 2010 14:21 Ab0miNaTioN_BoB wrote: Yeah but what if they have to pay millions of dollars? I wouldnt mind even if they were sent to jail... As far as I'm concerned they should have their lifes totally ruined. But I dont think something like that will happen | ||
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MisterTea
United Kingdom1047 Posts
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On October 16 2010 20:28 Ashur wrote: Not all of them did this for money, they didn't even produced a binary that they could sell. So, writing and selling the code - maybe without some little/easy parts like GUI - should make you save? Because they didnt compile the binary themselves? I do believe you that some of them had no part in this (when you say so^^) but your argument seems to give too much leeway. On October 16 2010 20:28 Ashur wrote: Yeah, its a hobby. You play SC2, they reverse engineer. Leave it to the court if its legal or not, each case is different. I agree with you  On October 16 2010 20:28 Ashur wrote: Well, I could be on that list too. I agree with you that profiting is not okay in this case, but on the other hand I don't see a problem with reading memory on RAM I had bought. Again I agree with you. Reading the RAM should be ok. Even reverse engineering. I, personally, would also be ok if you use your hack. The problem starts when you distribute your work. And even more when you start to profit from it. | ||
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Tef
Sweden443 Posts
On October 16 2010 21:36 Ashur wrote: http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/california/cacdce/8:2010cv01495/483953/1/ I was not referring to it being legal or not. If you reverse engineer and never make anything public Blizzard will not know, care or act upon it. And if the hack is never used live in the game nobody will know or care. | ||
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
Money hungry blizzard is not the blizzard we used to know | ||
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Alou
United States3748 Posts
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Wire
United States494 Posts
The harm to Blizzard from Defendants' conduct is immediate, massive and irreparable but not "terrible, terrible" =/ i do not apporve of the descriptive adjectives however, nice move by blizzard gogo | ||
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sulliwan
85 Posts
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
On October 16 2010 13:40 FlashDaCard wrote: Long live blizzard, they are not letting StarCraft II become like WarCraft 3, where 50% of B.net hacks. Cant wait to see the results of this. Question here is, why did they let WC3 go down the road it eventually did? Sad. But anyway, glad to see that they're (finally) taking some legit actions against this bullshit called hacking. Was hoping they'd done more action earlier though, Wc3 Bnet laddering is completely ruined : ( | ||
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Hold-Lurker
United States403 Posts
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RxN
United States255 Posts
On October 16 2010 13:50 Damnesiac wrote: REALLY REALLY hate the direction intellectual property and copyright law is headed in the US. Just because you used their product to get money doesn't make that your money *KeSPA nods* If so the creators of programming languages would be the richest people on the planet Yes, we should head down the Chinese route instead, where what's yours is mine and I'm free to profit off your work. | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
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Solai
204 Posts
On October 16 2010 23:27 sulliwan wrote: Subverting basic rights to tinker and reverse-engineer with EULA is NOT fine. The ends do not justify the means. This legal tactic from Blizzard is just pure evil. I am rather sure they would be able to pursue this case from some other less evil angle. How is that a "evil" angle? In any case, how do you think they should handle guys, who are leeching and profiteering of the game while simultaniously destroying it? I am glad that Blizz is coming down hard on them. In any case: What what would such a "less evil solution" be? How would you stop hacking? | ||
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QueueQueue
Canada1000 Posts
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Aoi_10
United States155 Posts
On October 16 2010 23:21 Wire wrote: but not "terrible, terrible" =/ i do not apporve of the descriptive adjectives however, nice move by blizzard gogo That language has particular legal meaning - it relates to the ability of a plaintiff (here, Bliz) to ask the court to force someone to stop doing something sooner, rather than just awarding damages later. | ||
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
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sulliwan
85 Posts
On October 17 2010 00:00 Solai wrote: How is that a "evil" angle? In any case, how do you think they should handle guys, who are leeching and profiteering of the game while simultaniously destroying it? I am glad that Blizz is coming down hard on them. In any case: What what would such a "less evil solution" be? How would you stop hacking? It has implications for everyone who needs to reverse-engineer software for whatever reason. There are a lot of reasons why you would want to do that and setting a precedent where the software creator can sue you for it using a legal loophole is just wrong. How exactly are they profiteering from Blizzard's work? The hacks most likely don't have a single line in them for which Blizzard could claim any sort of ownership. It's like claiming that selling a document management system built on MS Office is "profiteering" from Microsoft's work. "Ruining the game" is of course horrible, however, it is not illegal and I see no reason why it should be. Blizzard has plenty of control to deal with it on a software level, instead of a legal level. A less evil solution would be to simply write the game in a way that it is much harder to hack. See for example how HoN prevents maphacking. Also maintaining Warden to detect hacks that are found spreading in the wild. | ||
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
<3 blizzard for this... now we just need chat channels and everything is glorious. | ||
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Aoi_10
United States155 Posts
On October 17 2010 00:12 Glasse wrote: the thing some of you seem to not realize is that they are only doing this for the money, not for the players. If they wanted they could just ban the cheaters much more efficiently instead of suing hackers for making the hacks. Yes and no. At bottom, pretty much the only reason any for-profit corporation does anything is for money. It's pretty unlikely that they will recover from these particular defendants as much money as they pay to pursue the suit. But if it serves to discourage others, then maybe they (and we?) will come out ahead. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
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