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On October 16 2010 18:38 okaygo wrote:
This is disturbing news, this does nothing against stopping hackers, it's just a big corporation simply going after some poor college kids. The fact that there is ANY grounds to sue is ridiculous, people should have rights to protect them from this kind of situation. Some of these guys named are my friends and I hope to god they are going to be safe. Not that I support hacking in SC2, but the way blizzard is handling this is ALL WRONG. They have a very powerful tool, Warden at their disposal and instead of utilizing it, they just try to push people around using money. This won't stop cheaters, there will always be cheaters as long as blizzard doesn't do a good job fixing the holes in their game. As a player, I'm not worried about them either. If someones going to maphack against me, and I find out, I'll report them. Not going to lose sleep over something so stupid as a game. But these guys, now they have to fear for being in debt to a corporation for having a hobby of reverse engineering and programming, combined with a taste in game hacking. These guys aren't hackers, they are coders. As a programmer myself, this is scary.
My problem with them is not that they are do it for fun but that they make money out of it. They have broken the agreement and Blizzard has all the rights to do this.
If you think the laws are bad, change the laws. Don't blame the ones making use of the existing laws.
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On October 16 2010 18:38 okaygo wrote:
But these guys, now they have to fear for being in debt to a corporation for having a hobby of reverse engineering and programming, combined with a taste in game hacking. These guys aren't hackers, they are coders. As a programmer myself, this is scary.
How can you have a taste for hacking, distribute hacks and reverse engineer games to give advantages to people and not be a hacker? Your friends need to rethink what they are doing and why they are doing it.
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On October 16 2010 18:38 okaygo wrote:
This is disturbing news, this does nothing against stopping hackers, it's just a big corporation simply going after some poor college kids. The fact that there is ANY grounds to sue is ridiculous, people should have rights to protect them from this kind of situation. Some of these guys named are my friends and I hope to god they are going to be safe. Not that I support hacking in SC2, but the way blizzard is handling this is ALL WRONG. They have a very powerful tool, Warden at their disposal and instead of utilizing it, they just try to push people around using money. This won't stop cheaters, there will always be cheaters as long as blizzard doesn't do a good job fixing the holes in their game. As a player, I'm not worried about them either. If someones going to maphack against me, and I find out, I'll report them. Not going to lose sleep over something so stupid as a game. But these guys, now they have to fear for being in debt to a corporation for having a hobby of reverse engineering and programming, combined with a taste in game hacking. These guys aren't hackers, they are coders. As a programmer myself, this is scary.
sorry, but that's just a werid point of view.
those guys are damagin the SC2 scene. when they just programmes a hack and never gave it to anyone, i don't think blizzard would've found out.
The guys sued obviously sold or distributed their hacks, and therefore are kicking every ligitimate player in the nuts.
I'm not entirely sure how i feel about blizzards attempts, but I think i like it. hackers will be scared to use hacks, and programmers won't even bother to develope hacks. it's a new approach on dealing with hacks and if it works i'm happy.
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Going right at these hacker distributers also benefits the BW scene too. Zynastor makes the infamous Oblivion hack (to my knowledge, or greatly contributes to it)
They finally get what they deserve after years of making hacks. Thank god
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I am so proud of Blizzard into doing this. Makes me wanna hug the employees responsible of this.
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Thank you blizzard. But...
Modern warfare 2 on pc is unplayable because of cheaters, and nothing is being done about that...
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On October 16 2010 18:38 okaygo wrote:
This is disturbing news, this does nothing against stopping hackers, it's just a big corporation simply going after some poor college kids.
Eh, those poor college kids are the hackers. You stop those you stop the hackers.
The fact that there is ANY grounds to sue is ridiculous, people should have rights to protect them from this kind of situation.
Sure, people should have rights but so should companies. If you violate the companies rights you should be liable for law-suits.
Some of these guys named are my friends and I hope to god they are going to be safe.
I don't wish these people injury or anything, but I do hope they will have to pay some massive fines towards blizzard.
This won't stop cheaters, there will always be cheaters as long as blizzard doesn't do a good job fixing the holes in their game.
That wont stop cheaters either, was a nice thread about this earlier. But they can make it really hard to hack limiting the number of people able to create hacks. If they then crack down on some of these people they might actually be ably to reduce the hacks in-game.
But these guys, now they have to fear for being in debt to a corporation for having a hobby of reverse engineering and programming, combined with a taste in game hacking. These guys aren't hackers, they are coders. As a programmer myself, this is scary.
I have a hobby burning things up, weekend I like going out on town and setting fire to some cars, now I got the police after me and I think this is so unfair. I am just a poor guy who like fire and who is enjoying my hobby. <jk>
See what I did there? Nothing you said take into account that what they are doing are wrong and hurts blizzard and the people playing this game legit.
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AWESOMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Now clean US East plz.
Bam bam headshot Zynastor, that's for giving Oblivion to all the idiots who have ruined this game.
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On October 16 2010 19:16 Zakka wrote:
Thank you blizzard. But...
Modern warfare 2 on pc is unplayable because of cheaters, and nothing is being done about that...
Thats simply becouse of the IWnet, Activision has actually nothing to catch cheaters. Its a bad idea from the start
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...And Justice For all
Great news i hate cheaters :D
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On October 16 2010 14:16 Reborn8u wrote:
Lawyers > Hackers
On October 16 2010 16:42 s.a.y wrote:
lol zynastor.
justice is served
They don't know Zynastor's real name. However they know the name of three other bad guys. I am unsure what they can do against non US citizen, but I think that there is not much they can do. Afaik the disassembling is legal in EU, no matter what EULA say (which is on the other hand international I know)
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On October 16 2010 13:43 Combine wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 13:41 Alphaes wrote:
Blizzard sure likes to sue people; didn't they recently sue some person selling stuff in their private WoW server? Yeah, they sued some girl like 85 million dollars for running a private server and selling stuff off it.
I know this is from the first page but that "girl" was a woman that earned millions by charging people to play on her private servers. She deserved to be ruined financially just like those that provide hacks that ruin the game experience for the rest of us.
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Good Job Blizzard!
Blizz is marketing it very clear that this game will have no holes in it and this will be the most competitive esports game out there.
Bring down the hammer
Also, you would have heard of Zynastor if you even diped into the hacking community
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I really hope this discouages hackers from messing with Starcraft! Damn random noobs.
..but going after a couple og kids isn't really the way to do anything about hacking. I really don't care if they proclame themselves as "programmers" or "coders"..they still fuck everything up on their free time. I'm tired of the juvenile hacking disguised as political anarchy BS.
Canada won't extradite canadiens to the US for hacking a game..I highly doubt it.
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On October 16 2010 18:38 okaygo wrote:
This is disturbing news, this does nothing against stopping hackers, it's just a big corporation simply going after some poor college kids. The fact that there is ANY grounds to sue is ridiculous, people should have rights to protect them from this kind of situation. Some of these guys named are my friends and I hope to god they are going to be safe. Not that I support hacking in SC2, but the way blizzard is handling this is ALL WRONG. They have a very powerful tool, Warden at their disposal and instead of utilizing it, they just try to push people around using money. This won't stop cheaters, there will always be cheaters as long as blizzard doesn't do a good job fixing the holes in their game. As a player, I'm not worried about them either. If someones going to maphack against me, and I find out, I'll report them. Not going to lose sleep over something so stupid as a game. But these guys, now they have to fear for being in debt to a corporation for having a hobby of reverse engineering and programming, combined with a taste in game hacking. These guys aren't hackers, they are coders. As a programmer myself, this is scary.
Yes, Warden is obviously the key to this problem, seeing as its doing such a great job preventing hackers as it is...(/sarcasm for the completely clueless). You realize that Blizzard cant quite do everything they want with Warden because going too far would risk breaching privacy laws?
Let me put it to you straight. I dont care if youre friends with these guys, look at this situation objectively. Your friends are trying to ruin the game for others by proliferating cheats among the SC population. This is bad enough as it is, but they go even further to try to make money off of it. You call these guys "poor college kids"? You call this "having a hobby of reverse engineering"? First of all, there already may be legality issues with reverse engineering software. Second of all, its already clearly for a malicious purpose. If it was truly a hobby, they would just keep it to themselves. The fact that you're trying to defend the idea of profiting off of cheating is disgusting.
Oh and this kind of action will definitely stop some hackers from hacking. As you said so yourself, you find this scary. The idea of having to spend thousands of dollars on lawyers to defend myself in court with all my student loans outstanding is also a scary idea to me. Knowing this, even if I knew how to make hacks for SC2, I sure as hell wont fuck with BlizzardActivision. Would you?
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On October 16 2010 20:20 Supamang wrote:
Your friends are trying to ruin the game for others by proliferating cheats among the SC population. This is bad enough as it is, but they go even further to try to make money off of it. You call these guys "poor college kids"?
Not all of them did this for money, they didn't even produced a binary that they could sell.
On October 16 2010 20:20 Supamang wrote:
You call this "having a hobby of reverse engineering"? First of all, there already may be legality issues with reverse engineering software.
Yeah, its a hobby. You play SC2, they reverse engineer. Leave it to the court if its legal or not, each case is different.
On October 16 2010 20:20 Supamang wrote:
Second of all, its already clearly for a malicious purpose. If it was truly a hobby, they would just keep it to themselves. The fact that you're trying to defend the idea of profiting off of cheating is disgusting.
Well, I could be on that list too. I agree with you that profiting is not okay in this case, but on the other hand I don't see a problem with reading memory on RAM I had bought.
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I really think a Blizzard motivational is in order for this.
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You can reverse engineer all day long, I do it all the time in my work, almost every programmer does it to some extent. But as soon as you release a public program that utilize the knowledge you gained from reverse engineering and that in the hands of another player can ruin the game experience for all other players, it's a different story.
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On October 16 2010 15:46 Phanekim wrote:
"This won't stop any hacks from being developed. Nice try tho Blizzard.
I can't remember who Wiggly is, Dark_Mage I believe retired from making hacks some time ago and I have not sold or released anything.
This all seems nothing more than a joke to me. "
this is a recent response by zynastor. i wont post website. but he remains defiant.
I disagree. Suppose you're one of those people who are into creating hacks for popular games... you've got a dozen or so newer games to choose from. Are you going to pick the one game that's by a company that will sue you if the hack gets popular?
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On October 16 2010 21:29 Chocobo wrote:
I disagree. Suppose you're one of those people who are into creating hacks for popular games... you've got a dozen or so newer games to choose from. Are you going to pick the one game that's by a company that will sue you if the hack gets popular?
Go to the hacker IRC, you will find that they are having fun of those guys and they continue coding their stuff (atm on the forge is the white rectangle [trapezoid] of the camera on the minimap). This won't stop anybody from making hacks. This is nothing to do if the game is from Blizzard or not, there are hackers for every popular game.
On October 16 2010 21:14 Tef wrote:
You can reverse engineer all day long, I do it all the time in my work, almost every programmer does it to some extent. But as soon as you release a public program that utilize the knowledge you gained from reverse engineering and that in the hands of another player can ruin the game experience for all other players, it's a different story.
http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/california/cacdce/8:2010cv01495/483953/1/
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