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Overswarm
Profile Joined August 2010
United States62 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-29 13:07:35
September 07 2010 16:29 GMT
#1
Entrants so far:

ZvP

Jeeneeus


Part 1:

Part 2:


ZvT

ZvZ

Video Commentary Contest

Prize: $33 per race (~$100 total)

Contest: Be the best video commentator on my replays out of all the entrants, as decided by me. (ZvT, ZvP, ZvZ)

What I'm looking for:

- Advice. Just commenting on how the match goes is nothing. This is to improve my play and plug holes in my game.
- Entertainment. It's gotta be fun to watch, or it's pointless.
- Knowledge. If you don't know what you're talking about or you're just saying common knowledge, why listen to you over someone else?
- Good replay choice. I've uploaded several replays for each race, some are good and some are meh. Choosing the right replay is part of the test.

What you do:

1) Download the replay pack from 2shared or from my own personal web space.

2) Choose a replay from the race of your choice (you can enter for all three races separately)

3) Record yourself talking while the replay is going. Choose the right things to look at, what to say, and when to say it.

4) Upload to Youtube a video of one of my replays with your audio commentary. (I may request you to send me a copy of the video file, but that is not necessary for the contest)

5) Submit your entry to the contest by PMing me or applying in the thread!



Questions:

How long do I have to do this?

Until Halloween! Oct. 31st is the cutoff date. I want to get this done before any new patches hit, ya know.

Can I win for multiple races?

Yes sir or madam. Just put in an entry and you're qualified to win.

How will you pay me?

Paypal or via mailed check, whichever is most convenient for you. I'm flexible.

How do I know you'll pay me?

You don't! You'll just have to trust me.

To ease your fears, here's some info about me:

My name is Evan Downing and I currently am working for MLG; I do freelance writing things for them on the side and cover Super Smash Brothers Brawl for their events. Feel free to say hello to me in D.C. or Dallas. I'll be looking like the guy on the right of this picture:

[image loading]


My handle is Overswarm, and I've played both Halo and Super Smash Brothers competitively. Searching my name in Youtube should lead you to some videos of me playing either, or perhaps some tutorial videos.

Please note this contest is not in any way shape or form endorsed by MLG; this is a straight up Overswarm thing.

I'm also no stranger to contests. I gave a woot.com t-shirt and white GC controller to the guy who beat Part 1game/]this puzzle I created[/url].

Can I comment on other people's entries?

Go for it, on Youtube or here. Just be civil and remember that anyone doing this could get good at this with the right support.

I'm (a big name) / not good at Starcraft 2 / I'm 12 years old and what is this, am I eligible for your contest?

Hell yeah, go for it. I don't care if you're Day9 or a korean with broken english. Everyone has an equal shot. Even the worst SC2 players might have some knowledge behind them. If you do a good job, you do a good job.

Can I enter with a friend?

Sure, if you want to do the "two commentator" thing. Just know your prize will be split.

NOTE
If a race does not get at least FIVE entries before the 31st, that contest is null and void. I don't mind handing out money for silly things like this, but I'm not giving someone prize money if they only had one person to compete with. Get your friends to do some too if no one else is doing your race.

--------------------------------------

Look at each and every replay of mine, pick out their favorites, then record them with their own commentary. The goal here would be to point out improvements, flaws in my build, errors in my opponent's play that I took advantage of, and other things that aren't entirely obvious that I should be paying attention to. Maybe my worker count is too low? Maybe I would have died if my opponent had attacked because I powered drones too early?

Upload the Commentary videos to Youtube and post their submissions in the forum thread and/or PM me. After I got enough entires and it's been enough time (I'd want at least 5 entries before ending it), I'd go through those commentary videos and pick a winner, then send them $33 bucks.


http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/905290/1/Overswarm/
^ my profile for those interested in snooping
Part 1
schiznak
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia258 Posts
September 07 2010 16:37 GMT
#2
the problem with most of the constructive criticism given by the majority of TL-ers is its limited to

-use nydus / drops
-copy dimagas build more closely
-you need a bigger army

I can tell you those things for free
"That's very e-sports of you to have the camera focused on the people instead of the game" -ultradavid
TheFlyingZerg
Profile Joined August 2010
98 Posts
September 07 2010 16:41 GMT
#3
I think if you're going to do this, you should upload one of each matchup and have everyone compete on the same replay.

This way you can effectively judge the validity and usefulness of the comments on the same criteria.... if you let people pick different replays, its not an even playing field.
ThE.SparkZ
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States381 Posts
September 07 2010 16:44 GMT
#4
Paypal and i'll do this today bro :3
A battle between gods is just so damn beautiful
DTown
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States428 Posts
September 07 2010 16:45 GMT
#5
I think that you should have a separate competition for each matchup, ZvT, ZvP, and ZvZ and send $33.33 to the winner of each. Some people for example, may play P and therefore be able to give you helpful insights into the ZvP matchup, but sound like a blubbering fool in the ZvZ matchup.
Baituri
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1501 Posts
September 07 2010 16:48 GMT
#6
I would say, just ask someone with knowledge (The guys from gosucoaching, day9, etc.) and ask 1 of them to do it for you. You are only getting comments on 3 replays, but you know they are high quality ones.
Uranium
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1077 Posts
September 07 2010 16:48 GMT
#7
If everyone can pick from the same replay pool, and the picks are non-exclusive, then it is an even playing field.

I play Z in Diamond league and I have a slightly better ratio than the OP (I'm 69-59 right now I believe) so I'd be willing to take a shot at this. Up your reps and I'm on it. Oh yeah I could really use $33 right now too lol
"Sentry imba! You see? YOU SEE??!!" - Sen | "Marauder die die!" - oGsMC | "Oh my god, she texted me back!" - Day[9]
MLG_Wiggin
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States767 Posts
September 07 2010 16:56 GMT
#8
This is actually pretty interesting. I'd be happy to take a look at some replays.
@DBWiggin, SC2 ref
FullFrayDog
Profile Joined July 2010
United States10 Posts
September 07 2010 17:48 GMT
#9
It's a cool idea, and while I play Z there's no way I'm going to start trying to commentate and improve someone's game while there are so many holes in my own.

That $100 may be better served by using it at gosucoaching as someone all ready mentioned. Lot of top tier (read: e-famous) players there with a lot more knowledge and skill than the average TL'er
Overswarm
Profile Joined August 2010
United States62 Posts
September 07 2010 18:32 GMT
#10
On September 08 2010 01:41 TheFlyingZerg wrote:
I think if you're going to do this, you should upload one of each matchup and have everyone compete on the same replay.

This way you can effectively judge the validity and usefulness of the comments on the same criteria.... if you let people pick different replays, its not an even playing field.


Part of the reasoning for this is that I'm basically paying someone to do this, but $100 for 3 replays would be ridiculous... but $100 for like, 30 or 40 or 50? That's kind of a deal!

Plus, a good player will be able to pick replays that are worth something. I'll try to give a brief synopsis of each with a "I win / I lose" at the end so players don't have to watch ALL of them.

I know that there are much better players out there that do this, but me improving myself is about half of this. I also want to grow the community; it'd be awesome if big names or big commentators like Day9 did some of these, but they'd be competing with everyone else!

I agree with the idea of having separate competitions for each race matchup.I'll do separate ones for each with like $35 prizes for each.


Do you guys think people should be able to enter multiple times? This is obviously better for me, I'm unsure if you feel this would be unfair.
santoki
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States107 Posts
September 07 2010 18:35 GMT
#11
i think this is pretty brilliant. Even if there's only 1 winner he gets the benefit of every submission. If he limits it to only 3 replays/matchups then he wouldnt get the variety of commentaries and comments. 100$ for a bunch of people giving you comments etc. isn't too bad. of course the coaching thing might be better but this sounds more fun :D. And plus, im sure a crappy player who lurks forums 24/7 could provide better analysis than the top players. I wouldnt really say analysis but rather getting your points across. If you've ever played a sport or coached a sport, you can say all the right things and be precise and deep and analytical but if you cant get the person to understand, its pointless. Hey if 100 bucks doesnt mean much to you then by all means do it :D
Overswarm
Profile Joined August 2010
United States62 Posts
September 07 2010 18:52 GMT
#12
The only things holding me back at the moment are

1) I'm at work. Can't start this at work

2) I need to get the replays! I have some, but would need a collection. Not sure how many I'd want. Maybe 5 of each matchup so there is variety?

3) How do I send the money? Is there a "best" way? I've only used Paypal for ebay, I guess I could make a "business account" for this or something if that's how it works. Haven't researched much into it. Does anyone know if there would be issues sending the money overseas?
Pibacc
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada545 Posts
September 07 2010 19:00 GMT
#13
if you're willing to spend 100$ on something like this, why not consider the gosu guide or w/e it's called. it's 100$ and apparently will be updated with new strats etc. all the time.
Overswarm
Profile Joined August 2010
United States62 Posts
September 07 2010 19:18 GMT
#14
On September 08 2010 04:00 Pibacc wrote:
if you're willing to spend 100$ on something like this, why not consider the gosu guide or w/e it's called. it's 100$ and apparently will be updated with new strats etc. all the time.


I don't know exactly what the Gosu guide is, but this is waaaaaaay more fun. Plus, other people can see my games, see commentary on them, then improve themselves!

And people that have always wanted to do commentary get to do it and maybe make a name for themselves. There could be another day9 out there... but for improving your game!

Just spending $100 on some gosu guide or whatever doesn't sound like much fun. Yeah, I'd improve, but it wouldn't be nearly as neat. If this works out I might do it more than once anyway ^_^


I might do the gosu guide if I one day have more time and/or care more and/or know what it actually is, but this project is as interesting as the concept of improving itself ^_^
frazz
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden15 Posts
September 07 2010 19:23 GMT
#15
Someone said earlier that there should only be one replay of each matchup. I don't agree with that, because with about 5 videos you get to see his common mistakes, and not only the mistakes he does
in that particular replay you picked. Why not commentate all five in one video? Would probably make it easier for you to win.
Overswarm
Profile Joined August 2010
United States62 Posts
September 07 2010 23:08 GMT
#16
On September 08 2010 04:23 frazz wrote:
Someone said earlier that there should only be one replay of each matchup. I don't agree with that, because with about 5 videos you get to see his common mistakes, and not only the mistakes he does
in that particular replay you picked. Why not commentate all five in one video? Would probably make it easier for you to win.


I don't know if having one video with all of them together would be the best plan; I definitely will be doing three separate contests now.
Kage
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
India788 Posts
September 07 2010 23:47 GMT
#17
Sounds good I'm looking forward to it. Send in the replays!
illumination
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)248 Posts
September 07 2010 23:51 GMT
#18
although i laugh at people paying to improve at this game gosucoaching would be a much much wiser investment for improving the game.
Welcome to TL - Where Terran have been teaching the Zerg / Toss pros how to play since Patch 11
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
September 07 2010 23:58 GMT
#19
Sounds really interesting. I was thinking of getting into streaming/casting and this would be an interesting event.

Also, paypal is the best way to transfer money imo.
Official Entusman #21
trapt
Profile Joined April 2010
31 Posts
September 08 2010 02:05 GMT
#20
You take text entries?!?
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